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Where can I find a inexpensive set of stereo speakers I can connect to my 55" LED Vizio M series thru its RCA out? Using this method will I be able to control the volume with the Vizio TV remote. They need to have there own power supply?
Edited by Oliver Dubin - 11/3/13 at 5:38pm
post #5162 of 8749
Camui,
Make sure you are looking at settings for TVs <65in.
post #5163 of 8749
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Originally Posted by hidaven View Post

Anyone have the 801-a3r ? Is the screen the mirror one like the 64 inch or is it more matte? I'm reading its the same clear glass with no matte

It's more matte I have this model.
post #5164 of 8749
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Originally Posted by Padinn View Post

Camui,Make sure you are looking at settings for TVs <65in.

OK thanks

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post #5165 of 8749
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Originally Posted by camui78 View Post

When I try to calibrate the colors on ANY SETTING, it starts at 400+ and NOT in the 100s like I read. Any reason why this is?? This is with the 47" model.

Here is a link to a post in this thread that you should use for calibration(courtesy of vestviascott). Scroll roughly towards about halfway down. You can use either the cnet or dr shankensteins settings for your model as the tvs in these size categories have a different RGB gain range compared to the 60,70, and 80s. Once you find the desirable pq settings. Set it and forget it. Don't waste your life trying to perfect a tv. good luck
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1452199/official-vizio-m-series-razor-mxx1i-thread/2400
post #5166 of 8749
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Originally Posted by hauz20 View Post

@cash70 I tried finding the sweet spot last night with no luck. I know different sizes make comparison difficult, but our 55" M was far more forgiving on crosstalk; there virtually wasn't any!

A strange side note: I played Star Wars Pinball in 3D from the PS3 and could not discern any crosstalk. Is it possible the TV is recognizing video content and kicking some processing element into overdrive and thereby creating horrid crosstalk?

Hmmm...maybe someone with the 60" can chime in, but I don't recall reading anyone complaining about the amount of crosstalk. I would try it with a different player, if possible. If not, I would have it replaced.
post #5167 of 8749
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Hmmm...maybe someone with the 60" can chime in, but I don't recall reading anyone complaining about the amount of crosstalk. I would try it with a different player, if possible. If not, I would have it replaced.

For the life of me, I could not figure out what everyone was referring to by crosstalk - having never seen this or heard the term previously, But, now I think I know. We just hooked ours (601) up on Saturday, and never having had a 3d tv and my most recent 3d movie was Avatar years ago, I was curious to see how it looked. I tested out a few different movies and was blown away by the image - the depth was absolutely amazing. My wife, who thinks I am crazy with this stuff, couldn't stop commenting on it. Then, I noticed what I think crosstalk was. I could see on the lower right corner, there was some sort of shadow/double image. This was the only place that I really noticed it, and it would come and go. I noticed it on several movies. I am going to go over all of the connections again and maybe try a different player (using a Sony and was most recently updated within the past few weeks). Crosstalk in the lower right corner, TV looks amazing.
post #5168 of 8749
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Originally Posted by Oliver Dubin View Post

Where can I find a inexpensive set of stereo speakers I can connect to my 55" LED Vizio M series thru its RCA out? Using this method will I be able to control the volume with the Vizio TV remote. They need to have there own power supply?

I am assuming that you just want to improve the sound that currently comes out of the TV - and not trying to put together some kind of surround sound system.  You might want to consider a sound bar.  There are various brands and wattage to choose from.  Also, I had one other thought.  Since you live in Santa Monica, take a drive to the Camarillo Outlet Mall.  There is a Bose outlet store within the mall.  Bose makes many different self-powered versions of some of their most popular stand alone designs.  There may be a blemish, or they were originally returned to the manufacturer and cannot be sold as new, but they will sound great, and the price is going to be considerably lower.

Good luck in your hunt.

post #5169 of 8749
@cash70 as this will be my fifth TV in four months, my wife was understandably frustrated and told me to spend the extra money. So ... a 55w900a will be arriving Friday.
Edited by hauz20 - 11/4/13 at 7:21am
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Anyone having issues streaming Netlfix Super HD/3D to their Vizio? Im hard wired with a fios 40MB connection and I'm still getting an error saying my connection isnt fast enough.
post #5171 of 8749
I was trying not to use a sound bar. Don't have room for one. Any ideas of two speakers I could buy to connect thru RCA out on the back of the 55" M series? Also do the USB ports on the back of the Vizio supply power?
Edited by Oliver Dubin - 11/4/13 at 12:10pm
post #5172 of 8749
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Originally Posted by cash70 View Post

Hmmm...maybe someone with the 60" can chime in, but I don't recall reading anyone complaining about the amount of crosstalk. I would try it with a different player, if possible. If not, I would have it replaced.
I have the 60 inch and the first one I got had horrible crosstalk going on. I exchanged that one and have not had any issues with content on the new set. I've seen a few comments about bad crosstalk from 60 inch owners on this thread, that may be an issue with this model.
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@leetmeatwad did you have vertical line bleeding during 3D playback as well? Mine does.
post #5174 of 8749
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Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad View Post

I have the 60 inch and the first one I got had horrible crosstalk going on. I exchanged that one and have not had any issues with content on the new set. I've seen a few comments about bad crosstalk from 60 inch owners on this thread, that may be an issue with this model.

Thanks for the update. I took a couple of more looks at it and did notice notice it a little more. I moved around, left, right, sat higher up, lower down, changed connections around - but still noticed it. Unless something miraculous happens over the next few days, I will be exchanging it back to Costco this weekend and hope I have the same luck as you with the next one - that it has no issues.
post #5175 of 8749
I was close to giving Vizio a shot with its M series TV to replacing my aging 7 year old Sony 3LCD, but the negatives feedback on Vizio's outdated apps and piss poor remotes made me go with a Sammy 6350 at Costco instead.
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I went with the Vizio (M801D) and haven't had problems with the remote (12 feet from the set). I've played with the apps a little, but since I'm going to get a Black Friday PS3 as a 3D blu-ray player/streaming box/game console I really don't care much about the smart tv aspect much. The Samsung 6400 I saw at Sam's Club didn't have as good a picture, INMHO, as the Vizio M series and I really like the 3D performance (my son brought over his PS3 so that we could watch the 3D Star Trek movie).
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Originally Posted by fog80 View Post

Anyone having issues streaming Netlfix Super HD/3D to their Vizio? Im hard wired with a fios 40MB connection and I'm still getting an error saying my connection isnt fast enough.

Here’s what Netflix recommends:

• 0.5 Megabits per second - Required broadband connection speed
• 1.5 Megabits per second - Recommended broadband connection speed
• 3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for DVD quality
• 5.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for HD quality
• 7.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for Super HD quality
• 12 Megabits per second - Recommended for 3D quality

https://support.netflix.com/en/node/306

I dropped Netflix streaming some time ago when they changed their prices, but at the time their so-called “HD” was 2.8 Mbps according to my Roku in debug mode. For comparison, standard DVDs that I’ve checked are ~ 5-7 Mbps and Blu-ray discs are ~20-35 Mbps. 3D adds about 50% from what I’ve read.
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Originally Posted by hauz20 View Post

@leetmeatwad did you have vertical line bleeding during 3D playback as well? Mine does.
My original set was somehow not "aligned correctly" in terms of how the polerized light was lining up with the "interlaced" 3D images, therefore when looking at the set dead center, parts of the screen were okay, while others had extreme crosstalk. For my set the bottom right corner had horrible cross talk unless I was standing above the set looking down at a 45 degree angle.

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Thanks for the update. I took a couple of more looks at it and did notice notice it a little more. I moved around, left, right, sat higher up, lower down, changed connections around - but still noticed it. Unless something miraculous happens over the next few days, I will be exchanging it back to Costco this weekend and hope I have the same luck as you with the next one - that it has no issues.
I will say this before you return it, mine had BAD crosstalk that always showed, but even a good set will have SOME crosstalk on a polarized 3DTV. To elaborate some more, high contrast colors will typically show some light crosstalk (such as bright yellow on deep blue), so if you are only seeing light crosstalk in those types of situations then exchanging the set won't fix it. If you are seeing cross talk on similar colors (dark brown on light brown) and moving to above or below angles and it disappears then you definitely have an issue similar to what I had.
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Originally Posted by fog80 View Post

Anyone having issues streaming Netlfix Super HD/3D to their Vizio? Im hard wired with a fios 40MB connection and I'm still getting an error saying my connection isnt fast enough.

I get that error message too (wireless) but it still gives me the choice of choosing 3D anyway. Then it reloads and plays 3D just fine. If my wifi is a little slow it will occasionally rebuffer, but other than that it works great. Go ahead and choose the 3D option again if it gives you a choice.

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Originally Posted by ronh36 View Post

Here’s what Netflix recommends:

•0.5 Megabits per second - Required broadband connection speed
•1.5 Megabits per second - Recommended broadband connection speed
•3.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for DVD quality
•5.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for HD quality
•7.0 Megabits per second - Recommended for Super HD quality
•12 Megabits per second - Recommended for 3D quality

https://support.netflix.com/en/node/306

I dropped Netflix streaming some time ago when they changed their prices, but at the time their so-called “HD” was 2.8 Mbps according to my Roku in debug mode. For comparison, standard DVDs that I’ve checked are ~ 5-7 Mbps and Blu-ray discs are ~20-35 Mbps. 3D adds about 50% from what I’ve read.

Yeah, Netflix recently upped their game. 1080p streams, 3D, and their streaming selection is getting better. It took them long enough, but it's finally well worth the couple bucks extra now.
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Trying to decide between a M Series 60 or 65 inch and the Samsung 6300 60inch. Really having a hard time deciding. I don't care about apps or 3d at all so for me it is all about picture quality. Can anyone offer any help? I watch a lot of sports and movies and do gaming on xbox 360 from time to time.
post #5181 of 8749
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Originally Posted by josephpearson View Post

I went with the Vizio (M801D) and haven't had problems with the remote (12 feet from the set). I've played with the apps a little, but since I'm going to get a Black Friday PS3 as a 3D blu-ray player/streaming box/game console I really don't care much about the smart tv aspect much. The Samsung 6400 I saw at Sam's Club didn't have as good a picture, INMHO, as the Vizio M series and I really like the 3D performance (my son brought over his PS3 so that we could watch the 3D Star Trek movie).

I agree...

My sister and brother-in-law have the Samsung 6400 and no matter how I calibrate it for her it does not hold a candle to the picture quality of the M-series - not even in the same league! I'll go one further IMHO - the Sammy is an abject POS in comparison the the M-series. And when I say M-series I'm referring to the 60, 70 and 80 which are the only models in the M line with the same (superior) panels. I'm not sure why if Vizio couldn't source these same panels in the smaller sizes why they even bothered lumping them into the M-series - only serves to muddy the perception of the whole line as a result.
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Originally Posted by mxpx5678 View Post

Trying to decide between a M Series 60 or 65 inch and the Samsung 6300 60inch. Really having a hard time deciding. I don't care about apps or 3d at all so for me it is all about picture quality. Can anyone offer any help? I watch a lot of sports and movies and do gaming on xbox 360 from time to time.
From my understanding (from loose online research), the Samsung has solid picture in a light room but is weaker in terms of black level (especially in dark settings). Looking at features (and probably reliability) the Samsung is probably a better set overall, however I'm pretty sure the Vizio might beat it out in terms of overall picture quality. It's really hard to gauge the picture quality differences because I don't know of many professional reviews of the new M series TVs, I've only seen reviews of last year's models and I don't know of any professional reviewers that have reviewed both of these sets.
post #5183 of 8749
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Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad View Post

From my understanding (from loose online research), the Samsung has solid picture in a light room but is weaker in terms of black level (especially in dark settings). Looking at features (and probably reliability) the Samsung is probably a better set overall, however I'm pretty sure the Vizio might beat it out in terms of overall picture quality. It's really hard to gauge the picture quality differences because I don't know of many professional reviews of the new M series TVs, I've only seen reviews of last year's models and I don't know of any professional reviewers that have reviewed both of these sets.

Thanks for the input, and yeah it is tough, most reviews focus SO much on all the extra features instead of actual picture quality. I do think the samsung has good picture quality but worry about it's performance with fast action, at the stores it doesn't seem to do well with it. I have two vizio's now and have been happy with them.
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Originally Posted by PeterNincompoop View Post

I agree...

My sister and brother-in-law have the Samsung 6400 and no matter how I calibrate it for her it does not hold a candle to the picture quality of the M-series - not even in the same league! I'll go one further IMHO - the Sammy is an abject POS in comparison the the M-series. And when I say M-series I'm referring to the 60, 70 and 80 which are the only models in the M line with the same (superior) panels. I'm not sure why if Vizio couldn't source these same panels in the smaller sizes why they even bothered lumping them into the M-series - only serves to muddy the perception of the whole line as a result.

I saw both side by side at Best Buy today and the Demo Reel for the Samsung was pretty jaw dropping. The colors and picture really popped out of the screen, while the vizio looked more realistic. It is hard because I feel like the Samsung demo's really well but wonder how it would really do in real world. Where I am pretty sure Vizio would look great in real every day use. And it is cheaper.
post #5185 of 8749
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Originally Posted by hauz20 View Post

@cash70 as this will be my fifth TV in four months, my wife was understandably frustrated and told me to spend the extra money. So ... a 55w900a will be arriving Friday.

Good luck bud!

I know if I had to choose between the Vizio M55 or the Sony 55w900a, I'd gamble on the Sony all day long. The reason I say gamble is that Sony is not without there own set of QC concerns either. I've seen 5 (55w900a's) and 4 had horrible ghosting and 1 looked beautiful. Too bad TV buying these days is such a pain in the ass...

Here's to hoping you get a good one!
post #5186 of 8749
So here is my dilemma. I'm trying to figure out how to get better sound out of a 55" M but don't have the room in front for a sound bar. I want to find a pair of external speakers that connect via the RCA out or I could use a 3.5 to RCA out cable if the speaker only has 3.5. How would i find though a pair of speakers that would have a cord that connects the speakers to each other long enough to stretch to each side of a 55" TV? That is why I think I need to find a pair of RCA out speakers that don't have a wire connecting the two separate speakers like most PC speaks are. I'm thinking it will be hard to find a pair like this that is also USB powered. Does the Vizio's USB out supply power? Any suggestions? Also I would be able to control the volume with the Vizio remote?
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Originally Posted by PeterNincompoop View Post

Good luck bud!

I know if I had to choose between the Vizio M55 or the Sony 55w900a, I'd gamble on the Sony all day long. The reason I say gamble is that Sony is not without there own set of QC concerns either. I've seen 5 (55w900a's) and 4 had horrible ghosting and 1 looked beautiful. Too bad TV buying these days is such a pain in the ass...

Here's to hoping you get a good one!

Yeah, unfortunately anymore, almost every TV is a gamble. Even a rather expensive Sony. Not to beat a dead horse, but the goal of a razor-thin TV at the cost of picture quality blows my mind. Give me a five-inch-thick LCD without clouding and light bleed, please. Anyway, my fingers are crossed for a good set on the w900a, but everyone in here has been a great help.
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Originally Posted by hauz20 View Post

Yeah, unfortunately anymore, almost every TV is a gamble. Even a rather expensive Sony. Not to beat a dead horse, but the goal of a razor-thin TV at the cost of picture quality blows my mind. Give me a five-inch-thick LCD without clouding and light bleed, please. Anyway, my fingers are crossed for a good set on the w900a, but everyone in here has been a great help.

I'm with you. I rather have an "ugly" tv with great picture than a nice one with crappy picture. Hopefully the w900a works out. I would have been very frustrated if I had to replace the tv (or anything for that matter) as many times as you did.
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Good luck with the Sony. I know Sonys reputation but can't help remember back in the good old CRT days I owned Zeniths & RCA's and never had a problem, turned them on & they worked well but everyone that I knew with a Sony trinitron was telling me how it was in for this repair & that repair but they were great TV's. I could never figure that logic out.
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Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad View Post

From my understanding (from loose online research), the Samsung has solid picture in a light room but is weaker in terms of black level (especially in dark settings). Looking at features (and probably reliability) the Samsung is probably a better set overall, however I'm pretty sure the Vizio might beat it out in terms of overall picture quality. It's really hard to gauge the picture quality differences because I don't know of many professional reviews of the new M series TVs, I've only seen reviews of last year's models and I don't know of any professional reviewers that have reviewed both of these sets.

CNET has reviewed the Vizio M Series and the Samsung F6300. They liked both, and preferred the Vizio over the Samsung. The F6300 was also better than some of the higher-tier offerings from Samsung. There are written reviews and videos too.
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