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post #5251 of 8771
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Originally Posted by Jim Gravina View Post


Yes but not NEARLY as glossy as the 65...I saw them side by side at costco.  The 65 is like a mirror!

They looked the same to me. And neither looked as glossy as the Panasonic plasma.
post #5252 of 8771

Hmm....you sure it was a 60 and a 65?  Everyone else in this thread has stated the 60 is more a semi-matte and the 65 is much more glossy.  there is a pic several threads back with a comparison.

post #5253 of 8771
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Originally Posted by GiantBubbleGuy View Post



Pictures of the 65 and 70 mounted to my wall for anyone interested in the difference in their reflectivity.

Here is the post i was talking about several threads back.  The 65 is the glossier of the 2.  I know it says they are comparing the 65 and 70...but the 60 is the same screen as the 70.  The 65 is the only one in the line that has the glossier screen.

post #5254 of 8771
So if I use the calibration settings from here would I still have lag if trying to play a game not in game mode? I don't want to have to switch between the two every time.
post #5255 of 8771
Hmm with them both on I couldn't really tell much difference. The 65 was actually right next to the E series 65 which does have a matte screen. I will have to look again when I am there to actually purchase.
post #5256 of 8771
@Oliver yes, you will encounter lag
post #5257 of 8771
If that is the case though I may go with the 60, both the 60 and the 65 are going to be very large TV's and if all else is equal I would prefer a non Glossy screen. I can use the money I would save buying the 60 to get a new blu ray player and maybe some new speakers.
post #5258 of 8771
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Originally Posted by Oliver Dubin View Post

So if I use the calibration settings from here would I still have lag if trying to play a game not in game mode? I don't want to have to switch between the two every time.
The calibration disc are for adjusting settings of the picture, it will not affect the lag from a normal mode vs game mode.
post #5259 of 8771
I will chime in as well about the 60 vs 65 screen. When at Costco they had them next to each other and you could easily see a difference in the reflection in the screens between the two. Not saying that the 60 doesn't reflect, but not nearly as much as the 65 did. We have our 60 in the living room with a sliding door and 3 large windows and have no problems (I just close a blind or curtain if necessary). My only issue was originally with crosstalk, but decided (with postings from others) what I was seeing was actually normal, but I did notice too much of light bleed throughout the screen and will be exchanging it this weekend. Other than the light bleed, I think this is a great set and far superior compared to my previous LG lcd.

PlayNice - thanks for those settings. I might give those a shot as well.
post #5260 of 8771
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Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad View Post

Umm...I hate too break it to you...but the 60 has a really glossy screen too...

Not like the 65!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #5261 of 8771
Is it just me, or does it seem odd to everyone else that the X5 inch sets seem like an entirely different build that the X0 sets? They seem to be differentiated by either A3 (for the even numbers) and A2 for the odd ones and the color temperature settings appear to be different too.
post #5262 of 8771

In all of my research I would have to agree with you, though I cant say from personal experience.  All of my research has led to to the X5 sets to be different from the X0 sets.  With the exception of the 65 which seems to be an entirely different animal all together.  Im not sure about the A2, A3 but those seems to fall in line with the A2 being the X5 size and A3 being the X0 sizes.

 

Hmm....im getting the 60 either way!

 

EDIT:  but then again, i just looked and the 50" also has A2...weird.

post #5263 of 8771

Question...i know the remote is terrible with these TVs.  My question is...is it the REMOTE itself?  Or the IR sensor on the TV.  In other words...if I have a Harmony Touch remote and just use that is the problem solved?  Or is the issue with the IR sensor.

 

Thanks!

Jim

post #5264 of 8771
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Originally Posted by Jim Gravina View Post

Question...i know the remote is terrible with these TVs.  My question is...is it the REMOTE itself?  Or the IR sensor on the TV.  In other words...if I have a Harmony Touch remote and just use that is the problem solved?  Or is the issue with the IR sensor.

Thanks!
Jim
The problem is the IR sensor is on the BOTTOM of the left hand side of the set....so basically the higher you hold the remote, the less responsive it is. Some have attached reflective metal or foil to relay the signal better, but honestly I have found that the lower I hold the remote the better. There would probably be an issue for users who mount it really high and tilt it down...which will effectively have the sensor pointed at the wall.
post #5265 of 8771
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Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad View Post


The problem is the IR sensor is on the BOTTOM of the left hand side of the set....so basically the higher you hold the remote, the less responsive it is. Some have attached reflective metal or foil to relay the signal better, but honestly I have found that the lower I hold the remote the better. There would probably be an issue for users who mount it really high and tilt it down...which will effectively have the sensor pointed at the wall.


Ok, so a poorly places IR sensor....not a faulty remote.  Got it.  Thanks!

post #5266 of 8771
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Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad View Post

The problem is the IR sensor is on the BOTTOM of the left hand side of the set....so basically the higher you hold the remote, the less responsive it is. Some have attached reflective metal or foil to relay the signal better, but honestly I have found that the lower I hold the remote the better. There would probably be an issue for users who mount it really high and tilt it down...which will effectively have the sensor pointed at the wall.

Actually I believe it is not the IR sensor but the remote itself. I use my Harmony and have no issues what so ever with the remote sensor.
post #5267 of 8771
@jim gravina that said, my Harmony 650 worked very well with my 55" M.

So perhaps a combination of poor sensor placement and shoddy remote?
post #5268 of 8771
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Originally Posted by hauz20 View Post

@jim gravina that said, my Harmony 650 worked very well with my 55" M.

So perhaps a combination of poor sensor placement and shoddy remote?
That would be my guess; while I personally haven't had any issues with the included remote I would guess that a nicer remote would put out a stronger signal and have less of a problem with the signal not relaying. Considering some who had an issue that placed something to reflect the signal up reported an increase in remote reponse to the TV I would say placement is at least part of the problem.
post #5269 of 8771
All I know is that as a potential buyer stuff like poorly responding remotes take these Vizio's out of the running. Big deal? No, its not. Indication that lots of other "small" matters did not get thought through? Yes. And THAT is why I've taken these Vizio's off my "possible" list.

Back to the LG and Samsung models.
post #5270 of 8771
It's worth noting that the TV is supposed to have a Wifi update for the remote, making it use that instead. However, it was supposed to appear over the summer and as of yet is AWOL.
post #5271 of 8771
And they remove themselves right out of the group of potential buyers who use Logitech Harmony's?

I don't get it. Both 60 and 65 inchers were in the running.

Not now.

Which is why this is such a GREAT forum.
post #5272 of 8771
I also use a Harmony Remote (Smart Control) with my 60" Vizio, and the response is snappy & 100% effective. I hate to think that they would change the receiver to WiFi without giving us the option, perhaps through the menu, to remain with IR.
post #5273 of 8771
I have decided on a Vizio 70, but should I go with the M series or E? I don't care about 3D at all... I just want the best possible picture. I don't watch movies
.. just sports. Any input is greatly appreciated.
post #5274 of 8771
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Originally Posted by DoctorVideo View Post

I also use a Harmony Remote (Smart Control) with my 60" Vizio, and the response is snappy & 100% effective. I hate to think that they would change the receiver to WiFi without giving us the option, perhaps through the menu, to remain with IR.

I'm sure they will.......where did you guys get the sense that enabling wifi would disable infrared? That just doesn't make sense.
post #5275 of 8771

Do you know if Vizio remotes from older models might work with the M series?  For instance:

 

http://www.amazon.com/Original-VIZIO-XRV1TV-keyboard-remote/dp/B009IHHQUS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383957449&sr=8-1&keywords=keyboard+remote+vizio

 

My concern isn't necessarily the unresponsiveness of the included remote, but more the fact that it doesn't have a keyboard, which would make it difficult to do searches for YouTube videos and other stuff.  I have heard people saying that wireless keyboards were incompatible.

 

Obviously it's not a big deal, I probably won't be using the keyboard on a regular basis.  But that remote is cheap enough...

post #5276 of 8771
I believe they work. If I'm not mistaken, someone in here actually got the previous version of remote when they bought an open box M series.
post #5277 of 8771
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Originally Posted by l33tmeatwad View Post

Is it just me, or does it seem odd to everyone else that the X5 inch sets seem like an entirely different build that the X0 sets? They seem to be differentiated by either A3 (for the even numbers) and A2 for the odd ones and the color temperature settings appear to be different too.
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Originally Posted by Jim Gravina View Post

In all of my research I would have to agree with you, though I cant say from personal experience.  All of my research has led to to the X5 sets to be different from the X0 sets.  With the exception of the 65 which seems to be an entirely different animal all together.  Im not sure about the A2, A3 but those seems to fall in line with the A2 being the X5 size and A3 being the X0 sizes.

Hmm....im getting the 60 either way!

EDIT:  but then again, i just looked and the 50" also has A2...weird.

Guys -

The only sets in the M-series line that are the same are the 60, 70, and 80 as they have the same (superior) panels. The rest are a mixed bag with the 65 being a lay-over from last years 2012 M-line. As I said a couple pages back, I don't know why if Vizio couldn't source the same panels in the smaller sizes why they even bothered to lump them into the same series as it only serves to muddy the perception of the whole line IMO.
post #5278 of 8771
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

All I know is that as a potential buyer stuff like poorly responding remotes take these Vizio's out of the running. Big deal? No, its not. Indication that lots of other "small" matters did not get thought through? Yes. And THAT is why I've taken these Vizio's off my "possible" list.

Back to the LG and Samsung models.
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

And they remove themselves right out of the group of potential buyers who use Logitech Harmony's?

I don't get it. Both 60 and 65 inchers were in the running.

Not now.

Which is why this is such a GREAT forum.

Middleton -

Not true...

The IR sensor being placed in the precarious location that it is was necessary to keep the bezel design as thin as it is. The poor remote functionality is exacerbated by the fact that the remote has a narrow IR blast so it has to be pointed directly at the sensor - the Harmony works better as it has a much wider IR blast. This was all to be a moot point and temporary as they have always intended the remote to be upgraded via firmware to function thru the wifi connection. I was told it is still coming and will not negate the IR sensors functionality so one can still use thier harmony remote etc if they choose to after the firmware upgrade. So no - this wasn't something that wasn't thought thru and somehow equating to other things not being thought through. Instead, its more a matter of Vizio not delivering the firmware upgrade as soon as they indicated.
post #5279 of 8771
If you say so.

Your point is the IR based remote function will be substandard but not too substandard or by using wireless for the best or better remote ability means they've cut themselves off from Logitech users unless those users want to settle for substandard remote controllability by sticking with IR?

This is your "pro" argument?


It is substandard but since it is by design it is "thought through"?

Well ok.

I'm still not buying one and I bet I'm not the only one who has read about issues like the remote and have decided to pass on these TV's.
post #5280 of 8771
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Originally Posted by ironicninja View Post

Do you know if Vizio remotes from older models might work with the M series?  For instance:

http://www.amazon.com/Original-VIZIO-XRV1TV-keyboard-remote/dp/B009IHHQUS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383957449&sr=8-1&keywords=keyboard+remote+vizio

My concern isn't necessarily the unresponsiveness of the included remote, but more the fact that it doesn't have a keyboard, which would make it difficult to do searches for YouTube videos and other stuff.  I have heard people saying that wireless keyboards were incompatible.

Obviously it's not a big deal, I probably won't be using the keyboard on a regular basis.  But that remote is cheap enough...
I can confirm that they do work, in fact I used my remote from my old TV to run the setup because it has the keyboard on the back, lol...
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