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post #5311 of 8821
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Originally Posted by vid33nyc1 View Post

Im looking to get the VIZIO M601d-A3R or the Samsung UN60F6300.Was in bestbuy today and comparing the 2.The vizio is rated higher on CNET on performance but the sammy colors just seemed to pop more.Both TVs were running the same store demo.It seemed the backlight and contrast were set much higher than the vizio though.And does best buy have some kind of contract with samsung?The employees there seem to always try to push you toward a samsung tv for some reason.
As odd as it might sound, going to view TVs at the store is the worst way to get a good idea of how a set can actually looks when properly set up. The way they configure those set fire display is simply jacking up all the settings to try and make them pop more to the viewers' eyes and they are far from accurate. I have avoiding going to the store to look at sets until I have done my research because I know my eyes and the sales people will deceive me.
post #5312 of 8821
Make no mistake, this picture is stunning. I put this through all the tests with gaming, sports. movies and it looks fantastic.
If your able to turn down the back light and brightness to less than 45 the bleeding becomes a non issue.
no lag on games and the semi reflective screen looks far better than the matte one from Sharp.

Anyone have the 3 digit remote code for the set? I found one that works but its limited as far as the functions......
post #5313 of 8821
I am getting the 60" in the mail Thursday from Amazon. Does anyone have a descent general calibrated settings for this unit? I'm going to eventually have it pro calibrated, but in the meantime I'd like it to not look like total crap.
post #5314 of 8821
I apologize in advance for the verbosity of this post.

Well, I pulled the trigger Saturday. Was at Costco for another look and they actually had some 3D glasses available. The 3D is pretty cool, but my wife is blind in one eye so we'll never/rarely use it. Then I looked below the display set and there was a box with the set in stock. I said oh $hit. I had such a bad Jones for this thing I had to go for it. Told the sales guy it would not fit in my Lexus SUV. He said it could go on the roof rack if I had one (they don't deliver), I had brought my Thule straps with me. The guys helped me get it up on the roof rack, then it took me a little while to get it secured with the Thule straps. Drove home VERY carefully with the flashers on, of course one jerk-off had to be right on my butt on the road near my house (what part of emergency flashers did he not understand?). Made it home without incident. My neighbor helped me get it down and into the house. I think he wanted me to open it up so he could see it, but I was a little spent and the wife was not big on that idea. Wife helped me Sunday morning. Moved the Sony SXRD to the living room, she was complaining it was too heavy (they don't weigh that much and she works out all the time, I told her not to be such a wimp). We got the Vizio unpacked (pretty easy) and got it on the stand (she complained again about the weight).

Now comes the hook-up. I only have component, goes through my somewhat ancient Denon receiver. I hook it up and turn it on. The first thing on is a Harry Potter film on DirecTV. Everyone was green. I figured I just needed to do some adjustments. My wife said it looked like $hit, I told her it just needed adjustment. I tried to adjust it (big red push, back off the green push, etc), no luck. I thought oh $hit, I got a bad set. Was about to go over the Best Buy for a HDMI cable (hoping that would fix it) and decided to check the connections before I went out. DOH! DUH! The red connector on the component wasn't seated. Fixed that and it was good, just had to back off the prior adjustments.

Been eyeballing the adjustments and it looks great.....so far. Will get the HDMI cable and then research what others have done. I'm confident I can get it right.

Funny end to this diatribe, my wife originally thought 70" would be too big. When we got it on the stand she said it actually looked smaller than the old TV (Sony SXRD 60"). Dang it! I've should have gone for the 80".
post #5315 of 8821
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Originally Posted by kilazar View Post

I am getting the 60" in the mail Thursday from Amazon. Does anyone have a descent general calibrated settings for this unit? I'm going to eventually have it pro calibrated, but in the meantime I'd like it to not look like total crap.
I beleive there are some calibration settings on page 81 of this thread.
post #5316 of 8821
I haven’t been to a movie theater in a few years, and I’ve been curious about how my current viewing angle at home compares to the back row of a theater. According to this calculator, my viewing angle is 31.5 degrees. From the web page:

“THX also publishes standards for movie theaters to adhere to for THX certification. THX requires that the back row of seats in a theater have at least a 26 degree viewing angle and recommends a 36 degree viewing angle.”

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html
post #5317 of 8821
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Originally Posted by ursa99 View Post

I've done a bit more tweaking and have a bit better settings if you are not sick of changing your settings. These are for a M601D and may or may not be good for your particular set. The attached graph tells the story.




Couple of questions for anyone who can help.

Why do many people use game mode for everything? Does it improve motion artifacts? Any other reason? I don't do gaming. Just watch movies, sports, and news (some network shows, Jeopardy every night).
What are RGB "Offsets"? What do they do?
Do most people use different modes for day and night? On my Sony SXRD I used vivid for day and custom for night. The primary difference was brightness.

I found a code that worked for my Sony universal remote. It's normally only used to turn the set on and off (macro single button for the TV and receiver). The menu button when set to TV just brings up the internet stuff, need to use the lousy Vizio remote for TV menu button for picture adjustments.

I'll have more questions later. But, so far, I really like the Vizio.
post #5318 of 8821
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Originally Posted by ronh36 View Post

I haven’t been to a movie theater in a few years, and I’ve been curious about how my current viewing angle at home compares to the back row of a theater. According to this calculator, my viewing angle is 31.5 degrees. From the web page:

“THX also publishes standards for movie theaters to adhere to for THX certification. THX requires that the back row of seats in a theater have at least a 26 degree viewing angle and recommends a 36 degree viewing angle.”

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

The THX "standard" is not necessarily best for home use unless you have a dedicated home theater (it was meant for "film"), but as home TVs improve in picture quality, you can go bigger and sit closer. Projector Central, which deals mostly in front projection home theater systems, recommends 1.5x to 2.0x the screen width. This can vary somewhat depending on personal preference. We just upgraded to 70" from 60", THX would have said we should be at 100+", maybe we could have gone with 80" for more money but the 70" is fine.

IF you are doing a dedicated home theater in a totally dark room, go front projection as big as you want. If you just want a TV, get the biggest you can afford and will work in your room.
post #5319 of 8821
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark View Post

Couple of questions for anyone who can help.

Why do many people use game mode for everything? Does it improve motion artifacts? Any other reason? I don't do gaming. Just watch movies, sports, and news (some network shows, Jeopardy every night).
What are RGB "Offsets"? What do they do?
Do most people use different modes for day and night? On my Sony SXRD I used vivid for day and custom for night. The primary difference was brightness.

I found a code that worked for my Sony universal remote. It's normally only used to turn the set on and off (macro single button for the TV and receiver). The menu button when set to TV just brings up the internet stuff, need to use the lousy Vizio remote for TV menu button for picture adjustments.

I'll have more questions later. But, so far, I really like the Vizio.

I use game mode, because the other modes force "Smooth Motion" when watching 3D movies. In Game mode, Smooth Motion is always off.
post #5320 of 8821
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark View Post

Why do many people use game mode for everything? Does it improve motion artifacts? Any other reason? I don't do gaming. Just watch movies, sports, and news (some network shows, Jeopardy every night).
What are RGB "Offsets"? What do they do?
Do most people use different modes for day and night? On my Sony SXRD I used vivid for day and custom for night. The primary difference was brightness.

I also have a Sony SXRD.

RGB "Offsets" set the low end of RGB, just like brightness sets the low end (black level). Sony calls this RGB "Bias". Other names are Cuts, Cutoff, & Sub-brightness. Gain sets the high end, just like contrast sets the high end (peak white) with other names being Drive, & Sub-contrast.

The advantage of Game mode is eliminating extra video processing. Game mode is intended to reduce lag, and the way it does it is turning off all the unnecessary video processing. On my Sony SXRD, Game/Text mode also produces better results when choosing a color space: Choosing a Color Space, 2nd Edition ı Spears & Munsil. I haven't evaluated this on the Vizio yet.
post #5321 of 8821
Saw in Best Buy's Black Friday ad that the M501D will be $599 that day. 1st time that set has been marked down that much.
post #5322 of 8821
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Originally Posted by maddog510 View Post

Saw in Best Buy's Black Friday ad that the M501D will be $599 that day. 1st time that set has been marked down that much.

Is that online or in-store only? There's no way I'd be able to drive the long distance to pick one up on the insanity of Black Friday, but I'd jump at the chance to order it online.
post #5323 of 8821
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

In store only. And price is guaranteed for 1 hour only.

Dammit! Well, here's hoping for Amazon then.
post #5324 of 8821
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

Dammit! Well, here's hoping for Amazon then.
Woops! Sorry. I was looking at a Walmart ad. Dont know about BB.
post #5325 of 8821
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Woops! Sorry. I was looking at a Walmart ad. Dont know about BB.

Hope restored! Walmart on Black Friday, one hour only? That's doable. Do you know if it will be all Walmart stores?
post #5326 of 8821
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

Hope restored! Walmart on Black Friday, one hour only? That's doable. Do you know if it will be all Walmart stores?
I dont know and thats the wrong tv. Sorry again. Thats the E601 for $688 if I remember right.
The M 50" at BB is on sale 11/28-11/30 with free delivery but it doesnt say whether thats in store only or online.
Of course you can Google all the details and you may have to call your local store.
post #5327 of 8821
Now you're just doing this on purpose. frown.gif
post #5328 of 8821
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Originally Posted by AGuy01 View Post

Now you're just doing this on purpose. frown.gif
lol No. I spent about 10 minutes researching to correct my earlier post. Trust me, I have better things to do. Im not even considering buying one.
post #5329 of 8821
Another article on viewing angle:

"A human with 20/20 vision can discern details to about 1/60th of degree. Details smaller than 1/60th of a degree cannot be discerned. This allows us to calculate some minimum viewing angles based on the resolutions of various video formats."

"Minimum Viewing Angle = Horizontal Resolution / 60"

"This tells us that the minimum viewing angle for 1080p is 32 degrees."

http://www.gadgetbench.com/screensize/
post #5330 of 8821
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Originally Posted by Jim Clark View Post

Couple of questions for anyone who can help.

Why do many people use game mode for everything? Does it improve motion artifacts? Any other reason? I don't do gaming. Just watch movies, sports, and news (some network shows, Jeopardy every night).
What are RGB "Offsets"? What do they do?
Do most people use different modes for day and night? On my Sony SXRD I used vivid for day and custom for night. The primary difference was brightness.

I found a code that worked for my Sony universal remote. It's normally only used to turn the set on and off (macro single button for the TV and receiver). The menu button when set to TV just brings up the internet stuff, need to use the lousy Vizio remote for TV menu button for picture adjustments.

I'll have more questions later. But, so far, I really like the Vizio.

1. Game mode is used, among other reasons, because it allows smooth motion without the Soap Opera Effect. Enable smooth motion on any other mode and see if you like the effect. If not try Game mode.
2.. RGB 'Offsets' affect the darker portions of the picture. If you took a picture and assumed black was 0 and white was 100 and divided it evenly into 10% increments you would find that RGB Offsets affect the lower end of that scale, around 10% to 40-50%. RGB Gain affects the upper end, 50% to 90-100%.

Ursa
post #5331 of 8821
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Originally Posted by ursa99 View Post

1. Game mode is used, among other reasons, because it allows smooth motion without the Soap Opera Effect. Enable smooth motion on any other mode and see if you like the effect. If not try Game mode.
2.. RGB 'Offsets' affect the darker portions of the picture. If you took a picture and assumed black was 0 and white was 100 and divided it evenly into 10% increments you would find that RGB Offsets affect the lower end of that scale, around 10% to 40-50%. RGB Gain affects the upper end, 50% to 90-100%.

Ursa

Are you saying that smooth motion (if enabled) does work in Game Mode? I thought it was grayed out or something??? Will have to check this when I get home.
post #5332 of 8821
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Originally Posted by wgallupe View Post

Are you saying that smooth motion (if enabled) does work in Game Mode? I thought it was grayed out or something??? Will have to check this when I get home.
>>Are you saying that smooth motion (if enabled) does work in Game Mode?
That is exactly what I'm saying.
Ursa
post #5333 of 8821
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Originally Posted by ursa99 View Post

>>Are you saying that smooth motion (if enabled) does work in Game Mode?
That is exactly what I'm saying.
Ursa

Just to clarify further, even though "game" mode disables video processing, enabling "smooth motion" still ups the panel's refresh rate to 240hz, but without the Motion Estimation/Motion Compensation that causes the soap opera effect.
post #5334 of 8821
Has anyone been able to do an input lag test in gamemode with smooth motion on vs off?
post #5335 of 8821
Jim Clark -

A quick distillation for you and other new M-series owners - if you calibrate in game mode you will enjoy an effective refresh rate of 240hz without the underlying processing (Motion Estimation/Motion Compensation) as noted by "low-tones", that produces the dreaded Soap Opera Effect. and if you use Ursa's settings, your TV will be calibrated to the standard 6500K color balance that most directors in movies etc use. The resulting colors are very natural with any variation being due to the source but know your TV is set to a high standard for color balance.
post #5336 of 8821

I have the Vizio m471i ....On the contrary I'm trying to achieve the SoapOperaEffect. Is it because my laptop only says its displays 60hz max not 120hz? New to the TV world here. I'm using a 1.5 tb external harddrive via my laptop. 

post #5337 of 8821
Hey everyone. I am looking to pull the trigger on the VIZIO M701d-A3R. Costco has the TV for $2099.99 which seems like a very good deal based on all the positive reviews, quality and size. Also did anyone just walk into Costco and the TV was in stock? Most places never stock big TVs. Plan to head there in a few hours when they open.

I will do a decent amount of gaming and I'm curious on the input lag. I can't seem to find any results. I did however see that if the TV is not in game mode imput lag is pretty bad (Obviously).
post #5338 of 8821
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Originally Posted by PeterNincompoop View Post

Jim Clark -

A quick distillation for you and other new M-series owners - if you calibrate in game mode you will enjoy an effective refresh rate of 240hz without the underlying processing (Motion Estimation/Motion Compensation) as noted by "low-tones", that produces the dreaded Soap Opera Effect. and if you use Ursa's settings, your TV will be calibrated to the standard 6500K color balance that most directors in movies etc use. The resulting colors are very natural with any variation being due to the source but know your TV is set to a high standard for color balance.

My source is DirecTV, I rarely ever use the DVD player and don't have BR yet. The DirecTV box does not have adjustments for color or brightness (no surprise). I still have component hooked up if I want to use the DVD. But I connected the HDMI directly from the DirecTV receiver to the TV.

My next purchases will be an A/V receiver with HDMI switching and a a BR player. Then I can get rid of the bulky component cables.
post #5339 of 8821
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Originally Posted by Doostur View Post

Hey everyone. I am looking to pull the trigger on the VIZIO M701d-A3R. Costco has the TV for $2099.99 which seems like a very good deal based on all the positive reviews, quality and size. Also did anyone just walk into Costco and the TV was in stock? Most places never stock big TVs. Plan to head there in a few hours when they open.

I will do a decent amount of gaming and I'm curious on the input lag. I can't seem to find any results. I did however see that if the TV is not in game mode imput lag is pretty bad (Obviously).

I would just call your local store. I got mine at Sams. But I was able to just walk in and take it with me. They actually had around 6 on the floor if I recall correctly. I would imagine that they probably have a few in stock. I don't do any gaming. But I believe the reports here have been very good.
post #5340 of 8821
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Originally Posted by cash70 View Post

I would just call your local store. I got mine at Sams. But I was able to just walk in and take it with me. They actually had around 6 on the floor if I recall correctly. I would imagine that they probably have a few in stock. I don't do any gaming. But I believe the reports here have been very good.

Sounds promising. On my way now to play with it!
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