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post #61 of 8770
Hi, Folks,

I'm surprised that no one seems to have referenced the only coverage that I've seen which mentions a specific availability month for the M-series displays. Caleb Denison (from DigitalTrends) mentions at 00:29 in his report from the CES floor, that the M-series will start to be available in May. No doubt Vizio will formally launch the device at some point between now and then, but this seems to be a worthwhile consideration.

Regards,
Mark
post #62 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Mark J. Foster View Post

Hi, Folks,

I'm surprised that no one seems to have referenced the only coverage that I've seen which mentions a specific availability month for the M-series displays. Caleb Denison (from DigitalTrends) mentions at 00:29 in his report from the CES floor, that the M-series will start to be available in May. No doubt Vizio will formally launch the device at some point between now and then, but this seems to be a worthwhile consideration.

Regards,
Mark

Well crap.
post #63 of 8770
Ya I hope he's wrong ... I need it to be on the shelf before April 30th.

If this is the case I will just have to return my current 70" E-Series and bring my 55" XVT back in the living room from the bedroom till this new 70" M-Series comes out.
post #64 of 8770
I just got back from the Sony store at the Stanford Shopping Center and they just put up the brand new Sony KDL-32R400A one day before the ship date. I would like to make some comparisons between the Sony KDL-32R400A and the Vizio M321i.

The width of the Sony set is 28.625" even though the spec says it is 28.78" (conversion from mm). The Sony Bezel looks larger than the Vizio. My guess is that the Vizio will come in at 28.5". If that holds true then Advantage Vizio

Appearance: It is not even close. Advantage Vizio

HDMI inputs: Sony 2, Vizio 3. Advantage Vizio

Audio Outputs: Sony has both a two channel audio out and spdif. I saw the back panel in person. All HDTV manufacturers have spdif. This is to sell their soundbars along with their HDTVs. For those with analog preamplifiers with real stereo speakers having right and left channel RCA audio outputs on the HDTV is important. You can't always depend on the HD cable box having RCA right and left channel analog audio outputs. It is not clear whether Vizio has right and left channel analog audio outputs. Advantage unclear.

Refresh rate: Sony effective 120 Hz. Vizio 120 Hz. Advantage Vizio

Resolution: Sony has 720p, Vizio has 1080p. Advantage Vizio (although Sony demoed a 1080p at CES. But for now it is advantage Vizio


Weight: Sony 11.1 lbs. Vizio 13 lbs. You would think the advantage would go to Sony. But the Vizio is more solidly constructed with a metal bezel and a metal base. Advantage Vizio.

Price: Sony $329.99, Vizio $399.99. Advantage Sony But only is Smart TV does not matter to you. If Smart TV matters then it is advantage Vizio. To have that feature for only $70 more is a bargain

Sony beat Vizio to the market in the 32" class. If you can hold off until May then you should buy the Vizio M321i. If you can't wait until then, then you should buy the Sony. I truly wish that John Hwang would release the technical specs for thge M321i. There are a lot of people who will go out and buy the Sony in the 32" category because there is not enough detail for the Vizio M-TVs. It is time for Vizio to get off the dime.

Hank Lawrence
Menlo Park
post #65 of 8770
Thanks for the cool info.

I think many here are waiting for word on the big boys ... 60" / 70" models (and 80 for those willing to wait a few more months after the other release).
post #66 of 8770
Hey guys, this is my first post on this Vizio thread. I'm considering purchasing the 80 inch M series once it's released, and I wanted to hear your opinion on probably the only reservation I have at this point: Quality. Let me give you a little background on my situation. I also posted about this on another thread, but I figured I'd like to hear also from previous vizio owners.

My budget right now for this TV upgrade is around $4000. And I REALLY, REALLY want to upgrade at least to a 75 or 80 inch. (Currently Own a 55 Inch 3D Sony KDL55NX810 which I love, and and older Samsung LN52A750 which is not 3D, but has even better picture 2D quality than the Sony, even thou it's an older set.).

I have looked hard and long at the Sharp HE LC-80LE844U. There is also a Samsung set that is 75 inch and it's 3D (UN75ES9000 ) but it's already out of the question since It's like 8 grand. So that only leaves the sharp, and I was already set on that one, until I read some lukewarm reviews about it's picture quality and decided not to go for it. (Let alone aesthetically is just fugly in my opinion. Here's a picture. http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/01/09/sharp_610x407.jpg).

I also want 3d, so that left me basically with no options. However, something I completely ruled out in the past might be the answer this time: Vizio. I had a HORRIBLE experience with Vizio in the past. I purchased one of their sets, a Vizio GV47L and it happened to die A WEEK after the warranty expired, and they refused to give me any leeway whatsoever. So I paid $400 bucks to repair it. Replaced the motherboard. And a few days later, It died AGAIN. Called the tech back, and it was the motherboard again. So the shop that sold me the motherboard gave me a discount (thinking that somehow the problem was the motherboard), and I ordered a second motherboard. The tech installed it and it was dead in less than a week. Turn out the TV was somehow ruining every motherboard you put in it. This thing was a motherboard killer, pretty much beyond redemption, so that was a total loss., so that was a total loss. And I swore I would never touch a vizio TV again, not even with a 10 foot pole. Fast forward to today, and my "I want an 80 inch 3d TV and only have 4 grand available" conundrum". Then I found out the vizio M series had been announced. See here:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/07/vizio-2013-hdtv-4k-m-series-xvt/

So that peaked my curiosity, but amongst all the things I've read about vizio lately, this by Sam Biddle from Gizmodo stood out:

"Simply, I doubt anyone will be able to tell the difference between a 70-inch Vizio and a 70-inch [Expensive LCD Brand] side by side"

So it appears to me that Vizio has stepped up their game lately. And the M series looks gorgeous, the thin bezel looks amazing, and the street price for the 80 inch of $4500, puts it right at my price range. So now, I'm seriously tempted to purchased this bad boy once Costco starts carrying it. I actually intend to purchase a Coctso membership just to buy the Tv from them, because my endgame, is this: I'm I'm gonna roll the dice and give Vizio a second shot, I'm sure as heel gonna buy from the place that gives me the best warranty, and I'll pay with AMEX on top of that. So right off the bat, I'll walk out the door with 3 years piece of mind.

So I ask you, current vizio owners, what has been your experience with vizio quality and warranty wise? Am I right to believe the vizio of 2013 is significatly different from the Vizio of 2008 which game me so many headaches? let me know your thoughts.
post #67 of 8770
I wouldn't worry about it. With the Costco and Amex plan you have, you're covered for 3 years. After that 4k TVs will be around and you'll want to upgrade again anyway.

That being said, check out that Samsung one online, is it still 6k after recent discounts?

Oh, is a projector out of the question?
post #68 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Xtrasmiley View Post

I wouldn't worry about it. With the Costco and Amex plan you have, you're covered for 3 years. After that 4k TVs will be around and you'll want to upgrade again anyway.

That being said, check out that Samsung one online, is it still 6k after recent discounts?

Oh, is a projector out of the question?

Yes, a projector is out of the question since this TV will sit in my living room, a place with lots of light and where even thou I can turn off all the lights come movie watching time, during the daytime the wife may use it to watch some TV while she s doing other things in the kitchen so it does need to be an actual TV.

As for the Samsung, it's actually close to 8 grand, see here:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN75ES9000-75-Inch-1080p-240Hz/dp/B0074FGZYO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363877207&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+75+inch+led+tv

And I just don't see them slicing the price of their TV in half any time soon. I think for now, the vizio seems to be my best choice, and if for whatever reason the PQ is not up to par, I can always return it during the first 90 days. This will be the first TV I ever buy from a brick and mortar store. All my TVs have come from amazon in the past. I mean, just the taxes on this beast will be a quarter of a grand!
post #69 of 8770
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Originally Posted by TheBigmac View Post

Yes, a projector is out of the question since this TV will sit in my living room, a place with lots of light and where even thou I can turn off all the lights come movie watching time, during the daytime the wife may use it to watch some TV while she s doing other things in the kitchen so it does need to be an actual TV.

As for the Samsung, it's actually close to 8 grand, see here:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN75ES9000-75-Inch-1080p-240Hz/dp/B0074FGZYO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363877207&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+75+inch+led+tv

And I just don't see them slicing the price of their TV in half any time soon. I think for now, the vizio seems to be my best choice, and if for whatever reason the PQ is not up to par, I can always return it during the first 90 days. This will be the first TV I ever buy from a brick and mortar store. All my TVs have come from amazon in the past. I mean, just the taxes on this beast will be a quarter of a grand!

I'm not sure when it's going to be released but the Samsung F8000 is coming in a 75" model. F8000 has already been released so the 75" shouldn't be too far behind. Not sure if it's going to have the same model # though. The 75 ES9000 should go on sale when that happens. Not sure if it will get cut in half though.
post #70 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

I'm not sure when it's going to be released but the Samsung F8000 is coming in a 75" model. F8000 has already been released so the 75" shouldn't be too far behind. Not sure if it's going to have the same model # though. The 75 ES9000 should go on sale when that happens. Not sure if it will get cut in half though.

I didn't know that. Thanks! I'll definitely keep an eye on that one too! smile.gif
post #71 of 8770
$8,000 for a Samsung???

You got to be out of your MIND to spend that kind of money on a 75" TV on top of it being a Samsung.

If it was maybe a Sony then I can "Kinda" see it ... This is the kind of TV for people who have dollar bills on a roll next to their toilet.

Plus it a friggin Gold Outside bezel .... LOL .... Just stupid.

If I had money to burn it wouldn't be on this junk it would be an Elite hands down ... I would easily give up 5" for a superior TV.
Edited by falconman515 - 3/21/13 at 11:40pm
post #72 of 8770
it's Vizio vs sharp and then Sony vs Samsung. Anyone shopping Vizio knows it's not going to be as good as the Sony/Samsung but we have a few extra thousand bills laying around to make us feel better.
post #73 of 8770
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Originally Posted by steinerms View Post

it's Vizio vs sharp and then Sony vs Samsung. Anyone shopping Vizio knows it's not going to be as good as the Sony/Samsung but we have a few extra thousand bills laying around to make us feel better.

Actually it's Vizio vs Sony and Sharp by themselves. The Vizio and Sony will be at the same price level, the Sharp about $700 more (for the 70").

EDIT: Took out this last line.
Edited by Xtrasmiley - 3/23/13 at 7:50am
post #74 of 8770
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Originally Posted by Xtrasmiley View Post

Actually it's Vizio vs Sony and Sharp by themselves. The Vizio and Sony will be at the same price level, the Sharp about $700 more (for the 70").

Of course Sony's is just a LG TV branded by Sony, so take that for what you will.
Your statement is not totally correct across all model lines. Because you buy a certain size "Panel" has nothing to do with the internal guts and R&D Sony owns and deploys to service a PANEL and then turns it into a DISPLAY.

Were it fact then all Sony's would have mirrored Sharp when Sony was partnered with Sharp using their panels. The panel rebrand has little to do with the internals that turn it into a DISPLAY!

LG is selling panels not the display technology and R&D Sony has developed for decades, lets not confuse rebranded panels vs. the end result DISPLAY Presentation - they don't mirror one another - Sony doesn't need LG's help at that end which is manufacturing and production Sony stands above LG when it comes to PQ over the decade and aren't in need of assistance in that area - production costs in manufacturing is where Sony has needed help not R&D. smile.gif
post #75 of 8770
Fair enough, I took out that last line, but left the remainder in b/c from a price point, those are the comparisons (for 70" only).

Also, I believe the Vizio and Sony are passive 3D and the Sharp remains active 3D.
post #76 of 8770
Still no solid info on release date, huh? Just wanted to chime in (to give people hope after the DigitalTrends "May" statement) and say that CNET (Donald Bell) said this will be arriving in "first quarter" on HIS video from CES. Let's hope Donald's info is correct. I'd be really surprised if these didn't end up hitting shelves in April. With the new Samsung/Panasonic/LG TVs ALREADY becoming available, I doubt Vizio would wait until May to release the M-Series. Plus, it looks like the current E-series are seeing pretty deep discounts... looks like they are trying to blow them out. Maybe this is all wishful thinking, though. haha. I am REALLY interested in the 65 (depending on the "glare" issue) or 70 inch. Come on, Vizio! Get these out soon! biggrin.gif
post #77 of 8770
Well my Costco is now out of 55" Vizio TVs. I hope it's not much longer as my Samsung's DMD chip is up to about 20 dead mirrors now and it's starting to get really painfull to watch. I actually stopped by Costco because I was getting weak and thinking about picking up a current 55" Vizio but I guess I am super committed to the new M series now.
post #78 of 8770
I went back to the Sony store at the Stanford Shopping Center.Sony will begin selling the KDL-32W650A on Cinco de Mayo for $649.

The advantages of the Sony KDL-32W650A over the Visio M321i are:
240 Hz refresh rate- unheard of for a 32" set
A complete set of specs. Vizio has only released minimal information
An announced purchase date. So far Mum has been the word for Vizio
You can pre-order it now for a May 5, 2013 delivery

The disadvantages of the Sony are:
Only two HDMI inputs. The M321i has 3 HDMI inputs
Appearance. The Vizio set looks much better than the Sony
Weight: the Sony weighs17.2 lbs the Vizio weighs 13.1 lbs
It costs 62.5% more than the Vizio

The Sony willl have a slightly better picture; but it is overpriced by at least $150. The Vizio will have a much better looking set at a very competitive price. However people are getting impatient and if Vizio doesn't announce the complete set of specs and release data it will lose sales to Sony. Joh Hwang are you listening?
post #79 of 8770
Just wanted to say I'm waiting on new 70 inch. I picked up E-series 70 inch from Best Buy last week but not happy with black levels. My reference for black levels is Sony 720 series from couple years ago that's in living room-very good for edge-lit LED, hoping the new M series Vizio is similar.
post #80 of 8770
Is it worth calling Vizio customer service for a release date? Or is that a waste of 30 minutes being on hold?
post #81 of 8770
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Originally Posted by austin316 View Post

Is it worth calling Vizio customer service for a release date? Or is that a waste of 30 minutes being on hold?

It's a waste. They probably don't even know or aren't allowed to say anything if they do.
post #82 of 8770
I agree. They probably don't even know. I'm starting to lose faith that these will be out in April. I have not seen a single thing about the new M-Series since the initial reports from CES. The new TVs from Sharp, Samsung, Panasonic, Toshiba, are all showing up in the stores as we speak. Hope Vizio does not let themselves fall too far behind.
post #83 of 8770
They probably know how many people are waiting to return their e series
post #84 of 8770
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Originally Posted by dpiantino View Post

They probably know how many people are waiting to return their e series

Myself included ... it's going back this month regardless ... whether this new M-series is out or not.

Not gonna hold onto the E-series when the issues that exist on that set are bad and I really wanted something initially with more bells and whistles plus 3D ... this thing will have an overhauled app suite with all the fixens like 3D, local dimming, etc. etc.

It's gonna be in my living room regardless but the E-series is going back regardless as well ... I was just hoping this would be released before my April 30 90 day return date so i could take it back and get the new one ... but if I have to drag the 55" back into the living room in the time being then so be it I guess.

Let's Get Moving On This M-Series TV Vizio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #85 of 8770
Also waiting for the 65" or 70". I had a 60" and it seemed too small at almost 10' viewing distance. I hope this TV shines.

Although I must say, it looks like all the screens are very glossy. I hope it isn't super reflective but I don't see how it couldn't be since supposedly the front is all glass. redface.gif

Just really wanna start seeing this in stores so I can check them out!
post #86 of 8770
Also waiting for the new M series to come out. One thing about Vizio is their track record of announcing products and for them to be released much later or not at all. Hopefully this does not happen this time around. I have a wall mount installed waiting for a new TV to be put on it. I had returned an LG 60LM7200. I am looking at the 70" from Vizio.
post #87 of 8770
I've already sent back two E701's because of flash lighting and clouding issues. So I am anxious to see if the new M701 will use the same screen as the E Series. A couple of other questions I will be looking at. #1 is this a real 240Hz or a tricked out 120Hz like most other manufactures are using? #2. The main concern with passive 3D is that both eyes are not fed a full 1080P signal, which is also one of the fixes Vizio is trumpeting with the advent of the XVT's 4K resolution. #3. So far no manufacture has been able to do provide a solid performing Edge LIT LOCAL DIMMING display. Samsung's brand new F8000 (and very expensive) seems to have also failed in this attempt with edge lit local dimming. I'm certainly no engineer but the concept of edge lit and local dimming seems very unlikely. I understand the 16 zones sounds good but sounds good and actually works remains to be seen. I'm certainly keeping my fingers crossed.
post #88 of 8770
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

Myself included ... it's going back this month regardless ... whether this new M-series is out or not.

Not gonna hold onto the E-series when the issues that exist on that set are bad and I really wanted something initially with more bells and whistles plus 3D ... this thing will have an overhauled app suite with all the fixens like 3D, local dimming, etc. etc.
.....

Let's Get Moving On This M-Series TV Vizio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can always check out the 2012 M series. the 651SV has the #D and local dimming.

Rick
post #89 of 8770
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

......#1 is this a real 240Hz or a tricked out 120Hz like most other manufactures are using? #2. The main concern with passive 3D is that both eyes are not fed a full 1080P signal, which is also one of the fixes Vizio is trumpeting with the advent of the XVT's 4K resolution. #3. So far no manufacture has been able to do provide a solid performing Edge LIT LOCAL DIMMING display. Samsung's brand new F8000 (and very expensive) seems to have also failed in this attempt with edge lit local dimming. I'm certainly no engineer but the concept of edge lit and local dimming seems very unlikely. I understand the 16 zones sounds good but sounds good and actually works remains to be seen. I'm certainly keeping my fingers crossed.

I have the 2012 M3D651SV. It has 240hz, but I assume it is achieving it the same as others. As far as the local dimming, I'm pretty satisfied with the local dimming on my set. It's one of the few advanced features I had turned on. Though I have been trying it with it turned off for the last week. While I know there isn't supposed to be a break-in period, I think my PQ (uniformity and black) has gotten better over time (5 months).

Rick
post #90 of 8770
The only thing I can think of is that Vizio probably has some quality issues and wants them completely resolved before introducing the MXXi series to market. I can not blame Vizio for this. It is the right thing to do. But I am getting impatient. I am going down to the Sony store at Stanford Shopping Center on May 5. If I like the Sony KDL-32W650A then I will buy it. I never had a quality issue with Sony but it does charge a hefty (62.5%) premium for its top of the line 32" LED set. I am hoping that the Vizio M321i gets released before May 5 so I can do a comparison. Given the alleged quality issues with the E series sets a comparison is probably the wise thing to do. If the M321i is not released by May 5 then I will pony up the extra bucks and buy the Sony
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