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post #601 of 8828
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Originally Posted by Dellamorte13 View Post

Can anyone who owns one of these confirm any issues with banding or edge bleed? I'm debating on selling my LG LM6700 and getting an M series due to the LG's terrible edge bleed and LG's reluctance to fix it.

if you go to page 20 I believe that dr. Frankenstein guy (sry know its not right) posted a video showing the smart dimming function and you can see the results there...
post #602 of 8828
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Originally Posted by Dellamorte13 View Post

Can anyone who owns one of these confirm any issues with banding or edge bleed? I'm debating on selling my LG LM6700 and getting an M series due to the LG's terrible edge bleed and LG's reluctance to fix it.

Only a few owners yet but seems ok minus glowing corners which disappears with local dimming. LG is reluctant to fix your edge bleed because it's not fixable. I've never heard of anyone getting flashlighting, edge bleed, or clouding fixed by the manufacturer.
Edited by Justin Sullins - 5/29/13 at 9:35am
post #603 of 8828
It seems like the market for 70" displays will between Sony, Sharp, and Vizio. If you want Passive 3D then the Sony and the Vizio will be your choice. Pretty much the same MSRP and very close for sale price. There should be some very interesting comparisons and would love to see a professional shootout between these three displays. Only the consumer would benefit.
post #604 of 8828
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Originally Posted by Tabonuk View Post

if you go to page 20 I believe that dr. Frankenstein guy (sry know its not right) posted a video showing the smart dimming function and you can see the results there...

I have not seen any banding and having come from an LG LM7600 I can tell at least in my case I have little to zero flashlighting/bleed. Having done several uniformity test with all types of material and purity slides it seems the LED's are placed on the left and right side of the set.
During widescreen material the top and bottom of the screen appear to shut off illuminating only the active area. I am still impressed by the display, but could use a few extra setting (dimming/smooth motion custom).
Edited by Dr.Shankenstein - 5/29/13 at 1:46pm
post #605 of 8828
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

Do you notice it or is it bothersome when watching a darker movie like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings (local dimming anomaly)?

Is the glow on the bottom-right and left corners always there?

I am actually returning this set for this reason. Vizio needs to have a firmware update for their local dimming. The video captured it perfectly. If you look on the right side of the tv you can clearly see the different LED's turn off and on. On the left side it is a more gradual change. For whatever reason the amount of local dimming is not consistent with both the left and right side of the screen. This is very annoying when watching dark videos.

This is my second set thinking that the first was defective so it is definitely a problem people should be aware of.
post #606 of 8828
55" Vizio M-Series at Fresno, CA. Costco Warehouse ....... (Can't wait for the 70")





post #607 of 8828
So $100 less than MSRP on the 55", I wonder how that extrapolates out to the 70".
post #608 of 8828
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

55" Vizio M-Series at Fresno, CA. Costco Warehouse .......

So... not quite as matte as I had hoped.
post #609 of 8828
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Originally Posted by bluescreen View Post

So... not quite as matte as I had hoped.







If this is matte, wonder what the 65" looks like smile.gif
post #610 of 8828
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Originally Posted by bluescreen View Post

So... not quite as matte as I had hoped.

Yea, that's definitely not matte.
post #611 of 8828
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Originally Posted by haobms View Post

If this is matte, wonder what the 65" looks like smile.gif


Semi-Matte

I think the Matte ones are the smaller, less then 50" ones.
post #612 of 8828
Hey guys, new to the forum. I did some reading around but I'm not sure if this is where I should post this. If it's not, please let me know.

I'm looking to buy a personal LED tv for my bedroom (will use to watch tv and blu ray movies and play Xbox) and this is the first time I will be buying it myself instead of receiving one as a gift so I want to make a smart decision. I was initially set on buying a Samsung, probably this model:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung---40%26%2334%3B-Class-(40%26%2334%3B-Diag.)---LED---1080p---120Hz---Smart---HDTV/7841212.p?id=1218861014703&skuId=7841212

But the M series caught my attention and now I'm torn between the Samsung and this Vizio

http://store.vizio.com/mseries/m401ia3.html

I've done some research and checked out what are important factors, but any help, suggestions, or advice is appreciated! Thanks
post #613 of 8828
i went to my local best buy today to check out the m501d a2r today and noticed a green line around the edge of the tv.. does anyone know if this is a common issue with the TV or if that one was just an anomaly..
post #614 of 8828
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Originally Posted by leeher2007 View Post

i went to my local best buy today to check out the m501d a2r today and noticed a green line around the edge of the tv.. does anyone know if this is a common issue with the TV or if that one was just an anomaly..
I would think an anomaly, may have been a bad feed or some weird compression.
post #615 of 8828
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Originally Posted by leeher2007 View Post

i went to my local best buy today to check out the m501d a2r today and noticed a green line around the edge of the tv.. does anyone know if this is a common issue with the TV or if that one was just an anomaly..

I haven't noticed it on my set so I'm guessing it was under scanned content. Probably didn't quite fit or something along those lines.
post #616 of 8828
I've only had a small opportunity to sample content on the 501D that I just put up last night. So far the TV is absolutely gorgeous from an aesthetics point of view. The edge makes it look like the TV is floating a bit. I won't comment on actual PQ until I've put it through its paces. That's only fair.

One thing I've noticed is that the 3D that I tested wouldn't allow me to turn off smooth motion. I'm hoping under a different picture mode I can turn this off. I absolutely hate smooth motion or any 120/240hz. I always turn it off. If anyone with an M series set can comment on this, I would appreciate it. I will know for sure when I get home and give it a thorough testing.

I have noticed that that local dimming is slow to respond when doing things that have nothing to do with actual real life TV viewing. Changing inputs and pausing black screens will show its worst moments but I haven't noticed that on the small amount of movie testing that I did. I do see a bit of flash lighting in the top right corner but only in the top right corner. I don't see any other bleeding on the set. After going through multiple other LEDs upstairs (ending up with a beautiful PN59D8000 Plasma) I have to say that I'm impressed with the lack of bleeding on this set compared to much more expensive sets. I didn't want to go with plasma for the basement because I'm a worry wart and I hate the babysitting I feel that i need to do on my D8000. I'll report back with settings and my opinion on PQ soon.
post #617 of 8828
I contacted Vizio about Smart dimming issue and have sent videos and pics to their technicians, so they get an idea of what we are seeing. I hope to hear back in the next couple days. I will let you know ASAP.
post #618 of 8828
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Originally Posted by dansou5 View Post

I am actually returning this set for this reason. Vizio needs to have a firmware update for their local dimming. The video captured it perfectly. If you look on the right side of the tv you can clearly see the different LED's turn off and on. On the left side it is a more gradual change. For whatever reason the amount of local dimming is not consistent with both the left and right side of the screen. This is very annoying when watching dark videos.

This is my second set thinking that the first was defective so it is definitely a problem people should be aware of.

I guess there's no manual way to deactivate the local dimming? As fast as video frames change, you'd think they could create a backlight that would dim and brighten so fast you wouldn't even notice it, but that video shows an extreme delay in adjusting from what it looks like.

I'm guessing there will be some updates to this TV, but I'm in the hunt for an 80 inch, and while I'm not trying to get Panasonic ZT quality here, I definitely want a good, stable picture for the long haul. The Sharp 80 inch is slightly cheaper but doesn't have 3D, and the 3D version is only active which is not what I'm interested in. As usual, the early adopters are the beta testers, but I don't see anything that can't be fixed with firmware updates, so I'm sure this TV will only get tweaked better over time. Hopefully.
post #619 of 8828
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Originally Posted by tempest790 View Post

I guess there's no manual way to deactivate the local dimming? As fast as video frames change, you'd think they could create a backlight that would dim and brighten so fast you wouldn't even notice it, but that video shows an extreme delay in adjusting from what it looks like.

I'm guessing there will be some updates to this TV, but I'm in the hunt for an 80 inch, and while I'm not trying to get Panasonic ZT quality here, I definitely want a good, stable picture for the long haul. The Sharp 80 inch is slightly cheaper but doesn't have 3D, and the 3D version is only active which is not what I'm interested in. As usual, the early adopters are the beta testers, but I don't see anything that can't be fixed with firmware updates, so I'm sure this TV will only get tweaked better over time. Hopefully.
You can turn "Smart Dimming" off in the settings menu, but will affect uniformity. I have tried turning it off lowered Backlight to 60 and turned the Ambient light sensor on low/med to see if the uniformity would improve without Smart Dimming on and without crushing blacks. It pretty much dimmed the backlight to about 30 with it employed.
post #620 of 8828
After turning the smart dimming off it reduced the picture quality to what I saw on the new vizio e series 47in. Without smart dimming I don't see any reason in owning the new M Series other then if you want 3D. Granted my last vizio was bought over 5 years ago but I'm not impressed with edge lit led with a high gloss screen. The screen is reflective enough that I have to hang a blind to use it in the day time and if I'm going through the trouble for that I would rather pick up a Plasma.
post #621 of 8828
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Originally Posted by bluescreen View Post

So... not quite as matte as I had hoped.

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Originally Posted by haobms View Post

If this is matte, wonder what the 65" looks like smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

Yea, that's definitely not matte.

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Originally Posted by joltdudeuc View Post

Semi-Matte

I think the Matte ones are the smaller, less then 50" ones.

LOL LOL LOL

I knew this picture would get some talking going on!!!


So ... when I was there I did see the 55" regular E-Series sitting right behind this M-Series 55" and there is a slight difference.

No mind you I went to many other screens like Samsung etc. and this Vizio is a lot more matte them many other makers but it is not as matte as the regular E-Series Vizio's

I was just at a real bright angle on that picture and really the picture actually seems a bit more gloss then it really is but that said it is in fact a tad bit glossier then the E-Series.

After looking at the others I was still Very Okay with this "Semi-Matte" screen over the dull E-Series ... it's not to bad really and I think with it being kinda in between it will help pop out the contract and colors on the screen without having the massive Plasma screen gloss (and yes there a Plasma right next to this one and if you compare the 2 the plasma was WAY glossier then this ... so really I think calling this a "Semi-Matte" screen is about right.

The picture Looked AMAZING though .,.. saw it here and at Best Buy and the one thing I really loved was the viewing angles ... the E-Series viewing angles are HORRIBLE and this M-Series 55" angles we're absolutely perfect in my opinion.

I sure hope the 70" has the same great angles as this 55"

A Bluray was playing and is was a darker animated movie so I couldn't really check for the main things I wanted to see but when I got to Best Buy and looked at there's I could not see anything showing the DSE (dirty screen effect) that the E-series has and I saw some whiteish backgrounds on the looped video playing and couldn't find any kind of banding.

The other thing I didn't want to see was the Ghosting / Halo effect ... There wasn't much playing that would help me see this so not sure about that yet ... seeing a football game or something is a perfect way to see if the players have the halo effect around them as they run etc. but there was nothing playing in the video loop that would show this off to much ... but the basic stuff I did see there was nothing.

I LOVE the way this TV looks and Can't wait to have the 70" in my living room.

Also the bezel around the glass is not 100% flush but there is only a fraction of an inch lip between the bezel and glass .... It looks beautiful to me.

Also the stand is actually very sturdy ... a lot of Vizio's lately have had wobbly unsturdy bases but this one felt fine even sitting on a box it still felt solid, so that should not be an issue at all with this TV.

Has the Best Buy guy try and find anything on the 70" and he said there is nothing in the system yet but they do have a huge M-Series sign in the store that shows the entire line-up so they should be getting all sizes very soon.

Hope the pics and info I have gathered helps.
post #622 of 8828
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

So $100 less than MSRP on the 55", I wonder how that extrapolates out to the 70".

I am hoping 100-200 at least.

I hope this sells at Costco for maybe $2,349 / 2,399 ...... cheaper I Hope but being realistic based on the 55" price this is about what I think it would be.
post #623 of 8828
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Originally Posted by Tabonuk View Post

Dimensions
With Stand: 53.64”W x 33.56”H x 10.40”D
Without Stand: 53.64”W x 30.90”H x 2.22”D

Perfect! My console is 54"

Thanks Tabonuk
post #624 of 8828
Found a review with some good feedback from Vizio.com that I thought I was post here so we have some user review information as well.

This was the 50" model he had purchased .............

I purchased this set today from a big box retailer sight unseen. I have been anticipating this set since the announcement at 2013 CES. The industrial design is very reminiscent of LG's minimalist design. Vizio has managed in making an even more striking designed TV. You have a nearly border less design that seems to stretch to the very edge of the metal frame that the screen itself is set in. As striking as the design is the real magic happens when you power this baby on. If you are a fan of films such Prometheus and Tron:Legacy this thing shines, with deep black level and vivid colors that pop off the screen. The depth of 2D is as impressive as any 3D set I have seen, thanks to it's very impressive black level and contrast. If you are a gamer and are looking for smooth lag free performance look no further. After I hooked up the set to my PS3 I put it through its paces with some motion and twitch intensive games both online and off. While playing games like Deadspace the set exhibited incredible overdrive trailing/ image smearing performance. In games like like Killzone and Devil May Cry (DMC) where twitch reflexes and no lag mean the difference between a kill streak and a long perfect combo chain the Vizio did not fail to impress. I have not ha a moment to try the Smart or 3D on this set,but if they perform half as good as the 2D side of things then this set will one of the best bang for this side of Panasonic mid range plasma champ the ST60 (without input lag). After 100hrs of use I will have the set pro-calibrated and can report back with an update until then back to playing.
post #625 of 8828
It looks like I'll be passing on the new M-Series. I bought the M3Dxx0KD last summer and returned 3 weeks later because of the ****** local dimming that so many have complained about with the M-Series. It also had edge bleed. I'm sure the new M-Series has a great picture and excellent 3D but it sounds like there are a few uniformity issues as well as the slow local dimming which plagued the M3D0KD. To the poster asking about smooth motion while watching 3D content, it's supposed to help with crosstalk I believe. Maybe try a different picture mode while in 3D.
post #626 of 8828
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Originally Posted by Tabonuk View Post

if you go to page 20 I believe that dr. Frankenstein guy (sry know its not right) posted a video showing the smart dimming function and you can see the results there...

Wow, I was hoping I had an alternate to my LG and its crappy edge bleed but after watching those videos, I think I'll just wait a few MORE years until the these companies can make a decent TV.

The local dimming on this set is even worse than the Samsung EH4600 I originally bought and returned in November 2012. I've gone through three TVs and still can't find one that is a decent bang for my buck.

I love the Vizio brand and had hopes for this series but seems like the never-ending quest for a good TV continues. mad.gif
post #627 of 8828
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Originally Posted by leeher2007 View Post

i went to my local best buy today to check out the m501d a2r today and noticed a green line around the edge of the tv.. does anyone know if this is a common issue with the TV or if that one was just an anomaly..

None one mine either
post #628 of 8828
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Originally Posted by falconman515 View Post

I am hoping 100-200 at least.

I hope this sells at Costco for maybe $2,349 / 2,399 ...... cheaper I Hope but being realistic based on the 55" price this is about what I think it would be.
I was thinking at least $200 less, I guess we'll know fairly soon.
post #629 of 8828
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Originally Posted by JHummrich View Post

I've only had a small opportunity to sample content on the 501D that I just put up last night. So far the TV is absolutely gorgeous from an aesthetics point of view. The edge makes it look like the TV is floating a bit. I won't comment on actual PQ until I've put it through its paces. That's only fair.

One thing I've noticed is that the 3D that I tested wouldn't allow me to turn off smooth motion. I'm hoping under a different picture mode I can turn this off. I absolutely hate smooth motion or any 120/240hz. I always turn it off. If anyone with an M series set can comment on this, I would appreciate it. I will know for sure when I get home and give it a thorough testing.

I have noticed that that local dimming is slow to respond when doing things that have nothing to do with actual real life TV viewing. Changing inputs and pausing black screens will show its worst moments but I haven't noticed that on the small amount of movie testing that I did. I do see a bit of flash lighting in the top right corner but only in the top right corner. I don't see any other bleeding on the set. After going through multiple other LEDs upstairs (ending up with a beautiful PN59D8000 Plasma) I have to say that I'm impressed with the lack of bleeding on this set compared to much more expensive sets. I didn't want to go with plasma for the basement because I'm a worry wart and I hate the babysitting I feel that i need to do on my D8000. I'll report back with settings and my opinion on PQ soon.

If you use the "computer" picture setting Smooth motion is turned off.
post #630 of 8828
Whats all the issues with local dimming? Everyone knows it's not gonna be perfect on edge-lit panel.

Isn't there an option to just turn this off? If so I will be fine with not having it .... I'm not a massive stickler for the blackest blacks etc. etc.

Can this just be turned off?
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