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post #6061 of 8756
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Originally Posted by PlayNice View Post

I believe Vizio actually does use the dark frame insertion tech in their sets. That is how they are advertising 240Hz they call it backlight scanning. They use it in conjunction with Smooth Motion ™ to up the 120Hz to a “240hz” refresh rate.
So if Smooth Dimming is turned off (completely) then it's 120hz?

Truly. Not 60hz?
post #6062 of 8756
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Originally Posted by johndoejohndoes View Post

So if Smooth Dimming is turned off (completely) then it's 120hz?

Truly. Not 60hz?

Yes it is natively 120Hz
post #6063 of 8756
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Is there anyway at all to force the firmware to update? Calling Vizio customer support perhaps? This freezing and shutting down thing is getting ridiculous and there's very little time to return the TV to the store.

Return the TV back if your not happy. Don't settle you will regret it.
post #6064 of 8756
Hey guys just wanted to share my settings for gaming. I am using these for my xbox one, ps4, and 360. Most credit goes to Ursa as they are similar but tweaked just a little so it doesn't look so "gray". Here ya go, let me know what you think!

Game mode. Backlight 74
Brightness 53
Contrast 55
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 50

Color temp is normal but cool looks good too. All other settings off except auto brightness at night if it's a little too bright for ya!
post #6065 of 8756
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Originally Posted by johndoejohndoes View Post



Smart Dimming is off on mine.



I though that was the general consensus?

 



All the settings that ppl have for the m50 that I have saved to try all include smart dimming on. I would turn it on and see what happens. I bet the bleed improves.
post #6066 of 8756

Hello Everyone,

 

I just recently received my vizio m551d-a2r panel last night. Set it up watched one 3d movie then it decided to freeze and shut off. I have to wait a while before it will even think of powering back on and when it does it shuts off in a matter of seconds. Can anyone relate?

 

I have spoken to vizio and they are willing to send a replacement immediately upon proof of purchase but I purchased the TV and insurance from amazon. So I am waiting on Amazon's television return department to call me back since I don't want the new TV to not be recognized by amazon or the insurance policy. I'm really considering the 60" panel as I've heard it is less problematic, any suggestions?

post #6067 of 8756
Hi everyone,

I just got my "M651d-A2R 65-Inch 1080p 240Hz 3D Smart LED HDTV" and was hoping to be wowed, but I can't help but be concerned.

I'm probably sitting 8 - 10 feet from it, and I feel like I can see individual pixels on the screen. When I go closer to the screen, I can of course see that it is a grid of square pixels.

Does anyone know if this TV has fewer PPI than, say, the Samsung LED TVs? I'm trying to determine if this particular brand/model is somehow lower resolution or if this is just the way it is with TVs this big. I'm coming from a 52" DLP for comparison, and never felt like I could see individual pixels on it.

1080i cable looks pretty bad. I bought Avatar on Blu-Ray when I bought the TV and was hoping seeing it would change things, but it hasn't.

Does anyone have a link to the optimal settings for the 65" model handy? Hopefully changing settings can improve things.

I'd hate to have to send it back (not to mention the inconvenience), so if anyone has any thoughts or ideas I'd appreciate it.
post #6068 of 8756
Also, I'm trying to checkout what 3D looks like on the tv.

I have my Playstation 3 connected via HDMI, but when I choose a 3D show on the Playstation 3's Netflix app, I only see it in 2D on the TV.

Does anyone know what I need to do to see 3D content on the TV from my Playstation 3's Netflix app?

EDIT: I can't seem to get 3D to work using the tv's Netflix app, either.
Edited by Michael79 - 12/6/13 at 12:20pm
post #6069 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Michael79 View Post

Hi everyone,

I just got my "M651d-A2R 65-Inch 1080p 240Hz 3D Smart LED HDTV" and was hoping to be wowed, but I can't help but be concerned.

I'm probably sitting 8 - 10 feet from it, and I feel like I can see individual pixels on the screen. When I go closer to the screen, I can of course see that it is a grid of square pixels.

Does anyone know if this TV has fewer PPI than, say, the Samsung LED TVs? I'm trying to determine if this particular brand/model is somehow lower resolution or if this is just the way it is with TVs this big. I'm coming from a 52" DLP for comparison, and never felt like I could see individual pixels on it.

1080i cable looks pretty bad. I bought Avatar on Blu-Ray when I bought the TV and was hoping seeing it would change things, but it hasn't.

Does anyone have a link to the optimal settings for the 65" model handy? Hopefully changing settings can improve things.

I'd hate to have to send it back (not to mention the inconvenience), so if anyone has any thoughts or ideas I'd appreciate it.

To answer your first question, anytime you increase the screen size of the same resolution (1080p) you are decreasing the ppi and vise versa no matter what the brand. Larger Tv's will have larger pixels, meant to be viewed from further distances. 8-10 feet might just be a little too close for you.

post #6070 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Michael79 View Post

Also, I'm trying to checkout what 3D looks like on the tv.

I have my Playstation 3 connected via HDMI, but when I choose a 3D show on the Playstation 3's Netflix app, I only see it in 2D on the TV.

Does anyone know what I need to do to see 3D content on the TV from my Playstation 3's Netflix app?

EDIT: I can't seem to get 3D to work using the tv's Netflix app, either.

If you haven't tried already, select 3d from your vizio remote and depending on your 3d contents format select either sbs, tb, or sensio.

post #6071 of 8756
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Originally Posted by PlayNice View Post

I believe Vizio actually does use the dark frame insertion tech in their sets. That is how they are advertising 240Hz they call it backlight scanning. They use it in conjunction with Smooth Motion ™ to up the 120Hz to a “240hz” refresh rate.

That's very interesting, and something I hadn't considered. Simply flashing the backlighting @ 120Hz with a 60 or 120Hz panel refresh could create the exact same effect as dark frame insertion with a true 240Hz refresh rate would. This might fully explain the "effective" refresh rate numbers. 60Hz flashing (120Hz "effective" refresh) would be better for eliminating motion blur, but would could be within the flicker perception threshold of some people. It would also be incompatible with a 24fps source (as the 120Hz effective refresh supposedly is on the E-series).

Unless otherwise adjusted for, this would create dimmer backlighting when engaged than when not (assuming it is turned on and off with smooth motion), and does produce a flickering, but one that would probably be completely undetectable at 120Hz. I can detect flickering with dark frame insertion at 96Hz (for 24fps sources), but not 120Hz. I'll have to experiment with this a bit and see if can determine exactly what the Vizio is doing here. I'm not sure I'll be able to tell though.

Thanks for pointing this out. That sure explains a lot.
post #6072 of 8756
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Originally Posted by dvdchance View Post

Return the TV back if your not happy. Don't settle you will regret it.

Just want to correct it if possible rather than going to the trouble of de-installing the set and then possibly getting another that does the same thing, or has another issue. This seems likely to be a software glitch rather than a hardware issue. I'm trying to figure out if there is any way to clear it completely. There were no issues for about 2 weeks between the first time it did this and the second.
post #6073 of 8756
For those of you who have the freezing and shutdown problem, I have the XVT553 (3 years) and the XVT554 (2 years). Both of these sets do the same thing. When they were new they did it often for a month or 2 and now they do it once in a great while, every few months. Vizio doesn't have a clue about this. They replaced the boards and still the same. My brothers set is the same. My 554 did it yesterday and that was the first time it did it in about 4 months. At first I thought it might have something to do with the wired network and I've had that disconnceted since last spring. But it did it yesterday so I guess not.
post #6074 of 8756
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

Is there anyway at all to force the firmware to update? Calling Vizio customer support perhaps? This freezing and shutting down thing is getting ridiculous and there's very little time to return the TV to the store.

Just so you know, if Vizio replaces the set within your return period, (30-90 day, what ever the store has) they will give you a new set. If if's past the return period they will send you a Refurb. Something you might want to consider.
post #6075 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Burnerbum View Post

Just so you know, if Vizio replaces the set within your return period, (30-90 day, what ever the store has) they will give you a new set. If if's past the return period they will send you a Refurb. Something you might want to consider.

Thanks. I figured the easier way was to return it to the store within the return period. I knew that it would likely be a refurb if Vizio replaced it after that. Refurbs aren't necessarily all bad though. I bought an Oppo refurb intentionally, and based on how they handle refurbs I'll take one of their refurbs over new any day. I'm not sure that Vizio does the same to their refurbs though.

Since this issue is not consistent, I'm concerned that it might go away then come back with a vengeance later. I'm trying to get an idea if many else here have had similar issues and how they were corrected, but I've not gotten enough responses to get any kind of a feel for that yet.
post #6076 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Michael79 View Post

Also, I'm trying to checkout what 3D looks like on the tv.

I have my Playstation 3 connected via HDMI, but when I choose a 3D show on the Playstation 3's Netflix app, I only see it in 2D on the TV.

Does anyone know what I need to do to see 3D content on the TV from my Playstation 3's Netflix app?

EDIT: I can't seem to get 3D to work using the tv's Netflix app, either.

Netflix 3D does require a minimum network speed, are you at or above that threshold?
post #6077 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Burnerbum View Post

For those of you who have the freezing and shutdown problem, I have the XVT553 (3 years) and the XVT554 (2 years). Both of these sets do the same thing. When they were new they did it often for a month or 2 and now they do it once in a great while, every few months. Vizio doesn't have a clue about this. They replaced the boards and still the same. My brothers set is the same. My 554 did it yesterday and that was the first time it did it in about 4 months. At first I thought it might have something to do with the wired network and I've had that disconnceted since last spring. But it did it yesterday so I guess not.

Only problem with mine is it won't turn on at all anymore.

post #6078 of 8756
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Originally Posted by vh57 View Post

To answer your first question, anytime you increase the screen size of the same resolution (1080p) you are decreasing the ppi and vise versa no matter what the brand. Larger Tv's will have larger pixels, meant to be viewed from further distances. 8-10 feet might just be a little too close for you.
Thank you, vh57. That makes sense. I suppose the only improvement in that case would be a 4K TV, but I would rather stay away from 4K until it's had much greater market penetration and there is much more 4K content available.
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Originally Posted by vh57 
If you haven't tried already, select 3d from your vizio remote and depending on your 3d contents format select either sbs, tb, or sensio.
Thanks, I'll give that a shot.
post #6079 of 8756
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Originally Posted by PlayNice View Post



Netflix 3D does require a minimum network speed, are you at or above that threshold?
Yes. I initially connected the TV wirelessly, but when I learned that Netflix required a minimum speed for 3D I connected it to the wireless router with a network cable.
post #6080 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Michael79 View Post

Yes. I initially connected the TV wirelessly, but when I learned that Netflix required a minimum speed for 3D I connected it to the wireless router with a network cable.

What's your speed?
Edited by PlayNice - 12/6/13 at 2:34pm
post #6081 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Michael79 View Post

Hi everyone,

I just got my "M651d-A2R 65-Inch 1080p 240Hz 3D Smart LED HDTV" and was hoping to be wowed, but I can't help but be concerned.

I'm probably sitting 8 - 10 feet from it, and I feel like I can see individual pixels on the screen. When I go closer to the screen, I can of course see that it is a grid of square pixels.

Does anyone know if this TV has fewer PPI than, say, the Samsung LED TVs? I'm trying to determine if this particular brand/model is somehow lower resolution or if this is just the way it is with TVs this big. I'm coming from a 52" DLP for comparison, and never felt like I could see individual pixels on it.

1080i cable looks pretty bad. I bought Avatar on Blu-Ray when I bought the TV and was hoping seeing it would change things, but it hasn't.

Does anyone have a link to the optimal settings for the 65" model handy? Hopefully changing settings can improve things.

I'd hate to have to send it back (not to mention the inconvenience), so if anyone has any thoughts or ideas I'd appreciate it.

Given the same size display and same resolution and same viewing distance, you probably will be able to see the individual pixels more clearly on any direct view technology (LCD, including LED illuminated, or Plasma) than you will on DLP. The reason for this is that on a direct view display each pixel is made of side by side sub-pixels for the individual primary colors. Whenever a secondary color is displayed only 2/3 of the pixel is illuminated, leaving 1/3 black. Whenever a primary color is displayed only 1/3 of the pixel is illuminated leaving 2/3 of it black. This leaves black lines between lines of color that are larger than the lines of color themselves when a primary color is displayed. DLP instead displays each primary color in rapid sequence over the same space, so the black space between pixels is constant and relatively small compared to the pixel itself. The Sony SXRD (LCOS) displays were particularly noted for having minimal black space between pixels which made for a smoother, more film like appearance. Consistently fully filled pixels is something that is only available with a projector type TV. Apparently rear projection is dead, so the only option is front projection. Otherwise, you'll just have to live with the slightly increased obviousness of pixels on an LCD/LED or Plasma display.

One thing I used to particularly notice on 1080p DLP sets was that when my eye followed any motion in a diagonal direction on screen, I would see an apparent checker-boarding of the pixels. I believe this was due to the wobulation method of achieving 1080p resolution on DLP TVs. That is something that doesn't occur with direct view displays like the Vizio.
post #6082 of 8756
I can't find a single Netflix movie in 3D. It says Super HD but it doesn't show the 3D capability.
post #6083 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Michael79 View Post

Yes. I initially connected the TV wirelessly, but when I learned that Netflix required a minimum speed for 3D I connected it to the wireless router with a network cable.

Maybe I am wrong but I thought that each individual provider has to sign up for the netflix 3d service by opting in to their OpenConnect cache ??? Is thing something your internet provider has signed up for? I also believe your ISP has to offer at least 12mbps, but I would check with your ISP to see if they have registered for it.
Edited by Brett Day - 12/6/13 at 2:26pm
post #6084 of 8756
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Originally Posted by johndoejohndoes View Post

I can't find a single Netflix movie in 3D. It says Super HD but it doesn't show the 3D capability.

The Immortals is 3D
post #6085 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Brett Day View Post

Maybe I am wrong but I thought that each individual provider has to sign up for the netflix 3d service by opting in to their OpenConnect cache ??? Is thing something your internet provider has signed up for? I also believe your ISP has to offer at least 12mbps, but I would check with your ISP to see if they have registered for it.

The Open Connect sign up nonsense is no longer the case, it is available to all.
post #6086 of 8756
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Originally Posted by Burnerbum View Post

For those of you who have the freezing and shutdown problem, I have the XVT553 (3 years) and the XVT554 (2 years). Both of these sets do the same thing. When they were new they did it often for a month or 2 and now they do it once in a great while, every few months. Vizio doesn't have a clue about this. They replaced the boards and still the same. My brothers set is the same. My 554 did it yesterday and that was the first time it did it in about 4 months. At first I thought it might have something to do with the wired network and I've had that disconnceted since last spring. But it did it yesterday so I guess not.

I just found out there were two more freeze and auto-shutdowns today on the M501. It was power cycled prior to each of these. Just wondering now if it's worth getting another M501 to replace it, or whether to exchange it for something else. The picture and color performance on the Vizio is great but this repeated annoyance of it shutting itself off all the time is completely unacceptable.
post #6087 of 8756
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I just found out there were two more freeze and auto-shutdowns today on the M501. It was power cycled prior to each of these. Just wondering now if it's worth getting another M501 to replace it, or whether to exchange it for something else. The picture and color performance on the Vizio is great but this repeated annoyance of it shutting itself off all the time is completely unacceptable.
How are you checking this?
post #6088 of 8756
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Originally Posted by johndoejohndoes View Post

How are you checking this?

The TV image freezes and then the TV shuts itself off. I'm not sure what there is to check.
post #6089 of 8756
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

The TV image freezes and then the TV shuts itself off. I'm not sure what there is to check.
You said you just found out...as if you looked at a report or something?
post #6090 of 8756
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Originally Posted by KC-Technerd View Post

I just found out there were two more freeze and auto-shutdowns today on the M501. It was power cycled prior to each of these. Just wondering now if it's worth getting another M501 to replace it, or whether to exchange it for something else. The picture and color performance on the Vizio is great but this repeated annoyance of it shutting itself off all the time is completely unacceptable.

I don't know where you bought it and how much time you have but if you like the set I would try another one. Especially if you have a 90 day return to try it out. But, on the other hand, if there is another set that you like now would probably be the best time to buy it since the sales will be ending soon.

It's discouraging when you find something you really like and then have trouble with it. I like Vizio TVs very much, they have an excellent picture at a great price, but I have learned that they are really bad about updating their FW and fixing issues and adding features promised. I've been waiting 3 years for them to enable the Video Streaming on the 553 and 554 that they promised.

So one word of advise, if the TV doesn't have any features on it now that you want, don't hold you breath on them adding it with a FW update.
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