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I can tell you right now a 2-3 year old i7 struggles to transcode to 2 devices at once and causes stutter on a cat6 1gb network. Thats with direct storage to the i7. I have read several on the plexapp forums of people with i3's that expierance the same issue. It can handle 720p fine but big 1080p bluray rips stutter. Can you provide video proof of a 20+ gb bluray mkv playing fine over plex at the highest playback setting for transcoding on an i3 or lesser hardware? I have seen first hand it stutter smile.gif

No offense but i am not going to believe a blog site you run and write the articles on where you are trying to overcharge people hundreds of dollars for low end equipment for high end prices on what is the best options. Nobody else here has an agenda they are offering options and opinion's. Thanks for the input though.

You are not worth my time.
post #122 of 251
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do you think I can effecienctly use w7 or w8 with flexraid for up to 6 drives and just keep the os on an ssd?

Sure you can, that's what I'll be doing (with just a few more drives) soon

Currently all the disks are just attached (JBOD). I've got 8 sata ports on my mobo, one for optical and one for SSD. The remaining 6 to HDDs and a PCI add on for 4 more

Works fine, but I've been looking at flexraid for a while and it's a solid looking piece of software

Free alternatives would be multiples. Snapraid for parity and HDD Scan for smart monitoring and drive spin down. I don't really know about pooling, but I'm more trustworthy of flexraid now due to the overwhelming number of people on this forum who currently use it. Works fine in Windows or WHS, it was just the most cost efficient for me to bundle everything into my existing W7 box for now
post #123 of 251
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Originally Posted by TType85 View Post

My thoughs for the OP:
NAS = simplicity at extra cost. Low power draw, small size.
WHS = cheaper but more tweaking needed. The sky (and your wallet) is the limit.
HTPC/Server All-in-one = good way to do it if you need a HTPC. More functions in one box, less power draw and physical space than having multiple computers. LanLi makes some nice mATX cases that hold 7 drives, but they are not cheap. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112300

The one downside to having the HTPC and server AIO setup is if you are doing changes, rebooting, restarting things and you have a SO trying to listen to music or watch videos you may be in for some grief.

The noise factor with the HTPC working as a file server to is the main issue I can think of as well. My roomate has a few year old i7 that is loud as hell. my c2d dell laptop is also pretty damn loud. however I know the c2d series in general ran hot so they were pretty loud. Is the computer itself going to be the sound issue or the hard drives spinning? I saw some HTPC cases that look like receivers that will fit in my entertainment center.

- What advantage do I get from running WHS over w7/8? they can run the same raid software right? WHS might be an unnecessary license cost if I can run the same software.

- Will I use more or less power doing a synology with a rasperry PI type solution vs an HTPC/server all in one? and if all electronics are off but the HTPC/server will i hear it in the living room all the time humming along?

- Also will the home built NAS solution only running unraid or freenas use more power and be louder than a synology or will it be about the same?
post #124 of 251
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Sure you can, that's what I'll be doing (with just a few more drives) soon

Currently all the disks are just attached (JBOD). I've got 8 sata ports on my mobo, one for optical and one for SSD. The remaining 6 to HDDs and a PCI add on for 4 more

Works fine, but I've been looking at flexraid for a while and it's a solid looking piece of software

Free alternatives would be multiples. Snapraid for parity and HDD Scan for smart monitoring and drive spin down. I don't really know about pooling, but I'm more trustworthy of flexraid now due to the overwhelming number of people on this forum who currently use it. Works fine in Windows or WHS, it was just the most cost efficient for me to bundle everything into my existing W7 box for now

Yeah I mainly want to raid for one filesystem and to have a little bit of redundancy and failure acceptance. so if a drive DOES go bad I am not up a creek. So i guess its either windows 7/8 with some raid software, buying a syn or building a nas only running unraid/freenas. Not really sure what the best choice is. They really need to not have so many options smile.gif
post #125 of 251
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Originally Posted by djtoodles View Post

The noise factor with the HTPC working as a file server to is the main issue I can think of as well. My roomate has a few year old i7 that is loud as hell. my c2d dell laptop is also pretty damn loud. however I know the c2d series in general ran hot so they were pretty loud. Is the computer itself going to be the sound issue or the hard drives spinning? I saw some HTPC cases that look like receivers that will fit in my entertainment center.

- What advantage do I get from running WHS over w7/8? they can run the same raid software right? WHS might be an unnecessary license cost if I can run the same software.

- Will I use more or less power doing a synology with a rasperry PI type solution vs an HTPC/server all in one? and if all electronics are off but the HTPC/server will i hear it in the living room all the time humming along?

- Also will the home built NAS solution only running unraid or freenas use more power and be louder than a synology or will it be about the same?

Systems can be set up to be as loud or as quiet as you want. I usually strive for quiet. Bigger slower moving fans help. My HTPC you can hear if everything is off and you are less than 6-8 feet from it.

WHS has the stuff to backup other pc's on your network and can be set up so you can get to your media from outside your network. it's not a bad system.

Power draw will depend on what you set up. The newer i3/5/7 processors are pretty damn good for power savings vs the old core2 stuff. From what I can see, the 412+ is 55W with drives and rasberry pi seems like it can be run off almost nothing.

Home built nas will be about the same as the htpc, all depends on your choice of case/fans/etc. The 1812+ I have is pretty quiet, it's about the same as my HTPC.

Part of your decision has to come down to how comfortable are you putting this stuff together yourself? It's not hard to do but can be a bit daunting if you have never done it. Do you mind spending more time/money to change out fans or other parts to be satisfied?
post #126 of 251
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Originally Posted by TType85 View Post

Systems can be set up to be as loud or as quiet as you want. I usually strive for quiet. Bigger slower moving fans help. My HTPC you can hear if everything is off and you are less than 6-8 feet from it.

WHS has the stuff to backup other pc's on your network and can be set up so you can get to your media from outside your network. it's not a bad system.

Power draw will depend on what you set up. The newer i3/5/7 processors are pretty damn good for power savings vs the old core2 stuff. From what I can see, the 412+ is 55W with drives and rasberry pi seems like it can be run off almost nothing.

Home built nas will be about the same as the htpc, all depends on your choice of case/fans/etc. The 1812+ I have is pretty quiet, it's about the same as my HTPC.

Part of your decision has to come down to how comfortable are you putting this stuff together yourself? It's not hard to do but can be a bit daunting if you have never done it. Do you mind spending more time/money to change out fans or other parts to be satisfied?
building it is not an issue. I have built plenty of pc's and configured many of enterprise cisco routers and switches. So tedious confusing work is not a issue. I just want to do the best solution and least hassle once setup solution as possible. I want to just set it up enjoy it and not tinkle with it all the time, unless I am adding more drives/storage.

BTW props to so cal! smile.gif I am in south orange county myself.
post #127 of 251
Quiet is a somewhat artful approach to building

Just because your roomate had a computer running an i7 doesn't mean every i7 machine will be loud

If his was custom, the loudest part was probably an aftermarket cooler. Older Zalman, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, etc coolers weren't power-management capable. (Can't remember if this is referred to as APM or PWM) but motherboards and newer heatsinks (including the stock Intel coolers) have 4 pin connections. The older 3 pin coolers still connect, but run 100% all the time. Newer 4 pin coolers are controlled by mobo bios settings to a target temperature or fan speed and they are much quieter.

Clarkdale era motherboards still had some fan-cooled chipsets as well. These are the WORST, since they are typically 10-15 mm fans that run at high rpms

Slot cooled graphics cards take a bad rap for being loud, and they can be but not always the loudest thing in the case.

A PSU with a 140mm fan is going to make everything a lot quieter as well.

Other related things, are vibration and resonance from HDDs. The noise from this is often blamed on other components since it's not as easy to detect

Cases like the HAF-X permit a lot of escaping sounds from your components compared to the Antec sonata or even the Antec 300

There are several tangible benefits to WHS listed within the pages of this thread, but they aren't enough for me to build a dedicated server just yet. If you already have the W7 license it's pretty much a no-brainer
post #128 of 251
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Quiet is a somewhat artful approach to building

Just because your roomate had a computer running an i7 doesn't mean every i7 machine will be loud

If his was custom, the loudest part was probably an aftermarket cooler. Older Zalman, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, etc coolers weren't power-management capable. (Can't remember if this is referred to as APM or PWM) but motherboards and newer heatsinks (including the stock Intel coolers) have 4 pin connections. The older 3 pin coolers still connect, but run 100% all the time. Newer 4 pin coolers are controlled by mobo bios settings to a target temperature or fan speed and they are much quieter.

Clarkdale era motherboards still had some fan-cooled chipsets as well. These are the WORST, since they are typically 10-15 mm fans that run at high rpms

Slot cooled graphics cards take a bad rap for being loud, and they can be but not always the loudest thing in the case.

A PSU with a 140mm fan is going to make everything a lot quieter as well.

Other related things, are vibration and resonance from HDDs. The noise from this is often blamed on other components since it's not as easy to detect

Cases like the HAF-X permit a lot of escaping sounds from your components compared to the Antec sonata or even the Antec 300

There are several tangible benefits to WHS listed within the pages of this thread, but they aren't enough for me to build a dedicated server just yet. If you already have the W7 license it's pretty much a no-brainer

Yeah and I have 0 interest in backing up any pc's. I can already setup a rule to access any pc in the house offsite as I already do with XBMC and such. So thats not really anything for me to worry about. I just need it to serve up files and possibly run XBMC as well depending on which option i choose. I am starting to lean more towards the HTPC + NAS. worse case scenario with that is I can pull the drive and throw them into a lesser made PC or synology and use the PC to transcode plex....

as far as my roomates i7, it is custom built. I am not sure much beyond that I just know roughly when he built it. I know its not a sandy though. I believe it was shortly after the i7's came out. so whatever they were then.
post #129 of 251
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Originally Posted by djtoodles View Post

The noise factor with the HTPC working as a file server to is the main issue I can think of as well. My roomate has a few year old i7 that is loud as hell...
Core i7's don't make noise, fans and HDDs make noise smile.gif Perhaps there is a problem with one of his fans.
I just built a Core i7 3770S/DH77DF system and when I am only lightly using the system such as typing this reply on AVS the fan comes to a full stop and the CPU stays below 50' C. While transcoding 1080p video with 4c/8t at over 80% utilization the CPU fan is still very quiet. With current Intel CPUs, unless you are overclocking and have a high end video card I believe it is actually somewhat difficult to make a system that is "loud as hell".
post #130 of 251
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Originally Posted by user4avsforum View Post

Core i7's don't make noise, fans and HDDs make noise smile.gif Perhaps there is a problem with one of his fans.
I just built a Core i7 3770S/DH77DF system and when I am only lightly using the system such as typing this reply on AVS the fan comes to a full stop and the CPU stays below 50' C. While transcoding 1080p video with 4c/8t at over 80% utilization the CPU fan is still very quiet. With current Intel CPUs, unless you are overclocking and have a high end video card I believe it is actually somewhat difficult to make a system that is "loud as hell".
I guess it also depends on what each person considers as loud. To me being 6' away and hearing fans is loud. That's the only thing I am afraid of. My original thought was a Mac mini and a synology. But that is a pricey setup. The Mac mini was mostly because they are nearly silent.
post #131 of 251
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Question guys.. if I go with this case. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811204037

should I even get micro atx? or should I go with a normal atx board? which uses less power or is it the same? Seems like that case takes any size mb.
post #132 of 251
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Originally Posted by djtoodles View Post

Question guys.. if I go with this case. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811204037

should I even get micro atx? or should I go with a normal atx board? which uses less power or is it the same? Seems like that case takes any size mb.

The power difference between a atx and matx is negligible. I would go for whichever board you find with the features you are looking for, ATX will have potentially more expansion options (e.g. room for a better video card, multiple cable card tuners, etc).
post #133 of 251
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Originally Posted by TType85 View Post

The power difference between a atx and matx is negligible. I would go for whichever board you find with the features you are looking for, ATX will have potentially more expansion options (e.g. room for a better video card, multiple cable card tuners, etc).
Yeah i doubt I really need any of that. Possibly a wifi or tv tuner. That's it. That onboard video is the intel 4000 should be fine for an htpc.
post #134 of 251
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Quiet is a somewhat artful approach to building

Just because your roomate had a computer running an i7 doesn't mean every i7 machine will be loud

If his was custom, the loudest part was probably an aftermarket cooler. Older Zalman, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, etc coolers weren't power-management capable. (Can't remember if this is referred to as APM or PWM) but motherboards and newer heatsinks (including the stock Intel coolers) have 4 pin connections. The older 3 pin coolers still connect, but run 100% all the time. Newer 4 pin coolers are controlled by mobo bios settings to a target temperature or fan speed and they are much quieter.

Clarkdale era motherboards still had some fan-cooled chipsets as well. These are the WORST, since they are typically 10-15 mm fans that run at high rpms

Slot cooled graphics cards take a bad rap for being loud, and they can be but not always the loudest thing in the case.

A PSU with a 140mm fan is going to make everything a lot quieter as well.

Other related things, are vibration and resonance from HDDs. The noise from this is often blamed on other components since it's not as easy to detect

Cases like the HAF-X permit a lot of escaping sounds from your components compared to the Antec sonata or even the Antec 300

There are several tangible benefits to WHS listed within the pages of this thread, but they aren't enough for me to build a dedicated server just yet. If you already have the W7 license it's pretty much a no-brainer
I use a haf-x for my htpc, it is whisper quiet. Well, it was until a fan bearing started going out. I have definitely owned cases that had issues with hdd noise, they are normally cheap light and flimsy. Cases can be built light and sturdy.
post #135 of 251
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Originally Posted by djtoodles View Post

Question guys.. if I go with this case. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811204037

should I even get micro atx? or should I go with a normal atx board? which uses less power or is it the same? Seems like that case takes any size mb.

There's no real stats on motherboard power draw unless someone tests it. A lot of motherboards seem to overvolt the memory, nb and cpu right out the door. More features normally means more power though. YMMV

Having a separate NAS/unraid/whs box with an extremely low tdp processor will draw less power than an overpowered htpc. You just put your htpc into standby or turn it off when you are not using it. You might save some money by doing a single box(mainly b/c of your brand preferences) but solving the issues of noise and heat could be troublesome, especially b/c you want it whisper quiet.
post #136 of 251
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There's no real stats on motherboard power draw unless someone tests it. A lot of motherboards seem to overvolt the memory, nb and cpu right out the door. More features normally means more power though. YMMV

Having a separate NAS/unraid/whs box with an extremely low tdp processor will draw less power than an overpowered htpc. You just put your htpc into standby or turn it off when you are not using it. You might save some money by doing a single box(mainly b/c of your brand preferences) but solving the issues of noise and heat could be troublesome, especially b/c you want it whisper quiet.
yeah seems the htpc + file server may be the best option power wise. Not sure I can get it quiet though. I found everything minus the MB so far. is the intel fan that comes with the CPU quiet enough? its an ivy bridge 3570.
post #137 of 251
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how does this build look for an HTPC and fileserver combo? The case I will have to get from newegg as I cant find anything on amazon. the case I was thinking is the newegg link. If anyone knows where I can find any parts cheaper or better options let me know. I am in california so a site that doesnt charge tax would be nice smile.gif

http://i.imgur.com/Bs2VMyR.png

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811204037
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Build looks good. I would check out micro center in tustin, the CPU is at least $30 cheaper there. Not sure if they carry that motherboard but if they do you can save another $40 buying a combo.
post #139 of 251
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Just got the new ad from them today, they upped the 3570k back to $189

That's BS !!!!

lol...biggrin.gif
post #140 of 251
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Originally Posted by TType85 View Post

What is one of the free software that does drive pooling?

Stepping down to the 775 setup or that norco alternative can be cheap but you will pay for it in electricity. I am constantly in Tier 4 which is 30c kWh in the winter months.

The 412+ that the OP was looking at can be expanded with either 2 or 5 more bays using an expansion unit. Performance wise I have not seen a difference between running what I run on the 1812+ vs on my local machine. Most of the stuff happens in the background and if something takes an extra 30 sec to unrar, I won't notice it. If you get in to transcoding video all that goes out the door, Atom CPU doesn't have the power.

The NAS option is not cheaper, but depending on what you are looking to do you can't say it's not better. A leatherman has a screwdriver in it, but I wouldn't want to put my computer together with it.

My thoughs for the OP:
NAS = simplicity at extra cost. Low power draw, small size.
WHS = cheaper but more tweaking needed. The sky (and your wallet) is the limit.
HTPC/Server All-in-one = good way to do it if you need a HTPC. More functions in one box, less power draw and physical space than having multiple computers. LanLi makes some nice mATX cases that hold 7 drives, but they are not cheap. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112300

The one downside to having the HTPC and server AIO setup is if you are doing changes, rebooting, restarting things and you have a SO trying to listen to music or watch videos you may be in for some grief.

This was a great post. Very true. Well said.

You summed up the choices well, and obviously each person might value one thing over another.
post #141 of 251
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Originally Posted by djtoodles View Post

I can tell you right now a 2-3 year old i7 struggles to transcode to 2 devices at once and causes stutter on a cat6 1gb network. Thats with direct storage to the i7. I have read several on the plexapp forums of people with i3's that expierance the same issue. It can handle 720p fine but big 1080p bluray rips stutter. Can you provide video proof of a 20+ gb bluray mkv playing fine over plex at the highest playback setting for transcoding on an i3 or lesser hardware? I have seen first hand it stutter smile.gif

No offense but i am not going to believe a blog site you run and write the articles on where you are trying to overcharge people hundreds of dollars for low end equipment for high end prices on what is the best options. Nobody else here has an agenda they are offering options and opinion's. Thanks for the input though.

WOW.

Just WOW.

This is easily the most wrong and inaccurate thing I have read on AVS in a very long time.

I am not sure how to even address it.

Your wrong about CPU power and your wrong about Assassin.

CPU power is not the factor for the stutter. It's LAN speed or your upload internet connection speed. With a properly set up network and internet upload you can do it with a G630. I had one in my old server on a cheap $40 Asrock H61 motherboard and it worked fine.

I only upgraded the CPU because I used that CPU in another build. Even then I only got a G860. I have an i7 in my desktop that overclocks to 4..0ghz+ at click of a button. I have a 3570k in my HTPC. Trust me... I've owned all the CPU's first hand. Even a G620 will do it fine.

As for Assassin- Why you not trust someone who has spent years building HTPC's and tested most of the hardware out on the market ??? Seems like the best advice someone could get.
While everyone's value system is different- there's a ton of value in Assassin products that your not able to get from other places. That alone makes it worth it for many. You don't have to agree but you should be respectful. Posts like this make you seem like a jerk- and no one wants to help a jerk. You just hurt yourself.
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You are not worth my time.

Probably not.
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Originally Posted by djtoodles View Post

The noise factor with the HTPC working as a file server to is the main issue I can think of as well. My roomate has a few year old i7 that is loud as hell. my c2d dell laptop is also pretty damn loud. however I know the c2d series in general ran hot so they were pretty loud. Is the computer itself going to be the sound issue or the hard drives spinning? I saw some HTPC cases that look like receivers that will fit in my entertainment center.

- What advantage do I get from running WHS over w7/8? they can run the same raid software right? WHS might be an unnecessary license cost if I can run the same software.

- Will I use more or less power doing a synology with a rasperry PI type solution vs an HTPC/server all in one? and if all electronics are off but the HTPC/server will i hear it in the living room all the time humming along?

- Also will the home built NAS solution only running unraid or freenas use more power and be louder than a synology or will it be about the same?

Your roomates i7 makes noise because it was built poorly by an amateur. It's clearly set up wrong. I have an i7 that is whisper quiet. As is my HTPC with i5. It's in my bedroom and not far from my head. I can't hear thing. I sit right next to my desktop.

Noise is all about HDD's, and fan speed. Quiet fans (yes you can actually buy these) and tactics to reduce fan speed result in near silent operations.

For me- I like having a server with tons of fans and HHD's and being able to put that in a place where the noise doesn't matter. Then my SSD only HTPC is whisper quiet. My HTPC is in an ANTEC300 case. Asrock Z77 + 3570k. Single MAX IOPS 120SSD.
I run the fans on low- and use the motherboard fan controller to keep RPM low. You can't hear a thing.

With my server- It looks like my HTPC has locally installed 20TB hard drive (my server) with a mapped network drive. So I have unlimited storage with no noise.

Combining things into one- or making sacrifices out of fear and ignorance is a mistake.

Your PC does not have to be loud. The advantage to having a server is you can remove much of the noise from the PC.

Your advantages of WHS was listed clearly earlier in this thread- and there is a thread running on that now. There is much WHS offers over W7, including a lower price.

Your power draw is related to your hardware- so while an all in one is going to use more power than a NAS box- if your already running the HTPC all in one anyways- the additional HDD's and software settings are going to use much less than a seperate NAS box.

NAS box vs HTPC/PC/SERVER = NAS USES LESS POWER.

but,

Assuming your going to have a PC/HTPC/SERVER running anyways--- the additional power draw of adding the HDD's and using that machine for the storage too is much less than a NAS BOX.

HDD's might add 10 watts each. It's not very much until you start to get into 10+ HDD's I would not worry about that much. HDD's use the same power if they are in a NAS box or a PC. So the only difference is the PC uses a little more power simply because it's much more powerful and can do much more.

You'd be surprised how little power a WHS server needs with only a few drives. I would guess (4) 3TB (9TB POOL + PARITY) on a simply Sandy Bridge would amaze you how little power it ran with a single CPU fan on cool and quiet and one single 120mm cooling fan on low speed RPM.

The difference in power is insignificant. It's almost nothing. It might cost you a few dollars. Who cares ??? It's a small price to pay for the advantages you get if you desire them.

Assassin actually put that GOLIATH SERVER on a killawatt and measured the power draw. As did Flocko. But since you insulted him I doubt he will share with you that information. That just goes back to the point of why would you not value the advice of someone who actually does this all the time and tests it out first hand ???
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Your roomates i7 makes noise because it was built poorly by an amateur. It's clearly set up wrong. I have an i7 that is whisper quiet. As is my HTPC with i5. It's in my bedroom and not far from my head. I can't hear thing. I sit right next to my desktop.

Noise is all about HDD's, and fan speed. Quiet fans (yes you can actually buy these) and tactics to reduce fan speed result in near silent operations.

For me- I like having a server with tons of fans and HHD's and being able to put that in a place where the noise doesn't matter. Then my SSD only HTPC is whisper quiet. My HTPC is in an ANTEC300 case. Asrock Z77 + 3570k. Single MAX IOPS 120SSD.
I run the fans on low- and use the motherboard fan controller to keep RPM low. You can't hear a thing.

With my server- It looks like my HTPC has locally installed 20TB hard drive (my server) with a mapped network drive. So I have unlimited storage with no noise.

Combining things into one- or making sacrifices out of fear and ignorance is a mistake.

Your PC does not have to be loud. The advantage to having a server is you can remove much of the noise from the PC.

Your advantages of WHS was listed clearly earlier in this thread- and there is a thread running on that now. There is much WHS offers over W7, including a lower price.

Your power draw is related to your hardware- so while an all in one is going to use more power than a NAS box- if your already running the HTPC all in one anyways- the additional HDD's and software settings are going to use much less than a seperate NAS box.

NAS box vs HTPC/PC/SERVER = NAS USES LESS POWER.

but,

Assuming your going to have a PC/HTPC/SERVER running anyways--- the additional power draw of adding the HDD's and using that machine for the storage too is much less than a NAS BOX.

HDD's might add 10 watts each. It's not very much until you start to get into 10+ HDD's I would not worry about that much. HDD's use the same power if they are in a NAS box or a PC. So the only difference is the PC uses a little more power simply because it's much more powerful and can do much more.

You'd be surprised how little power a WHS server needs with only a few drives. I would guess (4) 3TB (9TB POOL + PARITY) on a simply Sandy Bridge would amaze you how little power it ran with a single CPU fan on cool and quiet and one single 120mm cooling fan on low speed RPM.

The difference in power is insignificant. It's almost nothing. It might cost you a few dollars. Who cares ??? It's a small price to pay for the advantages you get if you desire them.

Assassin actually put that GOLIATH SERVER on a killawatt and measured the power draw. As did Flocko. But since you insulted him I doubt he will share with you that information. That just goes back to the point of why would you not value the advice of someone who actually does this all the time and tests it out first hand ???
Thank you for this write up. Your home htpc is the same CPU I was looking to build. Adding in the hdds (likely 3 to start for the file server side) and an ssd for the OS (win7/8 since I can get a free license). You think I can get it pretty close to whisper quiet with the case I have above?

Also tyype I think mentioned microcenter (on my phone pain to scroll this site)... They don't have that CPU in stock frown.gif or else I would go there. Amazon seems the cheapest place for everything minus case. And I picked a green psu assuming it should cut noise down will the power supply be enough watts?

Is there any other online sites to look besides newegg, amazon and microcenter. I am over frys everything I have got there sucks.
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my 3570k is very quiet. I use a stock intel cooler. I don't ever push this CPU to anything near what it can do... I just play movies so it never overheats. If your overlocking, or gaming you might consider an upgrade on the cooler.

If your board has a fan control and temp sensors you can set the fan speed low, and only run high if the CPU is over the temp threshold you designate.

I do this.

But since I have a big well cooled case (ANTEC300) by HTPC standards--- It's a non issue. My HTPC is always cool and quiet.

Smaller cases are more challenging to get quiet- because they have smaller fans that must spin faster. They spin faster because it's harder to cool a small case- and a smaller fan needs to spin faster than a big fan to move enough air.

For me- the big fans on low speeds are totally silent. I use this method. I'd rather a few 120mm fans spinning under 1000rpm- than a few 80mm fans running full. The bigger fans are much quieter.

Just pick your case and fans properly and you will be fine. NO CPU MAKES ANY NOISE. All the noise is in your fans- (including your PSU) and your HDD's
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my 3570k is very quiet. I use a stock intel cooler. I don't ever push this CPU to anything near what it can do... I just play movies so it never overheats. If your overlocking, or gaming you might consider an upgrade on the cooler.

If your board has a fan control and temp sensors you can set the fan speed low, and only run high if the CPU is over the temp threshold you designate.

I do this.

But since I have a big well cooled case (ANTEC300) by HTPC standards--- It's a non issue. My HTPC is always cool and quiet.

Smaller cases are more challenging to get quiet- because they have smaller fans that must spin faster. They spin faster because it's harder to cool a small case- and a smaller fan needs to spin faster than a big fan to move enough air.

For me- the big fans on low speeds are totally silent. I use this method. I'd rather a few 120mm fans spinning under 1000rpm- than a few 80mm fans running full. The bigger fans are much quieter.

Just pick your case and fans properly and you will be fine. NO CPU MAKES ANY NOISE. All the noise is in your fans- (including your PSU) and your HDD's
any recommendations of a whisper quiet psu fan? I wonder If i can get away with just a cpu fan and no case fans. Might be an issue once I add 5-6 hdds though.
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any recommendations of a whisper quiet psu fan? I wonder If i can get away with just a cpu fan and no case fans. Might be an issue once I add 5-6 hdds though.

It might be a good idea asking what the drawbacks are to installing Flexraid in this way... You are going to have trouble doing your build in this way I wouldn't complicate things further by trying to do it without case fans.
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It might be a good idea asking what the drawbacks are to installing Flexraid in this way... You are going to have trouble doing your build in this way I wouldn't complicate things further by trying to do it without case fans.

Caseless fans are good for bigger cases and SSD only builds.

With HDDs or a small case you'll need a case fan for proper cooling.

At least one intake and one outtake.

I find towers perform way better than HTPC cases at cooling. The top exhaust and bottom intake seems like a cheap high performing route.

Check out antec300. I grabbed one for my HTPC for 39$. It would make a worthy case for modest server with 5 HDDs.
Just move back fan to front HDD bays or add a 120mm silent nexus fan for your HDDs.

Case has fan speed controls. On low it's really quiet.
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Caseless fans are good for bigger cases and SSD only builds.

With HDDs or a small case you'll need a case fan for proper cooling.

At least one intake and one outtake.

I find towers perform way better than HTPC cases at cooling. The top exhaust and bottom intake seems like a cheap high performing route.

Check out antec300. I grabbed one for my HTPC for 39$. It would make a worthy case for modest server with 5 HDDs.
Just move back fan to front HDD bays or add a 120mm silent nexus fan for your HDDs.

Case has fan speed controls. On low it's really quiet.
That case is too big frown.gif max width I can take in the spot in my entertainment center is 17.25"

Really undecided on the all in one of a nas server then using rasp pi's as players. those have no moving parts so they are silent.
post #150 of 251
The case you linked earlier is fine....
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