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post #121 of 620
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Is sound "muted" in the menu? (If you do not have a receiver hooked up for audio)

If you're running an HDMI cable - - video and audio should pass. If you have your receiver with your setup (and it's off) you should hear sound from the speakers - - provided it is not "muted" in the settings.

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Benq does not have a 30 day return policy as Amazon does:)

I asked bq about return policy andgot email answer saying the do have 30 day return.
post #122 of 620
Yah possibly they only lack a return policy on Refurbs, but not sure.
post #123 of 620
Just to let you guys know, my projector has shipped.
Projector People was just going to drop-ship one direct from BenQ, but BenQ had none available.
However, PP actually just received a shipment of 10 today, so Kirk (my sales rep) pulled one and gave me 3-day Air service at no charge.
So, I should be getting my projector on Friday smile.gif
post #124 of 620
Can anyone comment on the performance of this projector in a room with some ambient light? I am new to the projector scene, but planning a major basement renovation. The room is about 21 x 21, with 2 full double pane windows, on the rear and the right side of the room (near the rear). The closest window is about 14 feet away, and gets very little direct sunlight.

I am hoping to set the projector up about 6.5 ft back, with a screen size of 125", and a viewing distance of about 12 feet.

Should I be worried about the projector's performance in this environment?
post #125 of 620
Well, with any projector and ambient light, the image quality is reduced. It less noticeable when watching VERY bright content like Sports or the news (still very noticeable), but it's usually bearable. If watching TV shows or movies with even slightly darker filming methods, then the contrast will be very washed out in these scenes, no matter what when it comes to ambient light.

Cover the windows with some curtains or something, it's not hard.
post #126 of 620
Great update DivinityCycle!
We are waiting for a detailed review!!! biggrin.gif

Unfortunately for me I have to wait about 2 month to buy it in Europe! frown.gif

About the "minus the beard" question I agree with "coderguy".. these projectors must be used without ambient light or contrast will be very washed out and the image quality is very reduced. wink.gif
post #127 of 620
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Originally Posted by djufuk87 View Post

Great update DivinityCycle!
We are waiting for a detailed review!!! biggrin.gif

Unfortunately for me I have to wait about 2 month to buy it in Europe! frown.gif

About the "minus the beard" question I agree with "coderguy".. these projectors must be used without ambient light or contrast will be very washed out and the image quality is very reduced. wink.gif

+1 -- Sure, this projector is "bright." But as the other posters have said - - ambient light really does wash out the picture and especially black levels.

If you can, control the light in your viewing environment. Even though I have "off" white ceilings and half "off" white walls in my man cave in the basement (the rest covered with dark paneling) - - reducing the amount of ambient light really improves the picture. I even put up a curtain to block the minimal light coming from the back doorway like entrance to my HT room. It really does make a difference.

This is my first projector and I've been very, very happy with it. Since it's so bright - - even with a totally darkened room - - you can move around and see things due to the reflection from the screen.
post #128 of 620
I installed my projector and did a rough install of my screen last night.
As a projector n00b, I have to put in the cliche "OMG ITS AWESOME" reaction everyone puts in. Humans are smart but are still not too far from animals, so something as simple and primal as "IT IS REALLY BIG!" still sparks quite a reaction.

I ended up doing a 120" diag. 16:9 display. To pull this off I am using roughly 6 feet of throw distance. Our viewing distance is roughly 10 or 11 feet.
I had some fun getting things up and running at first (You gotta take the lense cap off!) but once I got the projector focused and dialed in on HDMI1, its been pretty smooth sailing.
I am actually writing this post on my computer hooked up to the projector. With the above-documented dimensions and my glasses giving me basically 20:20 vision I can easily read text and surf the web and stuff. XBMC using a nice skin on a screen this size is pretty incredible smile.gif

I am uncertain if its a placebo effect or if I can really "see" it, but it seems like I can tell the difference between 720P and 1080P BluRay rips on this display. This hasn't been annoying, and I'm certain that for a good and engaging film we won't care at all, just a thing I noticed. The Hobbit is STUNNING in 1080 on a 120" screen using this projector!!!!

Also, for you gaming people, I played Injustice: Gods Among Us on this setup for like 4 hours. Pretty cool game, story mode is really something if you're a DC Comics fan. Given that Injustice is a fighting game, lag is a pretty important thing, and I am not noticing any. This projector doesn't seem to have any fancy post-processing features that would slow down the image, and the DLP TV I used to play on also had no lag, so I'm not surprised. Basically, if you're wondering if this projector is good for gaming, I'd say yes.

As I have posted previously, I am a noise-sensitive guy (I just have good / sensitive hearing). As I have no other projectors to compare it to, I'd say the easiest comparable sound to the BenQ W1080ST is probably the original "fat" Xbox 360 cooling system. From looking at the unit, it looks like this projector is equipped with at least 2 fans that are somewhere on the order of 60 to 80 mm. As a result, they have the same sort of pitch and timbre as the 360's fans. With the projector on SmartEco it sounds like a 360 sitting idle. Its not LOUD, but it is in a relatively noticeable frequency range, and I am picky about this crap, so I'll probably end up building my imagined ottoman / hushbox / storage piece. For the way the geometry works out in this room, I'd really like to keep the projector precisely where it is but also would like to have a fully available coffee table space for placing drinks and stuff, plus I REALLY like the idea of having a piece of furniture right there to store game controllers and stuff. The noise is NOT terrible by any means, and is easily covered up by movie / game sound. However, I'm a crazy tinkerer. For the Xbox 360 I actually took the stock cooling system out and installed a 200 mm fan on the side, then replaced the cooling fan in the power supply with a silent 80mm, so now my 360 is so quiet you can hear the HDD accessing, which I LOOOOOOVE.

All in all I am very pleased, as this projector is cheap for a projector, but still a lot of money, so I was worried it wouldn't work out for some reason.

I don't have a good still camera at the moment but I was planning on shooting some 1080P footage of the room in action on my GoPro, which generally does a pretty good job of giving you a nice sharp HD image. My next step before that is to build out a wooden frame for my screen material, since I now have my "final" image dimensions smile.gif This projector ROCKS!
post #129 of 620
How do you think the pixel structure would look on a 106" screen at 8 feet? Are you seeing and screen door effect from your seating distance? I would imagine 120" at 10-11' is pretty comparable to 106" at 8'.
post #130 of 620
I sit about 8 to 9 feet from a 106" screen, with an LCOS projector you can't really see the pixel-fill from here. With a DLP, you're right on the CUSP, you can see it a TINY TEENY bit if you look for it, but it's certainly not horrible.
Any closer and it starts becoming an issue.
post #131 of 620
Just curious, what is the pixel structure difference between 3 LCD and DLP? I have owned projectors of both types in the past and never really realized there could be a difference.
post #132 of 620
I read the review of PCmag ( http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417441,00.asp ) and I'm worried about 3 points (in order of relevance):

1) The 3D is 144hz and not 120hz

- This is not a big problem.. but I have to change all my actual 3d glasses. The w1080st can't work also @120hz??? The 144hz for 3D are mandatories?

2) In this review they say that the rainbow effect can be annoying.

- Unfortunately I see the rainbow effect. Is not very annoying for me, but however I can see it. In many others reviews I understood that the rainbow effect is not noticeable in this VPR, but in this review they sayd the opposite. Who's right?

3) In this review they say that there vis a problem to use this VPR woth a PC with the HDMi connection (my case!!!)

I'm using the VPR just with the computer (blu ray, TV, all is managed by the pc). And I have an ATI HD6850, that actually is working perfectly with my optoma VPR (always DLP, but with the 3D @120hz).
They don't say what graphic card are using, but I think that is a PCmag fault. Anyone have tried the VPR with the PC?


Any w1080st holder may make these things clear? biggrin.gif
Many thanks!
post #133 of 620
I'm unclear why using a "PC" hooked up to this projector via HDMI would be a problem.
I have mine hooked to my Onkyo receiver and my computer and Xbox 360 both look great, I have had no problems, as all the sources and the Onkyo are all set up for 1080P resolution.

From the article:

"I encountered one setup issue that you might consider either critical or irrelevant, depending on how you plan to use the projector. Despite working without a problem at its native 1,920 by 1,080 resolution with a Blu-ray player and with a computer over an analog (VGA) connection, the W1080ST wouldn't work properly in my tests with a computer using a digital (HDMI) connection. Given that BenQ says it should work, the issue may be related to the specific graphics card in the system I used for testing. However, any number of other projectors—including the BenQ W1070—has worked with the same graphics card without problems."

I'm thoroughly unimpressed with the review, given that he doesn't say WHAT the problem is, just "it doesn't work properly". This is about as useful as saying "It runs good!" As you pointed out, he also says "Oh maybe its my graphics card." without actually saying WHAT the graphics card is, again making this paragraph worthless. Maybe its the card? Maybe its the drivers? Did he test another computer with the W1080ST? We don't know...
post #134 of 620
I agree, as i wrote, in my opinion is a PCmag fault!! rolleyes.gif
They also say:
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However I saw lots of rainbow artifacts and a moderate level of 3D-related motion artifacts.

- The rainbow effect in all the other reviews is not reported
- 3D motion artifacts? What do they mean?!?!

My only dubt now is about the 3D refresh rate.
If I understood correctly:

- If i'm using the PC as source I can work at 1920x1080 @120hz and I can use my actual 3D glasses
- if the source is a blu ray with SBS 1920x1080 @24hz the VPR will work with the motion compensation but with a refresh of 144hz (and I need the benq glasses @144hz. the D3 glasses should be the best).
- If the source is a blu ray with SBS 1920x1080 @24hz and we convert it to frame packing we lose the motion compensation but we can use the glasses @120hz.
post #135 of 620
Yeaaaaah its some great writing... I love that its an article from PC Mag and the guy says several times "If you're NOT planning on connecting it to a PC the it should be fine". Like, who ELSE will be reading "PC" Mag??!

Just out of curiosity, so the 120 Hz SBS format is basically running two 1080 60 FPS streams, with the frames synced up with the shutters, so that when the "right eye" frame is on screen, the left eye shutter is closed, and vice versa?
post #136 of 620
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Originally Posted by DivinityCycle View Post

Yeaaaaah its some great writing... I love that its an article from PC Mag and the guy says several times "If you're NOT planning on connecting it to a PC the it should be fine". Like, who ELSE will be reading "PC" Mag??!

ahahah yes, this is an epic fail!! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by DivinityCycle View Post

Just out of curiosity, so the 120 Hz SBS format is basically running two 1080 60 FPS streams, with the frames synced up with the shutters, so that when the "right eye" frame is on screen, the left eye shutter is closed, and vice versa?
Yes, you have described the 1920x1080 frame sequential 120hz:
The projector receive the images at the FULL resolution, but with double speed



Instead this is how the SBS work:



The Projector in this case receive the two images in the same frame, so work with HALF RESOLUTION (this method is used for example with SKY to reduce the bandwitdh)
post #137 of 620
I saw that PC mag review, but it didn't really sway me since there seems to be literally no other options for a 1080p short throw. I figured they just used the vga connection to a pc, maybe they didnt try an hdmi. Either way doesnt really matter to me as I prefer to use media players(I actually still really like my logitech revue) over a pc anyways. I ordered one this weekend from Amazon and got it yesterday. I am reasonably impressed.

I previously had a 73" mitsubishi DLP (2007) which i do still really like. I wanted something bigger, and was seriously considering a 80" sharp thinking i wouldn't be happy with a projector. Frankly I didn't even think a projector was an option considering my 8' ceilings and ceiling fan. The short throw was the only thing i could put in front/under my fan yet still have a large picture, with the amazon return policy and a 2000 savings over the sharp tv, figured i had to give it a try.

I ceiling mounted it about 5.5-6' away so im getting ~100 inch right now. I still need to do some tweaking as I am projecting off a bedsheet until i build a screen frame. I also might modify my fan a bit to get more screen size.

All the lights off it seems brighter than my dlp tv even at the MUCH larger size. Quality is just as good. All lights on it is view-able, but far more washed out and harder to view than my tv, as expected. The picture seems to focus well uniformly across the screen and at any zoom level(even the max). I do notice some geometric distortion in just one place, but i believe it is because my drywall isnt perfectly flat in one spot. Hopefully once i have a real screen I can judge a bit better. I also got the top rated peerless mount on amazon, I have to say it is awesome. I think this is a large part of why the focus and general shape of the image is so clear and square(i checked the test pattern with a level-I assume this is a valid check). It is very sturdy and had some easy adjustments to get the perfect placement.

I have not tested 3d as I dont have a blu-ray or ps3. Usually not a huge 3d fan, but i might get something just for laughs.

The short throw is a great feature. Frees up room to play games or walk in front of the screen, without casting a shadow. I see no disadvantage to it.

I watch a lot of tv, so i expect to put tons of hours on this thing. I only hope the bulbs have a decent life.
post #138 of 620
I couldn't find any hard data on the W1080ST but the 1070 bulbs are supposedly similar and are purported to last around 3500 hours.
If the "Eco" mumbo jumbo actually does help with bulb life, then would that reasonably mean we can expect to get a longer bulb life out of this projector?
post #139 of 620
Yeah, i seem to remember reading it was 3500/5000/6000 depending on the mode. I guess we will see how closely that holds up. I would be happy if it was as advertised.
post #140 of 620
Their marketing spec claims 3500=Normal, 5000=Eco, 6000=Smart-Eco but this makes little sense since Smart-Eco is actually much brighter than Eco and slightly brighter than Normal.

If anything the constant lamp ARC fluctuation from Smart-Eco will likely kill the lamp sooner.

Jason
post #141 of 620
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Originally Posted by DivinityCycle View Post

I installed my projector and did a rough install of my screen last night.
As a projector n00b, I have to put in the cliche "OMG ITS AWESOME" reaction everyone puts in. Humans are smart but are still not too far from animals, so something as simple and primal as "IT IS REALLY BIG!" still sparks quite a reaction.

I ended up doing a 120" diag. 16:9 display. To pull this off I am using roughly 6 feet of throw distance. Our viewing distance is roughly 10 or 11 feet.
I had some fun getting things up and running at first (You gotta take the lense cap off!) but once I got the projector focused and dialed in on HDMI1, its been pretty smooth sailing.
I am actually writing this post on my computer hooked up to the projector. With the above-documented dimensions and my glasses giving me basically 20:20 vision I can easily read text and surf the web and stuff. XBMC using a nice skin on a screen this size is pretty incredible smile.gif

I am uncertain if its a placebo effect or if I can really "see" it, but it seems like I can tell the difference between 720P and 1080P BluRay rips on this display. This hasn't been annoying, and I'm certain that for a good and engaging film we won't care at all, just a thing I noticed. The Hobbit is STUNNING in 1080 on a 120" screen using this projector!!!!

Also, for you gaming people, I played Injustice: Gods Among Us on this setup for like 4 hours. Pretty cool game, story mode is really something if you're a DC Comics fan. Given that Injustice is a fighting game, lag is a pretty important thing, and I am not noticing any. This projector doesn't seem to have any fancy post-processing features that would slow down the image, and the DLP TV I used to play on also had no lag, so I'm not surprised. Basically, if you're wondering if this projector is good for gaming, I'd say yes.

As I have posted previously, I am a noise-sensitive guy (I just have good / sensitive hearing). As I have no other projectors to compare it to, I'd say the easiest comparable sound to the BenQ W1080ST is probably the original "fat" Xbox 360 cooling system. From looking at the unit, it looks like this projector is equipped with at least 2 fans that are somewhere on the order of 60 to 80 mm. As a result, they have the same sort of pitch and timbre as the 360's fans. With the projector on SmartEco it sounds like a 360 sitting idle. Its not LOUD, but it is in a relatively noticeable frequency range, and I am picky about this crap, so I'll probably end up building my imagined ottoman / hushbox / storage piece. For the way the geometry works out in this room, I'd really like to keep the projector precisely where it is but also would like to have a fully available coffee table space for placing drinks and stuff, plus I REALLY like the idea of having a piece of furniture right there to store game controllers and stuff. The noise is NOT terrible by any means, and is easily covered up by movie / game sound. However, I'm a crazy tinkerer. For the Xbox 360 I actually took the stock cooling system out and installed a 200 mm fan on the side, then replaced the cooling fan in the power supply with a silent 80mm, so now my 360 is so quiet you can hear the HDD accessing, which I LOOOOOOVE.

All in all I am very pleased, as this projector is cheap for a projector, but still a lot of money, so I was worried it wouldn't work out for some reason.

I don't have a good still camera at the moment but I was planning on shooting some 1080P footage of the room in action on my GoPro, which generally does a pretty good job of giving you a nice sharp HD image. My next step before that is to build out a wooden frame for my screen material, since I now have my "final" image dimensions smile.gif This projector ROCKS!


Thanks for the comments. Sounds like you're a person with similar interests and questions/concerns as me! Congrats on your purchase.

I'm still looking myself; I've never owned a projector. I've had rear-projection Sony's and Mitsubishi's before. I'm interested in the BenQ because of the price point and the features (aren't we all?).

Apples-&-Oranges question: How would the picture quality of an entry-level digital projector (like this BenQ) compare to the picture quality of an entry-level rear projector? Sure, it'd be nice to "go bigger", but if I'm essentially getting the same picture quality as my 2-year-old Mitsubishi 65-inch 838 than I'm probably not doing myself any favors (in which case I should save up for something beefier like the Epson 5020e).

Glad to hear the lag was not noticeable in games. I have a TX-NR5010 receiver, so having an Onkyo myself, I should be in the same boat as you.
post #142 of 620
I wrote a bunch of stuff but then felt like I could sum it up a lot better in a few sentences, so here goes :P
I have previously used a 65" older model (2006/2007) 65" Mitsubishi DLP HDTV. However, the viewing distance and the content we used on the TV were never really optimum, and we never worried too much about stuff like "better get the 1080P rip of this movie". Everything was somewhere between "OK" and "great", but at 6 to 8 feet of viewing distance on a 65" display, you're not gonna see a big difference in 1080 vs 720.

I know there are image snobs out there who are like "OMG THE BLACKS NEED TO BE BLACKER!" and stuff, but I'm not one of those guys, so I don't feel super qualified to talk about picture quality in general.

I must say that owning a projector and using a 120" screen is pretty significantly different from owning a TV, even a "big" TV.
Biggest practical differences are:
-You gotta pay attention to your viewing conditions, and generally need it to be pretty dark in the room (which I was doing anyways)
-You gotta pay attention to your content, and will probably want to go for 1080P/highest quality versions of everything you do all the time.

The second one was a surprise to me even though it shouldn't be. When you're blowing up to such a giant picture, the difference between a 720P video and a 1080P video becomes somewhat apparent, even to non-imagephiles like myself. Also, I found that my attitude about content has changed. I guess my thinking is "Hey, I spent like $1100 on a projector and like $500 on surround sound, and like $100 on a screen, plus I have to keep the room just so and do all these things. If I'm doing all this because I want to get a big beautiful screen, I might as well put only the best looking stuff I possibly can get on that big beautiful screen."

The other thing is, I'm noticing that the "OMG ITS SO BIG!" effect is amazing for movies and TV shows. Like on the most recent episode of Doctor Who, there's a bit where they are floating in space through like an asteroid field around a glowing planet thing. That image in motion covering most of the wall and filling your field of vision is just like "HOLY CRAP!".
However, the same thing isn't actually always good for gaming. I believe this is down to the way games are designed. Essentially, most of the time you "need" to be able to see the whole screen, and when its big enough that you actually gotta rotate your eyes a bit to go from one corner to another, the resulting feeling is a little weird and off-putting. I haven't had a chance to play a lot of games, but both Injustice and Bit Trip Runner 2 felt a little weird. Since I presently just have my projector on the coffee table, I just scooted the table back, pushing my image size down a bit.
With a projector, you can do that!

I haven't yet played emulated games on my projector, and I'm really curious to see what its like to play like Nintendo 64 of SNES games on a big screen. I'll probably try that tonight and report results back ASAP.

Overall, I honestly can't imagine going back to a conventional television now that I have had it.
Its just too damned cool having what feels like your own personal movie theater, and pushing 1080P movies through it makes me giddy smile.gif
post #143 of 620
Great insights on the gaming side of things - I would think the screen would need to be noticeably smaller to not lose sight of what's going on (or get nauseous when playing in first-person).


Stupid question: is there any way to adjust the image on the BenQ itself? Like, a "zoom" function that can take the image from 120-inches to 60-inches with a press of a button on the remote, etc? For that matter, does such a function exist on any entry level (or even mid-level) projector?

I hadn't thought of the possible negative side effects of a huge image for gaming. And because the projector would be permanently attached to my ceiling, I better find out more information beforehand! LoL. cool.gif
post #144 of 620
this projector has a physical optical zoom which you cannot remotely control, and a digital zoom which you can. The digital zoom probably isnt the best for quality.

I dont believe either is going to have a 60-120 range. I think the optical can go 100-120 max.

Ive always find a bigger screen would make me sick on fps or other 3d games that have jerky movements, even my old 73 could mess me up pretty bad.
post #145 of 620
Checking to see everyone's firmware. Is 102 the most updated on the 1080st?
post #146 of 620
I just got my w1080st today and did a quick test projection against my heavily textured puke brown wall... apartments eh. I started with 75in diag and then increased to 90in diag. Huge!

It actually looks good even against the horrible wall condition. I also got a 100" manual elite screen (1.1 gain) that I'll be setting up this weekend. I can only assume it'll make things even better than the brown wall.

1.02 firmware out of the box.

Quick test material
PS3 - Avatar bluray (very eye catching, lots of pop)
Xbox - Halo 4 (No noticeable input lag)
Cable TV - 720p sci fi channel /food network (fine for the compressed signal that cable sends)

I don't notice any rainbows.

Has anyone else wall mounted a manual elite screen? Mine didn't come with any brackets or hardware... I assume I could go use wall anchors and screws?

I'll do more in depth test/calibrations this weekend once I get the screen up.
post #147 of 620
Great, thanks for the first feedback!

After the test with the 100" screen tell us also how is the black level and if you can see the "screen door"/pixeling effect! smile.gif
post #148 of 620
So, I still have been too busy goofing around with movies to do much gaming.
I DID find that there are hi-res texture packs available for a lot of Nintendo 64 games, so I played Mario Kart 64 single player in 1080P with some visual enhancements @ like 120 inches.
It was surprisingly not horrible to look at and I have hope that with some additional tweaks to the graphics I can get it looking even better.
When going around the banked turns then camera tilts over to the side and the effect on a big screen is pretty awesome. I will do some more serious gaming tests this weekend, but so far its actually proving to be pretty workable smile.gif
post #149 of 620
Any idea on where to find firmware updates via the BenQ site?

The BenQ W1070 site has ways around having to send the projector to BenQ for a firmware update. I'm not sure I'll do this - - but would like to know where to find the latest firmware update for the BenQ W1080ST.

P.S. - - I added an "ND2" filter to this PJ and the results are excellent! See write up in W1070 thread.

Best - Rico
post #150 of 620
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Any idea on where to find firmware updates via the BenQ site?

The BenQ W1070 site has ways around having to send the projector to BenQ for a firmware update. I'm not sure I'll do this - - but would like to know where to find the latest firmware update for the BenQ W1080ST.

P.S. - - I added an "ND2" filter to this PJ and the results are excellent! See write up in W1070 thread.

Best - Rico


There seems to be an uproar by one rookie poster on the 1070 thread because he suggested I use search to look for pics with nd2 filter on while in use and then said DON'T use search. Do you have any screen pics with and without filter? Just want to see the difference in light loss. That's all.
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