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post #211 of 370
I'm not sure which console to go with at this point. I currently have an Xbox, but I am not in any way against Sony. If Sony is to be focused more on games (if my understanding is correct), then I am leaning towards the ps4. I don't want kinect, social networking, television or any other features other than an awesome gaming machine.
post #212 of 370
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Originally Posted by d_m1010 View Post

I'm not sure which console to go with at this point. I currently have an Xbox, but I am not in any way against Sony. If Sony is to be focused more on games (if my understanding is correct), then I am leaning towards the ps4. I don't want kinect, social networking, television or any other features other than an awesome gaming machine.

If you haven't been keeping up, a lot of the Xbox people are jumping over to Sony for the next console. The PS4 seems to be the gamers' choice.

If you have Facebook, take a look at the comments on this Xbox One page for a laugh.
post #213 of 370
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

If you haven't been keeping up, a lot of the Xbox people are jumping over to Sony for the next console. The PS4 seems to be the gamers' choice.

If you have Facebook, take a look at the comments on this Xbox One page for a laugh.
No I haven't been keeping up,but from what I have read it does look like I will be heading back to Sony.
post #214 of 370
Looks like MS finally caved! I guess they when into crisis mode after the ps4 preorders were 2-1 in most retail stores that have reported it. Good for them, it took loger than I though but better late than never!
http://www.whathifi.com/news/microsoft-to-back-track-on-xbox-one-games-drm-and-always-online
post #215 of 370
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Looks like MS finally caved! I guess they when into crisis mode after the ps4 preorders were 2-1 in most retail stores that have reported it. Good for them, it took loger than I though but better late than never!
http://www.whathifi.com/news/microsoft-to-back-track-on-xbox-one-games-drm-and-always-online

After the backlash at just the rumors I'm surprised they announced it all. I guess they thought people would get over it quicker?

I'd love to know what pushed them over the edge on this.

I have pre-orders in for both new consoles since it doesn't cost me anything, but I may just end up dropping them both and waiting things out.
post #216 of 370
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Looks like MS finally caved! I guess they when into crisis mode after the ps4 preorders were 2-1 in most retail stores that have reported it. Good for them, it took loger than I though but better late than never!
http://www.whathifi.com/news/microsoft-to-back-track-on-xbox-one-games-drm-and-always-online

Had a feeling that was coming and I think the actual pre-order difference was likely far greater than 2-1.

Jason
post #217 of 370
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Originally Posted by Monger View Post

I'd love to know what pushed them over the edge on this.
Pre-order figures and a spiraling PR problem. Even the mainstream (non-gaming) media started publishing negative pieces. I think they hoped they'd just lose the gamer crowd. But clearly it was a bigger issue to more than just traditional "core" gamers.

Anyhow, all this confirms my original thinking: stick to PC for a couple more years until the water clears. Then jump in with cheaper prices, hardware and network improvements, and a clear picture of which (if any) manufacturer is worth my money.
post #218 of 370
I pre-ordered a PS4 as soon as they were up. I may not even buy any games. There's really nothing in the launch lineup that I'm going to play on console, still buying the PC version of BF4 and Watchdogs.

I was looking at laptops to run Rocksmith, and now the new version coming. Heard Asus has a headphone amp in their new ROG laptops. I just hate the bulkiness. I would settle for a "powerful enough to run this one game" system if I could get a headphone amp built in. Tried to find some general contact form for Asus on their website, but I can't find anything. It's all support contacts.

I'm hoping they might have a non gaming laptop coming soon with an amp.

Not really wanting to invest in an amp I'd have to cart around with the laptop.


I don't think I will ever find a laptop that has all the right points.
post #219 of 370
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Had a feeling that was coming and I think the actual pre-order difference was likely far greater than 2-1.

Jason

I'm sure it could be. My friend who works at best by in Winnipeg said the preorders were 4-1 for ps4 in Manitoba for bestbuy/futureshop. 2-1 is what most places are reporting but like you say, who really knows for sure. Amazon sold out of the ps4 day 1's in less than half the time as the x1's did. Though I'm happy that MS quit being douches and are doing what they should have been from the start. I wonder what kind of actual damage it really did to the brand though.....
post #220 of 370
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Well, it looks like I'm back on the PC bandwagon, at least for this Fall. I was excited about the Xbox One Family Plan, but with that now being toast, I just don't have much interest in either systems launch library.

Part of it was seeing a video of Next-Gen Madden. I watched this video of Next-Gen Madden, and for the first five minutes watching it, I thought they made a mistake and it was actually the 360 version. I didn't notice anything next-gen about it. Then they started to zoom in on some of the replays, and you could see that it was indeed the next-gen version, but to call it underwhelming would be a HUGE understatement. I saw that video on Tuesday evening, and it had me a bit depressed about next-gen, because the realization hit me that the difference is going to be very subtle, and not night and day. Then on Wednesday came the bombshell from Microsoft. I know that 99 percent of gamers see the Microsoft backtrack as one of the best things to ever happen to gaming, but for me it was a huge downer because the Family Plan got thrown out with the bath water.


Now, there isn't anything special about either system, and both can be judged on their launch games (or lack thereof). Personally, I think both of them have pretty craptacular launch lineups. Especially Sony. The loss of infamous to 2014 was a huge blow for Sony, because that game would have single-handedly guaranteed my purchase of a PS4. Now, neither console appears to have any sensational exclusives that I feel like I just can't live without. Sure, Dead Rising 3 might be interesting, Forza 5 might be good, Knack might be fun. But none of those games are system sellers in my book. Madden, had it looked amazing, could have been that game,but it appears that isn't going to be the case.

As far as I'm aware, all of these games are coming to PC this fall:

Watch Dogs
Battlefield 4
COD Ghosts
Fifa 14
NBA 2K14
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag


So, the only thing I'm missing out on, are a few lackluster exclusives. Big deal. In 2014, when either of these systems gets a real system selling game, then I'll jump on the bandwagon. For now, I'll just stick with the my underpowered PC, and see if I can get Watch Dogs to run at lower settings. Fifa 14 and NBA 2K14 should both run relatively decent on my system, if I lower a bunch of the settings.

I'm in a bit of a conundrum with the power of my PC. It's been two full years since I built my first gaming PC in many, many, many years. Here are the specs:

CPU = i5 2500k 3.3 GHZ 6MB Cache LGA1155
Motherboard = P8P67 R3 LGA 1155 P67
Ram = G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600
GPU = Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti SOC 1GB 256-bit GDDR5



Obviously, my PC is pretty ancient by today's standards. Most would say, just spend the $500 you were going to spend on "The Bone" on upgrades for your PC and you'll be fine. Well, the thing is, I still will be getting these next-gen consoles at some point in 2014, once some compelling software is actually available (infamous Second Son, Destiny, etc, etc). So, spending $500 on PC upgrades, just to cover me till mid 2014 is probably not a good idea, so I think I'll just try to survive with what I have. I've got a giant backlog anyways, so I'll live. (Plus my bank account will look much better smile.gif )
post #221 of 370
The latest hands-on with PS4 reported by Digital Foundry was not too encouraging. Most games were running at 1080p but only at 30fps and apparently Killzone struggled to maintain even a steady 30fps at that. I was really hoping for 60fps to be the target with next-gen but maybe that is unrealistic. Having gotten used to 60fps with my gaming PC, it is hard to go back to 30fps. I'm especially noticing this now going back and forth between Last of Us on PS3 and games on my PC.

I'm still planning on keeping my PS4 pre-order but now I'm not sure which launch games I will pick up for it. Probably stick with Watch Dogs and Arkham Origins on my PC. Hopefully they'll improve the performance with Killzone as that is the one launch game I am looking forward to. Fortunately the early reports were very positive in regards to Infamous Second Son so we'll have that to look forward to in 2014.
post #222 of 370
Yeah, Watch Dogs, Arkham Origins and maybe AC4 are on my "probably day 1" list. I have both consoles on pre-order, and was hoping that the PS4 or XB1 could handle 1080p 60fps for all games. Too much to ask? I guess time will tell.

I think I could live with internal rendering below 1080, but I've gots to haves my 60fps. I'll probably get the PC versions if they come out before the next gen console version anyway.
post #223 of 370
Yeah, I'm well past you on Arkham Origins, having picked it up a week or two ago when GreenManGaming had it for Steam activation for $37.50 (which for what it's worth, is still available until later on the 21st.). biggrin.gif

(Though I am slightly concerned that the new developers might stick TOO closely to RockSteady's formula where it'll feel like a rehash.)

Watch Dogs looks to me like one of those games that could be a huge success.... or it could end up being overhyped garbage. It almost feels like it's going to be one of those things that there's not going to be a middle ground on... though I'm of course hoping for the former.
post #224 of 370
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Originally Posted by d_m1010 View Post

I'm not sure which console to go with at this point. I currently have an Xbox, but I am not in any way against Sony. If Sony is to be focused more on games (if my understanding is correct), then I am leaning towards the ps4. I don't want kinect, social networking, television or any other features other than an awesome gaming machine.

I don't know how any more focused they could be on games to tell you the truth. Looking at the exclusive line up on the PS3 for the rest of 2013/14 is pretty nuts.

Just depends what kind of games and exclusives you're most into I suppose. Upgrading their controller seems to be the best change for PS4 (better grip / better precision).
post #225 of 370
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Originally Posted by vpn75 View Post

The latest hands-on with PS4 reported by Digital Foundry was not too encouraging. Most games were running at 1080p but only at 30fps and apparently Killzone struggled to maintain even a steady 30fps at that. I was really hoping for 60fps to be the target with next-gen but maybe that is unrealistic. Having gotten used to 60fps with my gaming PC, it is hard to go back to 30fps. I'm especially noticing this now going back and forth between Last of Us on PS3 and games on my PC.

Got to give it some time it seems.

There's still time to optimize their games, but moreover I'm wondering if there’s going to be growing pains porting their engines from PS3 (which was a PPC architecture). I highly doubt any of the Developers we saw built X86 engines from scratch yet, and even Naughty Dog mentioned they won’t be rebuilding their engine from scratch, but repurposing it for next Gen.

For example QD said their Sorcerers demo was done in 6 months only using the existing PS3 pipeline and developer tools. It apparently was between 30-90FPS, but it probably was the show stealer as far as graphics went.

Seems to me the test will be the first round of Next Gen 3rd party titles/engines nativly developed on X86. DICE said they’re aiming for 1080P60 on the XBone, so I think that should be pretty telling.
post #226 of 370
Giantbomb podcast said ALL games they saw were terrible performance wise on both platforms. Choppy framerates etc. and almost everything was running on PCs even if they had the boxes in the room. Still way too early to get in on that stuff.
post #227 of 370
Cheap Ass Gamer podcast mentioned that many of the E3 demos they played had controller lag. They also said that of all the games that were shown only Destiny and Titanfall looked like anything that could be considered 'next gen'.

I hope they make the Xbox one controller for windows dongle small like a Logitech unifying reciever. Plug and forget.
post #228 of 370
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Originally Posted by Arcadia88 View Post

Cheap Ass Gamer podcast mentioned that many of the E3 demos they played had controller lag. They also said that of all the games that were shown only Destiny and Titanfall looked like anything that could be considered 'next gen'.

I hope they make the Xbox one controller for windows dongle small like a Logitech unifying reciever. Plug and forget.

I'd still be shocked if you need a dongle specific to the controller since it uses Wifi Direct, which Windows 7 and 8 both support, and Microsoft seems to be pushing harder for Wifi Direct in Windows 8.1. A small Wifi adapter (or internal Wifi) might be all you need.

(Plus, unlike the 360 controller, the One controller will be able to use a wired connection to communicate, so connecting microUSB should always be an option too.)
post #229 of 370
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

(Plus, unlike the 360 controller, the One controller will be able to use a wired connection to communicate, so connecting microUSB should always be an option too.)

For clarification, the wired 360 controllers work great on a PC via USB. The wireless 360 controllers need to be paired with a dongle, because the USB wire is charging-only - no data.
post #230 of 370
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Originally Posted by DaverJ View Post

For clarification, the wired 360 controllers work great on a PC via USB. The wireless 360 controllers need to be paired with a dongle, because the USB wire is charging-only - no data.

Sorry, yes, that's what I was referring to.
post #231 of 370
How is the range of wifi direct compared to the current rf solution? I'd imagine it depends on bandwidth, but it seems like it would be longer for a controller.

I'm also interested to see if they could get decent support for the DS4. The touchpad would eliminate the need to have my keyboard around to launch games.
Edited by Monger - 6/21/13 at 1:15pm
post #232 of 370
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Giantbomb podcast said ALL games they saw were terrible performance wise on both platforms. Choppy framerates etc. and almost everything was running on PCs even if they had the boxes in the room. Still way too early to get in on that stuff.


Yeah, it sounds like this launch is going to be pretty lame overall. All the games are going to have a rushed feeling to them.

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They also said that of all the games that were shown only Destiny and Titanfall looked like anything that could be considered 'next gen'.

Yep, it just seems like the jump from PS3 to PS4 and 360 to XB1 is going to be the most mild console jump in the history of video games, which is really amazing when you consider that this generation has been longer than any previous in history. What the heck happened to Moore's Law ?
post #233 of 370
Moores's law kept going. Just not in the consoles. xbox 360 had some 300 million transistors. Double that every 18 months for 8 years and the xbox 1 should have close to 20 billion transistors rather than the 5 they advertise. Lets see thats 2 Nvidia Titans at 7 Billion plus 2 Intel Haswell's at 1.4 Billion. That should do it. smile.gif
Edited by Arcadia88 - 6/21/13 at 2:05pm
post #234 of 370
Titanfall is not wowing me. It looks like a 360 game to me.

Destiny, Watchdogs and Division are my 3 most anticipated games.
post #235 of 370
IMHO Destiny looks the most next gen from what I've seen and The Division plays the most next gen. I'm not wowed by Watch Dogs, it looks like GTA. I'll still be buying them,
post #236 of 370
^^ tough room. smile.gif
post #237 of 370
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Titanfall is not wowing me. It looks like a 360 game to me.

Destiny, Watchdogs and Division are my 3 most anticipated games.
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Originally Posted by Arcadia88 View Post

Cheap Ass Gamer podcast mentioned that many of the E3 demos they played had controller lag. They also said that of all the games that were shown only Destiny and Titanfall looked like anything that could be considered 'next gen'.

I hope they make the Xbox one controller for windows dongle small like a Logitech unifying reciever. Plug and forget.

Titanfall next Gen?

They really must have a hardon for the old IW crew, cause the 1080P60 MP4 I grabbed and watched wasn't too impressive IMO. More space marines with mechs and jetpacks.... so essentially KZ2/3, but more gray and not as pretty. Not really impressed to tell you the truth. Gotta agree with Yrd. Add in inFamous:SS too... Suckerpunch has really nailed making a fun open world game that doesn't get dragged down in repetition.


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Yep, it just seems like the jump from PS3 to PS4 and 360 to XB1 is going to be the most mild console jump in the history of video games, which is really amazing when you consider that this generation has been longer than any previous in history. What the heck happened to Moore's Law ?

I think your memory fails you of just how far we've come just this generation. Go take a look at the 360/PS3 launch titles, compared to where they are today. It's almost a generation leap in of itself. The new consoles are position pretty well Spec wise to throw out some really nice next gen graphics, especially at their price point. That is unless you have $3K sitting around to build a beast rig. I don't.

Once again though we're going to essentially see "mid-generation" launch titles for the first 6-12 months as developers settle in. My hope is it's shorter this time around due to the change to PC like architecture and development tools / API's.


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Originally Posted by Arcadia88 View Post

Moores's law kept going. Just not in the consoles. xbox 360 had some 300 million transistors. Double that every 18 months for 8 years and the xbox 1 should have close to 20 billion transistors rather than the 5 they advertise. Lets see thats 2 Nvidia Titans at 7 Billion plus 2 Intel Haswell's at 1.4 Billion. That should do it. smile.gif

It's not how many transistors you have, but what you do with them! Seriously, transistor count is meaningless. XBone has between 20-40% more than PS4 due to the ESRAM on die, yet the PS4 is generally said to be the better Spec'd machine. Also, if you have a more efficient architecture, but have a lower transistor count than a high, less efficient setup; guess which wins? So, poor metric.
Edited by TyrantII - 6/21/13 at 4:27pm
post #238 of 370
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At first I thought Infamous Second Son was the most impressive next-gen game I've seen, but after seeing some recent gameplay video of it, I've now decided that it just looks like an Infamous game done on a nice PC. Like a PC port with everything up rezzed and made to look a bit better. I still think it looks decent, and I think the gameplay and atmosphere will be really cool, so I have no problems picking up a PS4 for that when it comes out, but everything else looks rather pedestrian. Sure, Division looked really cool because of having all the people in the game with you at the same time, but I'm not sure it's a graphical powerhouse. I need to see some in game, gameplay videos of it. Watch Dogs looks very polished. I think it will probably be the best game of this launch, but the PC version should be just as impressive, if not more so.
post #239 of 370
1. Going back to consoles. PS4.

2. "Double down" is a hideous marketing term that should not enter the lexicon of normal humans. Grr.
post #240 of 370
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^^ tough room. smile.gif

Just another FPS? I'm sure it's cool and all but it didn't show well for me. Destiny OTOH showed very well.
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