Where is my (our) Kuro replacement? - Page 8

You are presupposing a suspicion that doesn't exist, Glashub. I just found all the simultaneous bumping mildly amusing.

"Elite kuro, well some of us have them...the others... Well they just have a tv.... and are jealous that a 5 year old set still one of the best PQ in the business." - tarratacca

"Jealous'? What a condesending and patronizing term to use. Kuro owners act like they're the High Priests of Plasma. The keepers of a sacred flame. I've owned 2 Kuro's and I've always understood and never undervalued that not everyone has the same value/need set as me. Kuro owners here forget about that.

Really?

Yes, really. Akgss also did some simultaneous bumping in 2 other Panasonic threads (and I even helped him by quoting his same post here about that Panasonic convention). Also, his post was the direct one to which I responded if you look back when I also mentioned yours. You sure are defensive today for some reason.

As to your other remark, I am really not interested in the petty appeal to jealousy that tarratacca was using to get a rise out of folks. One can fairly easily see that didn't serve much purpose aside from inciting others. I was just trying to understand from your perspective what is so outdated about the understated 2008 design. Asking for clarification is not the equivalent of having sinister suspicions.

I have an (8) year old 50" Panasonic PDP in my MBR that I still enjoy viewing when I'm not watching my PRO-150FD.

***BREAKING NEWS**** Kuro used market plummets 2000 points!!!!

Stay calm guys (vinnie97 & Glashub) ...i made a mistake and post in 2 threads the same information, i don't want to make conflicts. I'm not repost again the same information

Back to the topic, the ZT60 in Europe has a built in cam...that's funny.

^I would disable and/or disconnect it if possible due to the paranoid freak I am. You both posted from a similar source in multiple threads, I just got a honest to goodness kick out of it. Call me easily amused.
I still half-suspect those 500Ms and 101FDs to command a premium..

Looks good. D-Nice said the ZT60 will probably equal the regular 9G's in blacks. I just wish panasonic would strive to surpass and not equal a 5 year old TV in performance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, money, money, money, blah, blah, blah. Good on them though. Kuro owners finally have a TV to buy with, from the looks of it, in terms of blacks, equal performance if their displays stop working or they want a bigger size. Especially 50" owners.

Question about OLED. Is the 0MLL going to affect shadow detail? I assume you would want some light output as to not have crushed blacks?



EDIT- From looking at those pictures the kuro looks bigger than the ZT60. I always noticed this when looking at kuro pictures next to other displays. It's as if pioneer purposely made the bezel thick to make the TV look bigger than 60 inches. Ha. Samething with the side speakers.
Edited by saprano - 2/11/13 at 6:14pm

I don't know which pictures you are referring to but, in general, thicker bezel designs make the actual image area appear smaller to me and I've always preferred narrower bezels for that reason.

Yep, that's something you don't expect to be different between EU/USA. Is it possible the information about the camera being optional here was wrong ?

@ saprano

Hi saprano,

I used to like the side speakers with my 500 definitely makes it look bigger

Although sat close say under 6FT things always look suitably big anyway.

If the first gen OLED's manage 0MLL. I'm pretty sure the way they are driven/set up, we will see ample shadow details...

The gamma presets from the factory will probably take care of that nicely imho.

Looking forward to OLED with 4K res myself in a few years. Knowing how black in a black room a 500 that has been reset (without any RST P) adjustments afterwards. It's a hell of a job telling it's actually on tbh. The base MLL is stupidly low.

But 4K res is my main priority in all honesty - but... With all the thing's, all Kuro's do well, not just minimum MLL.

If in three years for example, there was a 4K res plasma with all the all round processing prowess of the 8&9G's say. I would be tempted to buy one.

But i'm sure i would be saying a few times "well, it doesn't do this as well as a Kuro" It just doesn't do that as well as a Kuro"

And so on. Lol.

Not just talking about depth of black either
Edited by Stu03 - 2/12/13 at 2:05am

Some did go red undeniably. That wasn't due to just a red push in the greyscale and couldn't be tweaked out with usual calibration. But it was much more rare i believe

Unless they make me a 70" plasma , hear me Panasonic .....I'm sticking to my Kuro unless she dies. Then I'm gonna snag a 65" zt60. I don't think Pioneer moved the speakers to make them look bigger , but just to seperate the sound. My 6070 has the speaker on the bottom it doesn't sound nearly as good as my 151. 60" is 60" anyway you slice wide bezel , skinny bezel or no bezel the picture is the same size.


Now make us a 70"-75" panny - get busy.....

The pictures are on the last page.

I don't have a problem with the image area on my 151 from the bezel. I actually love the kuros bezel because it frames the image beautifully. The side speakers is was causes the image to appear smaller. I took them off and it's crazy how bigger the picture got. It took awhile to get use to because i've always had the speakers on. The TV looked so skinny. A few weeks of watching it like that and it stretched back out. It's crazy how our brains work. In fact, when putting them back recently on for casual TV viewing i liked the extra wide look it gave the display. Image area seemed fine. Mind tricks. Haha.
Edited by saprano - 2/12/13 at 7:40am

New pics:






Thanks to Pocket-lint

It looks.......greener.

deeper greens.

And earlier it looked more blue rofl.

Why are they insisting the panny guys to either over saturate the ZT, or under saturate the 9G ?.

They arent fooling anyone.

It also looks like it has more contrast in the image, but it's not like they're going to make the set look worse

Manufacture demo comparisons are always made to make one look better/worse than the other. The kuro doesn't look washed out like that. Not with a 0.001 black level.

You're right, they aren't fooling anyone.

Settings European KRP600 pic by David Mackenzie:


"Proper Setup has been done". This is textually that he wrote.

Yea, doesn't make sense to cart out the ole' Kuro just to intentionally cripple it, IMO.

Finally! @hdtvtest: The Panasonic ZT60 is matching the blacks on the Pioneer Kuro KRP-600A on a reasonably level playing field. #PanCon2013

It's David Katzmaier on twitter...HDTV Test says "match" black level
Edited by agkss - 2/12/13 at 12:09pm

Is he eyeballing it or did Katz pull out a colorimeter?

no he answer on twitter this tweet: The Panasonic ZT60 is matching the blacks on the Pioneer Kuro KRP-600A on a reasonably level playing field. #PanCon2013

He says Finally...HDTV Test says..."match"

Katzmaier believes on HDTV Test

To be honest, me too
I don't know if they use a colorimeter....wait for reviews
Edited by agkss - 2/12/13 at 12:24pm

LoL is he reading this thread?

But still, my 151 does not look washed out like that in the green glass picture.

Edit- unless that's the improved color thing Panasonic was talking about. If so, cool.
Edited by saprano - 2/12/13 at 1:53pm

To me this is meaningless. The Euro panel is very different from the NA panel. Has to meet different eco requirements. Even MacKenzie wrotew about it with the VT. He was able to achieve great blacks in THX because it is a different panel. Here is a quote from a EU VT owner pulled from CNet-

"The second is the same TV meant for the European market, and believe it or not its panel brightness has been locked at around 65 cd/m2 in the professional mode - rendering this option completely useless!!! In the other factory modes, this TV is relatively okey, but only if you constantly keep switching the eco mode on or off depending if its night or day there. (during daytime you should turn it on, while in the evening turn it off)

I find it really really disgusting that Panasonic cripples this TV for the European market. The USA users can enjoy around 140 cd/m2 panel brightness in the professional mode, while we have do live with less then half of this.

I tell you it is completely useless for its way to dark for even a completely darkened room - or when its midnight - no matter."

Well Glashub, it's not that bad
South American models are similar to European and Asian models
My GT50 has pro modes, only this modes are caped...the rest of modes are OK.
If i don't make a mistake...my model has around 130 cd/m2 panel brightness in THX Cinema
Only if they fix pro modes MLL this year that will be great

agkss, I mean no offense to you but was commenting on using EU tests to base NA expectations on.