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post #31 of 501
1/24/13 at 6:45pm
Never wanted a Kuro but never misses a chance to post in a thread with Kuro in the title .Whats up with dat?

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post #32 of 501
1/24/13 at 6:47pm
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Never wanted a Kuro but never misses a chance to post in a thread with Kuro in the title .Whats up with dat?

Rogo

Especially to bash, right?
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post #33 of 501
1/24/13 at 6:50pm
I had a Pro-111fd until 3 weeks ago. The Kuro stopped wowing me. 65 inches has restored the wow. Like my wife said when I asked why she's still with me, "Once you go big, you can never go back."
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post #34 of 501
1/24/13 at 6:52pm
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I had a Pro-111fd until 3 weeks ago. The Kuro stopped wowing me. 65 inches has restored the wow. Like my wife said when I asked why she's still with me, "Once you go big, you can never go back."

Mine is bigger than yours..........since you want to go there. lol.

I'm board.
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post #35 of 501
1/24/13 at 6:52pm
Not sure Rogo bashes Kuros all the time or at all ,he does seem to seek out threads he does not have to read to tell everyone how useless the threads are:rolleyes:
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post #36 of 501
1/24/13 at 7:28pm
How is IR on the new Pannys? If I remember correctly Kuros can take a lot more abuse in that regard.

Also I keep hearing that Panny color accuracy is better. No way that's true.
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post #37 of 501
1/24/13 at 8:52pm
Well, in August of last year, Mr. Norton was - technically - correct.

Although he SHOULD really have mentioned that the Panny VT50 came AWFULLY close, and is probably a better TV overall - all things considered.

But what he said is really not true any longer. Not as of CES 2013 - which brought sets with as good, or better, PQ. Yes, even better blacks.

And I'm not talking about experimental pieces (as in years past), but production prototypes for sets that will be available this year. The next Panasonic generation of plasma (ZT), and especially OLED.

The Kuro had a great run as king of the hill (and the oft-repeated mantra of "there's STILL nothing that can beat it!").

But unquestionably, that era comes to a close this year.
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post #38 of 501
1/24/13 at 11:48pm
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Snipe snipe snipe.

Look, it's not the fault of owners that you missed your opportunity to get an Elite KURO.

I was offered the Kuro by about 10 different dealers. I politely said no the first 10 times. Then I started to get irritated and started hanging up on people.
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I don't get the kuro hate. Its over appraisal it well deserved. Maby if you had one you would understand.

More importantly though, where did you hear more kuros are going to be available?

A little birdie. And really, I added more useful content to this thread than almost everyone else. I will tell you saprano (but only you!), that the where and when is TBD.
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Never wanted a Kuro but never misses a chance to post in a thread with Kuro in the title .Whats up with dat?

Rogo

There are countless threads where people do this every few months. It never ends. That's what is up with that.
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Especially to bash, right?

To bash the egomaniac owners. The display is fine. The owners who don't feel the need to measure certain body parts every few months and post the results are also fine with me.
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I had a Pro-111fd until 3 weeks ago. The Kuro stopped wowing me. 65 inches has restored the wow. Like my wife said when I asked why she's still with me, "Once you go big, you can never go back."

Oh, and speaking of measuring, the Kuro was always too small for me. That's why I said no when I was offered one. I had a 50" TV and wasn't going to "upgrade" only to a 60". It took a few years more, but I finally got a 65". For all of you who think, "that makes no difference", you're more than entitled to that opinion. Just like you're entitled to your opinion that nothing on the market equals your Kuro. I respectfully disagree with you on both of those topics.
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Not sure Rogo bashes Kuros all the time or at all ,he does seem to seek out threads he does not have to read to tell everyone how useless the threads are:rolleyes:

Because Kuro owners never shut up. I know people with $150,000 cars who are much less obnoxious about them than Kuro owners on AVS Forum. Much much less.
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How is IR on the new Pannys? If I remember correctly Kuros can take a lot more abuse in that regard.

Also I keep hearing that Panny color accuracy is better. No way that's true.

My Panasonic never retains any images. It just doesn't. It also calibrated to pretty much perfect color accuracy.
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Well, in August of last year, Mr. Norton was - technically - correct.

Although he SHOULD really have mentioned that the Panny VT50 came AWFULLY close, and is probably a better TV overall - all things considered.

But what he said is really not true any longer. Not as of CES 2013 - which brought sets with as good, or better, PQ. Yes, even better blacks.

And I'm not talking about experimental pieces (as in years past), but production prototypes for sets that will be available this year. The next Panasonic generation of plasma (ZT), and especially OLED.

The Kuro had a great run as king of the hill (and the oft-repeated mantra of "there's STILL nothing that can beat it!").

But unquestionably, that era comes to a close this year.

Well, by that logic, the single OLED we know will ship is going to be $12,000 and smaller than the larger Kuro. That's hardly interesting. The ZT60 Panasonic might match the Kuro black level and will be 65" for $4500 or less. So there is that.

In the meantime, I spent $3000 on my 65" VT50. I'm quite happy with it, but at least when I talk about it here it's still for sale. So if I compare it to something else, that's useful. You can buy one if you wish. Kuro owners rambling on and on and on about their "greatest TV ever ever ever ever" (that's a Taylor Swift song I think) do nothing but sound like the person you want to get away from at a party. I'm the guy who makes a snide remark to that person before walking away from them.
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post #39 of 501
1/25/13 at 1:42am
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I was offered the Kuro by about 10 different dealers. I politely said no the first 10 times. Then I started to get irritated and started hanging up on people.
A little birdie. And really, I added more useful content to this thread than almost everyone else. I will tell you saprano (but only you!), that the where and when is TBD.
There are countless threads where people do this every few months. It never ends. That's what is up with that.
To bash the egomaniac owners. The display is fine. The owners who don't feel the need to measure certain body parts every few months and post the results are also fine with me.
Oh, and speaking of measuring, the Kuro was always too small for me. That's why I said no when I was offered one. I had a 50" TV and wasn't going to "upgrade" only to a 60". It took a few years more, but I finally got a 65". For all of you who think, "that makes no difference", you're more than entitled to that opinion. Just like you're entitled to your opinion that nothing on the market equals your Kuro. I respectfully disagree with you on both of those topics.
Because Kuro owners never shut up. I know people with $150,000 cars who are much less obnoxious about them than Kuro owners on AVS Forum. Much much less.
My Panasonic never retains any images. It just doesn't. It also calibrated to pretty much perfect color accuracy.
Well, by that logic, the single OLED we know will ship is going to be $12,000 and smaller than the larger Kuro. That's hardly interesting. The ZT60 Panasonic might match the Kuro black level and will be 65" for $4500 or less. So there is that.

In the meantime, I spent $3000 on my 65" VT50. I'm quite happy with it, but at least when I talk about it here it's still for sale. So if I compare it to something else, that's useful. You can buy one if you wish. Kuro owners rambling on and on and on about their "greatest TV ever ever ever ever" (that's a Taylor Swift song I think) do nothing but sound like the person you want to get away from at a party. I'm the guy who makes a snide remark to that person before walking away from them.
very bitter man:)smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
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post #40 of 501
1/25/13 at 6:08am
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There are countless threads where people do this every few months. It never ends. That's what is up with that.

Because Kuro owners never shut up.
. Kuro owners rambling on and on and on about their "greatest TV ever ever ever ever" /quote]







What is strange is you take the time to read and reply to a THREAD with KURO in the TITLE , Just move along to the next THREAD ,No need to take it personal , it's just a display .

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post #41 of 501
1/25/13 at 6:53am
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Well, in August of last year, Mr. Norton was - technically - correct.

Although he SHOULD really have mentioned that the Panny VT50 came AWFULLY close, and is probably a better TV overall - all things considered.

But what he said is really not true any longer. Not as of CES 2013 - which brought sets with as good, or better, PQ. Yes, even better blacks.

And I'm not talking about experimental pieces (as in years past), but production prototypes for sets that will be available this year. The next Panasonic generation of plasma (ZT), and especially OLED.

The Kuro had a great run as king of the hill (and the oft-repeated mantra of "there's STILL nothing that can beat it!").

But unquestionably, that era comes to a close this year.

Well hopefully the ZT has better blacks. But you can't say it does and it's a better TV as it's a fact since it hasn't been tested yet. The samething has been said every year since 2009. Why don't we wait (again) until it's released before claiming anything.

And TJN SHOULDN'T have said anything except what HE saw between the two sets. I don't get your problem with his comparison?

While the Sharp Elite was not on hand for a direct comparison, my 60-inch Pioneer Kuro PRO141FD was. The darkest scenes on the Panasonic weren’t quite as enticingly rich, a result confirmed by the two sets’ measured black levels (0.001 foot-lamberts on the Kuro after three years of use; 0.002 ft-L on the Panasonic after an estimated 200 hours of operation). But keeping in mind that this Kuro’s MSRP (the top model in the Kuro lineup) was roughly twice the list price of the TC-P65VT50, Panasonic’s achievement here shouldn’t be underestimated. On Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, a film with more than its fair share of dimly lit, challenging video, the Panasonic held its own. The main difference between the two sets was a slightly smoother transition into the darkest region of the brightness range on the Pioneer. The Panasonic had a trace of black crush on a few shots; the Pioneer did not. But it was a very close call. The Panasonic looked very slightly sharper than the Pioneer, but that too was very material dependent.

In other respects, the Panasonic gave quarter to no other set I’ve reviewed. Images were crisp, and colors sparkled—but never looked unnatural. Literally dozens of hours of viewing, including two seasons of Downton Abbey, several episodes of Lost, and movies including Journey 2: The Mysterious Island and Mirror, Mirror confirmed the Panasonic’s excellent color and superb resolution of detail. Downton looked sublimely natural, and Lost was brightly colored with believable greens. Both of the above named films also looked gorgeous, which was fortunate since they offered little else to tempt me to sit through to the bitter end. You know you’ve sat through a clunker when the end credits are an entertaining relief, particularly an entry on Island for “Mr. [Dwayne] Johnson’s Hair Stylist!”

Modern post-production color manipulation being what it is, it’s difficult to subjectively judge color accuracy with today’s films. But sports came to my rescue. A late-June Yankees–Cleveland Indians baseball game, played on a sunny New York afternoon, jumped off the screen, with precise fleshtones and acres of convincingly real, green grass.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/panasonic-tc-p65vt50-3d-plasma-hdtv-page-2
Edited by saprano - 1/25/13 at 7:43am
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post #42 of 501
1/25/13 at 7:40am
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I was offered the Kuro by about 10 different dealers. I politely said no the first 10 times. Then I started to get irritated and started hanging up on people.

You were offered the kuro for free? And you said no? Man i wish i had your rep. You could of at least sold it to someone who needs it. But then you would've created another kuro monster on AVS right?

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A little birdie. And really, I added more useful content to this thread than almost everyone else. I will tell you saprano (but only you!), that the where and when is TBD.
Well if you can find when and where i'll happily buy about 2. A 500m or 101, and another 151. Heh, you probably think i'm crazy. No, i just like quality. Something the kuro haters don't seem to understand.

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There are countless threads where people do this every few months. It never ends. That's what is up with that.

rogo, why do you enter them???????????????????
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To bash the egomaniac owners. The display is fine. The owners who don't feel the need to measure certain body parts every few months and post the results are also fine with me.
So you're basically trolling kuro owners? You see a kuro thread and it annoys you so much that it stops you from browsing AVS to enter it and bash the "egomaniac owners"

That's really smart. It's like walking by a house that's having a pajama party, that you clearly hate, and walking inside to tell everyone to stop wearing those damn pajamas and having these stupid partys.
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Oh, and speaking of measuring, the Kuro was always too small for me. That's why I said no when I was offered one. I had a 50" TV and wasn't going to "upgrade" only to a 60". It took a few years more, but I finally got a 65". For all of you who think, "that makes no difference", you're more than entitled to that opinion. Just like you're entitled to your opinion that nothing on the market equals your Kuro. I respectfully disagree with you on both of those topics.

It's not the largest display, but in the 1500 cu ft room my 151 is in now where i sit about 7',8' away small doesn't come to my mind.

And nobody is saying that the kuro hasn't been equaled in someways. Maby that's where the tension comes from. There's plenty of kuro owners that said the Sharp equals the kuro (even D-Nice) but we don't want equal we something that's better. Why am i going to spend money on another TV when the one i have is already reference? Unless you want a bigger size there's no point.

And like you, there's no way i'm going from a 60" to a 70". It has to be 75" and up. I hope a 4K OLED display is available in that size in the next 5 years. I doubt it though. Until then i'm content with my "puny" 60" kuro.
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Because Kuro owners never shut up. I know people with $150,000 cars who are much less obnoxious about them than Kuro owners on AVS Forum. Much much less.

I don't think kuro owners are obnoxious. It's the non owners that are acting like babies everytime the kuro is brought up. You people find your way into every kuro thread just to cry. Nothing we say is false. The praise it gets is warranted. People don't like that and frankly that's your fault.
Edited by saprano - 1/25/13 at 7:55am
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post #43 of 501
1/25/13 at 7:42am
While I've enjoyed by Kuro, (pro 151) the red tint issue that hit it recently really has me wanting a new set.

It's a shame that I can find marginal upgrades for a set I purchased in 2008. I simply do not care about 3D or widgets. The next xbox will be my all-in-one media hub and widgets on the TV will serve no purpose.

As avjunkie stated on the "other" forum, sizes above 65 for plasma are not going to happen due to yield issues so I'm likely looking at a LED. I'd like to jump into the 70's and above.

Not planning to pay the 4K tax with next to no material for a foreseeable future. Choices will be very limited yet again and PQ selection will be about compromises that I can live with.
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post #44 of 501
1/25/13 at 12:09pm
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You were offered the kuro for free

No, of course not. I'd have paid pretty much what anyone else did on the closeout deals.
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I don't think kuro owners are obnoxious.

Right, because you are one. Ask yourself why these threads even exist. This isn't the first one.

It's navel gazing. Body-part measuring. Whatever you want to call it.

Someone looks up at their old TV on the wall and sees all the conversation about the new, fancy stuff for sale and decides to start yet another Kuro thread lamenting the pathetic state of alternatives.

You folks should have your own forum. wehavethebesttveverandyoudont.com

Mine's bigger. Mine's brighter. Mine's got more features. And mine, "...gave quarter to no other set ... reviewed."

So in answer to the question in the thread title. It's already here. Get over it.
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post #45 of 501
1/25/13 at 12:55pm
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I don't get the kuro hate. Its over appraisal it well deserved. Maby if you had one you would understand.

More importantly though, where did you hear more kuros are going to be available?

I didn't know there was any Kuro hate here but I will say that I have seen many posts of people comparing the Panny's against the Kuro's in terms of blacks. Not sure why they keep doing this seeing as the pricing is considerably cheaper on the Panny's especially when you compare price for size. The way I've understood it is today's TV manufacturers have to match or exceed energy star compliance and they are unable to do this while trying to match or exceed the Kuro's PQ. I would much rather save on my household energy bill then to pay more just to get "Kuro blacks" and chances are a TV of that caliber won't be very affordable. Some people here have deep pockets ( (along with sadly unveiling their pretentious manner) and money is no object, I'm just not one of them. The past is the past and it's definitely time for people to stop praising "what was" and just accept what is. Companies can't afford to cater to a minority set of customers that can afford the unaffordable for many others.
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post #46 of 501
1/25/13 at 1:01pm
I paid a lot, $7500, for my PRO-150FD. Well it seems like a lot of money to me.

I bought the PDP during August 2007 and it still renders a great picture.

Would I like a BIGGER/BETTER TV? Sure.

Will I spend $12,000 for a 55" OLED TV or $16,000 for a 84LM9600? Not likely.
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post #47 of 501
1/25/13 at 2:15pm
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Right, because you are one.

"I know you are but what am i". Now you're beginning to whine. If wanting something better than what was made 5 years ago is obnoxious, then so be it.
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Ask yourself why these threads even exist.

Why do you think it exist? Maby a kuro owner is worried his TV isn't going to last forever and wants a suitable replacement? Maby after all this time an owner expects something by now to demolish every part of the kuro? Everytime i walk into bestbuy or one of my audio dealers i see nothing that stands out as something i would replace my kuro with. That's just me being honest. Not obnoxious. If there was something better i would have it by now.

I never even liked plasmas until i saw a kuro. I was a LCD fanboy with a 40" samsung wondering why everyone on AVS keeps blabbering (sound familiar?) about pioneer and kuros. It wasn't until i went to bestbuy and saw TDK prologue playing did i understand why members gush over this display. I had to have it and here we are. If there was another display that, IMO!, equaled and bettered the kuro i would know. But no current TV wows me.
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This isn't the first one.

Yeah that should tell you alot. I pray the ZT60 or F8500 is better than the kuro so no more kuro threads can be made and the crying stops.
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It's navel gazing. Body-part measuring. Whatever you want to call it.

Someone looks up at their old TV on the wall and sees all the conversation about the new, fancy stuff for sale and decides to start yet another Kuro thread lamenting the pathetic state of alternatives.

You folks should have your own forum. wehavethebesttveverandyoudont.com

Mine's bigger. Mine's brighter. Mine's got more features. And mine, "...gave quarter to no other set ... reviewed."

So in answer to the question in the thread title. It's already here. Get over it.

Please panasonic, finally kill the kuro. I can't take post like this anymore. I'm rooting for you.
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post #48 of 501
1/25/13 at 2:26pm
^^^

Unless you're in Riverdale I'd say you're lucky to still have that kuro. smile.gif

But then again NY has changed a lot since I lived there.
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post #49 of 501
1/25/13 at 2:27pm
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I didn't know there was any Kuro hate here but I will say that I have seen many posts of people comparing the Panny's against the Kuro's in terms of blacks. Not sure why they keep doing this seeing as the pricing is considerably cheaper on the Panny's especially when you compare price for size. The way I've understood it is today's TV manufacturers have to match or exceed energy star compliance and they are unable to do this while trying to match or exceed the Kuro's PQ. I would much rather save on my household energy bill then to pay more just to get "Kuro blacks" and chances are a TV of that caliber won't be very affordable. Some people here have deep pockets ( (along with sadly unveiling their pretentious manner) and money is no object, I'm just not one of them. The past is the past and it's definitely time for people to stop praising "what was" and just accept what is. Companies can't afford to cater to a minority set of customers that can afford the unaffordable for many others.

Energy has nothing to do with lowering black levels. I see this being brought up alot and it's wrong.

And how much more money are you expecting to pay on your bill with a high energy TV? What, a few dollars more a year? My kuro averages around 300 watts and below when in use. The bill for the house looks the same to me.
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post #50 of 501
1/25/13 at 2:37pm
Can somebody please explain the physics so that MORE power means LESS light output?
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post #51 of 501
1/25/13 at 2:38pm
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Energy has nothing to do with lowering black levels. I see this being brought up alot and it's wrong.

And how much more money are you expecting to pay on your bill with a high energy TV? What, a few dollars more a year? My kuro averages around 300 watts and below when in use. The bill for the house looks the same to me.

Actually I didn't say lowering black levels increases the energy used in a TV, I said from what I understood (what was educated to me here on AVS) that in order to achieve Kuro picture quality (which describes more than just blacks) TV manufactures won't be able to meet energy star compliance. If that's incorrect information then please explain why the manufacturers haven't been making today's TV's match or exceed the Kuro in PQ? They can certainly produce the TV. It's not like they've ran out of parts. Your household energy bill against mine needs not to be compared. If you're ready to pay my energy bill every month by all means send me a check but a few dollars more (as you call it) a year makes a difference to my income.
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1/25/13 at 3:42pm
Energy use has to do with light output , Pioneer 9G PDPs have great light output. Today's PDP also have great light output , the difference between a properly calibrated current PDP and the 9G , in power consumption is very small.
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1/25/13 at 3:54pm
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Energy use has to do with light output , Pioneer 9G PDPs have great light output. Today's PDP also have great light output , the difference between a properly calibrated current PDP and the 9G , in power consumption is very small.

Wrong.
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post #54 of 501
1/25/13 at 4:22pm
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Wrong.

This is a little apples to oranges but looks pretty close to me. smile.gif

http://kuro9g.blogspot.com/2009/01/pdp-6020fd-power-consumption.html

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p55vt50/4505-6482_7-35118304-2.html
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post #55 of 501
1/25/13 at 4:56pm
That's about the same results I have seen between my calibrated 151 and a calibrated vt-50 , very close in power use ,the vt 50 is slightly larger 65" vrs 60"
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1/25/13 at 5:02pm
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That's about the same results I have seen between my calibrated 151 and a calibrated vt-50 , very close in power use ,the vt 50 is slightly larger 65" vrs 60"

What's your number on the Pioneer? ~300?

If so, I'd concur power is pretty similar. I don't seem to average anywhere near the 370 shown in the Cnet review (and, yes, my Panasonic 65" is calibrated). But in some testing, I'm around 300ish.

That said, the Panasonic VT50 65" both (a) fails the current Energy Star and (b) has peak-brightness limitations. The peak brightness I believe clearly exceeds the Kuro, but it's still limited. So there is no perfect world in plasmas vis a vis energy consumption, light output, etc. LCDs are dramatically superior in this regard. A 100-watt TV can outshine any of our plasmas at the same size. It can also -- in a few limited cases -- come close to the best blacks (Sharp Elite, Sony HX).
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1/25/13 at 5:13pm
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"I know you are but what am i". Now you're beginning to whine. If wanting something better than what was made 5 years ago is obnoxious, then so be it.

Who's whining? I'm not the one crying about what's for sale today.
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Why do you think it exist? Maby a kuro owner is worried his TV isn't going to last forever and wants a suitable replacement? Maby after all this time an owner expects something by now to demolish every part of the kuro? Everytime i walk into bestbuy or one of my audio dealers i see nothing that stands out as something i would replace my kuro with. That's just me being honest. Not obnoxious. If there was something better i would have it by now.

I'm pretty sure they exist because people who are really insecure feel the need to come out and get made secure by the same 10-20 people nodding and glad-handing about about their orphan product from a company that doesn't make TVs anymore. I mean let's get real a second. We just had CES. Myself and many other people filed posts from there about what was new. This thread actually contributes nothing to the dialog about what is new. It really doesn't. It's basically a re-post of a whine. "I want. I want. I want."

We all know what's actually coming, You may not like that. But your endless blathering (oh, and to be clear, that's a generic "you", not a comment directed at anyone) about some TV you can't buy anymore isn't going to make a single manufacturer build a single TV they weren't already planning on buying.
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I never even liked plasmas until i saw a kuro. I was a LCD fanboy with a 40" samsung wondering why everyone on AVS keeps blabbering (sound familiar?) about pioneer and kuros. It wasn't until i went to bestbuy and saw TDK prologue playing did i understand why members gush over this display. I had to have it and here we are. If there was another display that, IMO!, equaled and bettered the kuro i would know. But no current TV wows me.

Interesting, those Samsung 40" LCDs were flat-out terrible at pretty much everything. Then you bought a TV that is pretty much great at everything. So you have high standards about having more or less no standards. I respect the move to the Penthouse. TVs typically get replaced every 8 years. Maybe you should just sit tight.
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Yeah that should tell you alot. I pray the ZT60 or F8500 is better than the kuro so no more kuro threads can be made and the crying stops.

Here's the thing. There is no chance the Kuro threads will stop. Even if the ZT60 or F8500 is clearly better there will be threads. "It's about time something finally (slightly) exceeds the Kuro". "Does the F8500 really outdo the Kuro?" "I can't believe it took 5 years to barely beat the Kuro". There will be threads.
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Please panasonic, finally kill the kuro. I can't take post like this anymore. I'm rooting for you.

You could simply stop reading or posting or them or telling people they are whining. It's just an idea.
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post #58 of 501
1/25/13 at 5:56pm
^ dreadful and pointless post. Again.

It's ok, we know you either fail to comprehend a basic reality regarding the lack of significant progression of flat panel technology over the last half decade (oh yeah, HOW many panels meet or outperform this 2008 model, 5 years later? Thought so- hence the referral to a panel from 2008 that virtually ANY of us "enthusiasts" would replace in a second if we found one to be wholly worthwhile- the ZT likely is it, finally), or are simply too blind to see this very obvious truth. You go ahead pick. Wait, never mind...please.

But no, instead of noting that stark reality, you play this childish game where you insist it's all macho-flexing and not the exceedingly logical and sensible aforementioned. Go figure.

Think about it, if it was REALLY about chest-beating and not image quality, why wouldn't kuro owners be running out and buying 70" elites which are just as expensive and exclusive- really MORE SO- than the kuros were during their time?

Yeah, thought as much. Again.

Thanks for playing, drive home safely. I'm confident I'm speaking for dozens here and elsewhere...I can assure you.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 1/25/13 at 6:01pm
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1/25/13 at 9:46pm
I also upgraded from a Samdung LCD (2007) model (my first 40+" TV), and it was a sage decision in hindsight. I was disillusioned with the MURA (uneven backlight) and weak black levels on that sucker from the beginning but hadn't dug my heels in, so to speak, when it came to alternative TV tech like Plasma. Once the 9G's ubiquitous black levels are matched/exceeded, I do think these types of threads will start winding down.
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1/26/13 at 12:20am
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Think about it, if it was REALLY about chest-beating and not image quality, why wouldn't kuro owners be running out and buying 70" elites which are just as expensive and exclusive- really MORE SO- than the kuros were during their time?

Most of you bought the Kuro on closeout and can't afford the Elites.

Also, the cognitive dissonance of Kuro owners -- some not all -- prevents you from acknowledging the quality of the Elite so you can impugn it for its flaws while ignoring any Kuro flaws.
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