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Given that we all know that ABL impacts the calibration of any plasma, what, if any, is the correct process to measure gamma on a plasma display.
For example, Panasonic have a specific gamma setting, 2.0, 2.2, etc etc, however when this is measured using the suggested window types (approx 10% plus) the gamma comes out different and any attempts to align it to 2.2 or whatever your target is, introduces some not so welcome effects.

So the first question is, given the importance of a correct gamma and its impact on other aspects of a calibration, saturation for example, what is the best way to achieve the required gamma number accross the entire lumincance range?

My second question is that if a manufacturer states a numerical gamma setting can this be relied upon as accurate?

My last question is whether to calibrate with normal ABL impact or the least possible ABL impact?

As discussed in a prevsious thread, I have found that using various patterns gives different readings across the board dependant on the window sizes being used, and this is confusing and frustrating for people trying to learn the process as it produces very much inconsistent results not only in data, but also visually.

I therefore recently decided to make some 1% patterns for my VT30. They gave me a virtually a flat line gamma in accordance with the displays gamma setting (the only pattern to do so), and using this I calibrated all aspects of the display and the result was far better than I wished for and gave me an accurate contrast ratio which larger patterns have not. I know many people would disagree with this approach in terms of the pattern size as it doesn not reflect 'real world' content. Fair enough, but 10% windows also do not reflect real world content either and the results from using that size were worse on my Panasonic than my previous Samsung which could be calibrated with large windows no problem at all. Of course ABL has an impact, this I understand which I why i ask these questions in the first place.

Thanks!
post #2 of 6
What background have you used on your patterns? Also since using 1% patterns I will assume you are using your meter in contact mode?
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Originally Posted by visca blaugrana View Post

What background have you used on your patterns? Also since using 1% patterns I will assume you are using your meter in contact mode?

Hi Visca
Ive tried the ones on your disk without success unfortunately, hence why i designed my own ones!
1% are in full contact mode!
post #4 of 6
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Originally Posted by ndaa75 View Post

Given that we all know that ABL impacts the calibration of any plasma, what, if any, is the correct process to measure gamma on a plasma display.
For example, Panasonic have a specific gamma setting, 2.0, 2.2, etc etc, however when this is measured using the suggested window types (approx 10% plus) the gamma comes out different and any attempts to align it to 2.2 or whatever your target is, introduces some not so welcome effects.

So the first question is, given the importance of a correct gamma and its impact on other aspects of a calibration, saturation for example, what is the best way to achieve the required gamma number accross the entire lumincance range?

My second question is that if a manufacturer states a numerical gamma setting can this be relied upon as accurate?

My last question is whether to calibrate with normal ABL impact or the least possible ABL impact?

As discussed in a prevsious thread, I have found that using various patterns gives different readings across the board dependant on the window sizes being used, and this is confusing and frustrating for people trying to learn the process as it produces very much inconsistent results not only in data, but also visually.

I therefore recently decided to make some 1% patterns for my VT30. They gave me a virtually a flat line gamma in accordance with the displays gamma setting (the only pattern to do so), and using this I calibrated all aspects of the display and the result was far better than I wished for and gave me an accurate contrast ratio which larger patterns have not. I know many people would disagree with this approach in terms of the pattern size as it doesn not reflect 'real world' content. Fair enough, but 10% windows also do not reflect real world content either and the results from using that size were worse on my Panasonic than my previous Samsung which could be calibrated with large windows no problem at all. Of course ABL has an impact, this I understand which I why i ask these questions in the first place.

Thanks!

I believe this is the answer:
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Originally Posted by buzzard767 View Post

It has nothing to do with "how" to calibrate because a plasma can never be made accurate, Any time a display of any type is making decisions on its own, no twist of a knob will yield a reference image in video. That's just the way it is.

So we are left to make a subjective post-cal evaluation by viewing familiar reference material. Not ideal for someone like myself as I seem to be highly susceptible to the "placebo effect". In your case, it seems that you've come to the conclusion that 1% non-APL patterns yield the best results. I'd say you're done with you calibration.

If you want to see how futile it is to fret over this situation, go to post #1 in the thread linked above and measure the AVS disc Dynamic Brightness Ramp as Chad B describes. This shows what's happening over your display's entire operating range. It doesn't matter whether you use 1% windows or full fields - gamma will be "wrong" while you're watching real content - it's constantly changing.
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In your case, it seems that you've come to the conclusion that 1% non-APL patterns yield the best results. I'd say you're done with you calibration.

Quite possibly - but I have OCD!!
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If you want to see how futile it is to fret over this situation, go to post #1 in the thread linked above and measure the AVS disc Dynamic Brightness Ramp as Chad B describes. This shows what's happening over your display's entire operating range. It doesn't matter whether you use 1% windows or full fields - gamma will be "wrong" while you're watching real content - it's constantly changing.

Whilst I understand that the gamma changes whilst watching content, wat im trying to establish is where the starting point is in order to minimise the risk of introducing unwanted side effects.
Is it 'better' to calibrate with a gamma largely impacted by the ABL - surely this will result in large inaccuracies in other gamma related aspects such as colour.
Or is it better to calibrate where the ABL is having less of an impact in the image therefore laying the foundation settings?
post #6 of 6
Try a search for using a Grey Ramp image to set the optimum patch size for plasma calibration.

This has been discussed, and tested as a good way to evaluate individual plasmas for ABL operation, and set the optimal calibration patch size.

Steve
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