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post #751 of 1309
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Hey Vinnie, how do you figure Robert got at least 2 and nobody else has them -- and why isn't he shipping them?

PS - There is one picture on his site where the whole frame looks like it's a shiny chrome and then others that look like a ZT. I'm confused.
post #752 of 1309
Glash, I think Panasonic made a special exception for the purposes of the shootout. Panasonic would be crazy to pass up (potentially) good (and free) press. wink.gif I guess one will be used as a demo (if so, perhaps the press isn't so free after all biggrin.gif)...

The chrome is also evident on Panasonic's site: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65ZT60

It doesn't look as accentuated, but that could also be a question of proportion and/or Photoshop.tongue.gif
Edited by vinnie97 - 5/5/13 at 9:41am
post #753 of 1309
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Originally Posted by dasanii19 View Post

So is the ZT surely to have IR issues being its a plasma? Should gaming be avoided? Or pausing?

This is unclear until units are in the hands of people who will seriously test it (unfortunately reviewers don't do IR tests). The one review out there mentioned IR, but failed to indicate which type of IR they were referring to. Residual charge IR is harmless and not what anyone should be concerned about.

I repeat this info a lot, but much of the confusion over IR comes from a mixup of the different types of IR a plasma can experience. The fact that the review I mentioned failed to indicate the type of IR they had observed makes that information essentially useless. So here are the two common IR types you'll see on plasma:

-Short-duration IR, caused by residual electric charge, is harmless and lasts only a few minutes at most. It is seen as a bright afterimage of a bright screen element. For example, you might see a light ghost of the word "Menu" if you put up a totally black screen after spending time in the menu. It cannot become permanent and is essentially not a problem (though less is still a good thing).

-Long-duration IR, supposed to be caused by what is called "MgO sputtering," can last for hours or days. It is seen as a dark afterimage of a bright screen element when viewing a mid-brightness scene. The 2012 Panasonics suffered from an unusual amount of this type of IR, which is concerning because long-duration IR can last so long that you re-expose the static element in question before it wears off, making the imprint essentially permanent if you continue to watch the offending channel or play the same games. I consider Panasonic's performance in this area last year poor because the 2012 Samsungs (only the 60"+) beat them soundly in this area, as does my 8th gen non-elite Pioneer (5080HD).

A post from the HDJ insider indicated that the ZT (and only the ZT) was using an alternative substance in place of MgO (Magnesium Oxide). He wouldn't go into details about what this implied, but the theory is that the only reason to replace MgO would be to reduce the occurrence of long-duration "MgO sputtering" IR.

Anyway the point is that unless CNet does another "accidental" IR test this year you won't have any way of knowing about IR performance until you can try one yourself or some IR-obsessed maniac like me can do it. Don't trust statements like "all plasmas have IR but it gets better over time," as these are just generic answers that get passed around. Some plasmas do have worse IR performance than others (the 2012 Panasonics) and I've seen multiple reports from users with over 1000 hours that it has not gotten any better. I can promise that I'll be testing my ZT for long duration IR extensively in comparison to the 2012 series, but I can't say when I'll actually be picking one up (hopefully sometime this summer).
post #754 of 1309
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Glash, I think Panasonic made a special exception for the purposes of the shootout. Panasonic would be crazy to pass up (potentially) good (and free) press. wink.gif I guess one will be used as a demo (if so, perhaps the press isn't so free after all biggrin.gif)...

The chrome is also evident on Panasonic's site: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-P65ZT60

It doesn't look as accentuated, but that could also be a question of proportion and/or Photoshop.tongue.gif

Got it.

If it's like the VT you won't be bothered by the chrome at all I'd wager. I do not have a dark room even with all the lights off and the chrome does not bother me. Now, the red light in front bothered me for a bit but once I got into my 1st movie I forgot all about it.
post #755 of 1309
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Originally Posted by headlesschickens View Post

This is unclear until units are in the hands of people who will seriously test it (unfortunately reviewers don't do IR tests). The one review out there mentioned IR, but failed to indicate which type of IR they were referring to. Residual charge IR is harmless and not what anyone should be concerned about.

I repeat this info a lot, but much of the confusion over IR comes from a mixup of the different types of IR a plasma can experience. The fact that the review I mentioned failed to indicate the type of IR they had observed makes that information essentially useless. So here are the two common IR types you'll see on plasma:

-Short-duration IR, caused by residual electric charge, is harmless and lasts only a few minutes at most. It is seen as a bright afterimage of a bright screen element. For example, you might see a light ghost of the word "Menu" if you put up a totally black screen after spending time in the menu. It cannot become permanent and is essentially not a problem (though less is still a good thing).

-Long-duration IR, supposed to be caused by what is called "MgO sputtering," can last for hours or days. It is seen as a dark afterimage of a bright screen element when viewing a mid-brightness scene. The 2012 Panasonics suffered from an unusual amount of this type of IR, which is concerning because long-duration IR can last so long that you re-expose the static element in question before it wears off, making the imprint essentially permanent if you continue to watch the offending channel or play the same games. I consider Panasonic's performance in this area last year poor because the 2012 Samsungs (only the 60"+) beat them soundly in this area, as does my 8th gen non-elite Pioneer (5080HD).

A post from the HDJ insider indicated that the ZT (and only the ZT) was using an alternative substance in place of MgO (Magnesium Oxide). He wouldn't go into details about what this implied, but the theory is that the only reason to replace MgO would be to reduce the occurrence of long-duration "MgO sputtering" IR.

Anyway the point is that unless CNet does another "accidental" IR test this year you won't have any way of knowing about IR performance until you can try one yourself or some IR-obsessed maniac like me can do it. Don't trust statements like "all plasmas have IR but it gets better over time," as these are just generic answers that get passed around. Some plasmas do have worse IR performance than others (the 2012 Panasonics) and I've seen multiple reports from users with over 1000 hours that it has not gotten any better. I can promise that I'll be testing my ZT for long duration IR extensively in comparison to the 2012 series, but I can't say when I'll actually be picking one up (hopefully sometime this summer).

Thank you!!! Do you believe that running slides for the first 500 hours will help IR from occurring?
post #756 of 1309
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Originally Posted by dasanii19 View Post

Thank you!!! Do you believe that running slides for the first 500 hours will help IR from occurring?

Absolutely not. That's some old mythology from back when the real concern actually was what we call "burn in." In those days you were trying to pre-age the panel evenly because the aging process was so fast at first that you could actually age images into the screen. With panel half-life in the 100,000 hours range actual burn-in is no longer the concern. It is very likely that the IR performance out of the box will be identical to the IR performance when aged by 500 or even 1000 hours. Aging with slides is something people do because they want to age the panel evenly for calibration purposes.

As I mentioned we have owners of 2012 Panasonics claiming identical IR performance at over 1000 hours, and in one case over 2000 hours. And by contrast the 2012 Samsungs (again, 60"+ only) had zero long-duration IR out of the box (too bad that was the only performance metric they did well at, huh?). As did my old 5080HD, which never picked up long-duration IR no matter what I did to it even when brand new.

My usual IR disclaimer, which I forgot to add above: I realize there are many people with 2012 Panasonics who have not seen IR issues. IR will depend entirely on the content you use and how much you scrutinize your display. If you only watch movies and non-logo channels you'll never, ever see IR. Gamers and frequent viewers of logo channels are far more likely to experience it. I cannot speak for the entire stock of 2012 Panasonics, but I have personally tested 4 units (2 ST50's, 1 GT50 (mine), 1 VT50). While the VT50 did better than the ST and GT (consistent with the CNet test), they all did much worse than my 5080HD and a Samsung E7000 I had the opportunity to test.
post #757 of 1309
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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

I would not pay MSRP for a tv unless it came with free delivery and installation plus a credit for a free calibration from the traveling pro of my choice. That said, I'm happy that some do pay MSRP. So, thank you.

From what I've read, Pannosonic is only manufacturing 60,000 units total (60 and 65" combined) the ZT60 is a limited run and flex on MSRP is not going to be by much. Please correct me if I'm wrong? This is just information that I've gathered between forum posts and speaking to best buy magnolia employees. If there will be much flex off MSRP then I guess Im the fool for paying full MSRP :/
post #758 of 1309
I shouId have noted that my primary reasoning for considering the 500 hours of break-in is indeed for calibration, especially given how these early review models are behaving in the hands of some very experienced professional calibrators.
post #759 of 1309
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Originally Posted by headlesschickens View Post

Absolutely not. That's some old mythology from back when the real concern actually was what we call "burn in." In those days you were trying to pre-age the panel evenly because the aging process was so fast at first that you could actually age images into the screen. With panel half-life in the 100,000 hours range actual burn-in is no longer the concern. It is very likely that the IR performance out of the box will be identical to the IR performance when aged by 500 or even 1000 hours. Aging with slides is something people do because they want to age the panel evenly for calibration purposes.

As I mentioned we have owners of 2012 Panasonics claiming identical IR performance at over 1000 hours, and in one case over 2000 hours. And by contrast the 2012 Samsungs (again, 60"+ only) had zero long-duration IR out of the box (too bad that was the only performance metric they did well at, huh?). As did my old 5080HD, which never picked up long-duration IR no matter what I did to it even when brand new.

My usual IR disclaimer, which I forgot to add above: I realize there are many people with 2012 Panasonics who have not seen IR issues. IR will depend entirely on the content you use and how much you scrutinize your display. If you only watch movies and non-logo channels you'll never, ever see IR. Gamers and frequent viewers of logo channels are far more likely to experience it. I cannot speak for the entire stock of 2012 Panasonics, but I have personally tested 4 units (2 ST50's, 1 GT50 (mine), 1 VT50). While the VT50 did better than the ST and GT (consistent with the CNet test), they all did much worse than my 5080HD and a Samsung E7000 I had the opportunity to test.

Thanks again, i'm guessing Pannasonic hasn't taken any pre measures to refrain from IR on the 2013 ZT? Or is it a time will tell thing?
post #760 of 1309
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Originally Posted by dasanii19 View Post

Thanks again, i'm guessing Pannasonic hasn't taken any pre measures to refrain from IR on the 2013 ZT? Or is it a time will tell thing?

The insider over at HDJ, who I believe is an engineer (?), mentioned that MgO was replaced by a new substance on the ZT when asked about distinguishing features of the ZT over the VT. I tried to ask him if this meant better IR performance but I didn't phrase it well. He basically said that he wasn't able to comment on IR because they can get in trouble making public claims about it (you can get an image stuck on any plasma if it's your goal, I'm sure if I put something static on my supposedly IR-proof 5080 for 3 weeks it would stick).

So it's entirely conjecture, but until I hear otherwise it makes me hopeful about the ZT's IR performance. There was a some speculation last year that the reason the larger Samsungs did so well with IR is that they had replaced MgO in their large panels.
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Originally Posted by dasanii19 View Post

From what I've read, Pannosonic is only manufacturing 60,000 units total (60 and 65" combined) the ZT60 is a limited run and flex on MSRP is not going to be by much. Please correct me if I'm wrong? This is just information that I've gathered between forum posts and speaking to best buy magnolia employees. If there will be much flex off MSRP then I guess Im the fool for paying full MSRP :/

It's brilliant marketing whether it's true or not. Either there really is going to be a limited run or they have us convinced of it... either way it's got us talking about buying something at MSRP.
post #761 of 1309
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

Zero.

I would not pay MSRP for a tv unless it came with free delivery and installation plus a credit for a free calibration from the traveling pro of my choice. That said, I'm happy that some do pay MSRP. So, thank you.

Well it does come with free installation and set up and a free calibration albeit from the geek squad. Also a bunch of reward points.
post #762 of 1309
60,000 units? No problem getting one, especially at $4000 a piece. There are few people who appreciate the quality a plasma gives. All the bad rumors and press keep 90% of people away from plasmas. I recently bought a VT50 55" from my BB at the end of February. Well, I told them I wanted a bigger screen. The manager was cool about it. He said when the new VTs and ZTs come in , I could return my VT for full credit towards a new set. BB gets to much bad wrap. Granted I did purchase a large order from them back in February.
post #763 of 1309
Best Buy has been great for me as well, they even helped me get a price match for a product I bought at a different store.
post #764 of 1309
I just purchased the 65" ZT60 yesterday from my local BestBuy. I didn't pay MSRP, I was actually offered a discount without even asking by the sales associate. Maybe they did this because they don't sell high end TV's at this location very often. I live in Alabama, there aren't any Magnolia stores in the state. The sales associate went and got the manager and she took a little off. Maybe it was also due to the fact that I was interested in the protection plan, I know, don't buy these protection plans is what I hear all the time, it's a waste. However, with all the concern over IR, I figured what the heck, if I get a little IR, I'll get another TV, it's a 5 year protection plan. I have a Pioneer 6020FD, so I'm one of the Pioneer guys pulling the trigger on a set that is supposed to be better. I only pulled the trigger after seeing the first review of the European model. I got overly excited and ended up pre-ordering. tongue.gif

The manager called a Magnolia store in Atlanta for a sales associate she must deal with frequently, he was in her phone contact list. He said that he may have two on site and he would get back with her when he is in the store next week. I doubt this but hopefully it's true. I asked when did the computers say they are getting some in, she said they would be at the warehouse for the magnolia stores on May 19th. She said the computers also wouldn't allow them to look at other Magnolia stores local inventory to see if it was true that there are two.

Here is hoping I get it soon...
post #765 of 1309
Here is a email from Robert Zohn from value electronics in regards to a inquiry I had.

"Panasonic is building far less ZT60s than the actual demand so just getting one will be difficult. We are taking pre-orders with no deposit required. If you want to get on the list you have no obligation to take delivery, but we'll contact you when they become available.

The very first allocation to authorized dealers will be the end of August. Panasonic has an exclusive deal with Magnolia where very very limited first production units will begin to be sold on June 6th.

You would likely be just as happy with the VT60 as it's essentially the same display and you should seriously consider Samsung's 60" or 64" F8500 series."
post #766 of 1309
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I'm sitting here watch my outstanding VT50 and wondering if I made the right choice ordering the ZT. My VT has no IR problems. No buzzing that I can hear. No panel anomalies. I sure hope the ZT is everything they say it is.


Wait are they the same size? What are you going to do with the VT50?
post #767 of 1309
I just don't get why kuro people are blowing 4000 dollars for a tv that might give at best a 5% better overall picture and at worst could even fall short. Maybe the 7th gen and earlier kuro's will see a big enough upgrade to justify, or if you have a 50 inch kuro and need a bigger tv, but 8th and 9th gen 60" kuro owners really should just save the money. Upgrade something else in your living room instead. Maybe some new couches or a new sound system. Hate to say it but if you have a pdp-6010fd or above and you still spend 4000 on a zt60 you are most likely a spoiled selfish rich person that should be donating that money to a soup kitchen. I have a krp-500m (anything bigger in my small apartment would be unreasonable, viewing distance is exactly 51 inches from eyes to screen) and while the advances of the zt60 sound promising i question if they really are true advances in technology or more panasonic just catching up to what has already been done.

Not saying the zt60 doesn't have it's place. This will give many people the opportunity for kuro like quality that were unable to get their own kuro. Just boggles my mind all these kuro owners rushing to spend 4000 on something that on it's best day is only going to be just barely better. I also appreciate panasonic releasing something worthy enough to replace a kuro if your current kuro malfunctions. I think current kuro owners should do what I am doing. Save your money for a true upgrade, OLED. Take the 4000 you were going to rush and spend on a zt60 put it in the bank and keep adding to it as often as you can. When OLED comes out and matures a couple years you will be ready to buy one and it's not like you are suffering with the kuro while you wait.
post #768 of 1309
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Should i buy? I know damn well vinnie is! biggrin.gif

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P60ZT65B-P60ZT60-ZT65-60-Inch-3D-Plasma-Television_525/Review.html

Nah. I'll still wait for OLED. Don't think the improvements will be huge. The kuro trashing in that review is hilarious though. At least i can finally stop worrying if my kuro breaks. Didn't think it would reach 500m black levels.

You saprano are a smart man. I know you are loving the 500m as I love mine. We will happily enjoy the 500m's picture while our money sits in the bank account waiting for oleds to come down to the 4-6k range. And yup like I said it's nice to have a worthy replacement if the kuro fails though if i had to get a 60 inch i'd have to rearrange my apartment as I think a 51" viewing distance is too short for 60 inch tv.
post #769 of 1309
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

I'm sitting here watch my outstanding VT50 and wondering if I made the right choice ordering the ZT. My VT has no IR problems. No buzzing that I can hear. No panel anomalies. I sure hope the ZT is everything they say it is.


Wait are they the same size? What are you going to do with the VT50?

Same size 65". Crazy...huh? I have a buyer for my VT50. I still have time to come to my senses, but I will wait until after the shootout to decide.
post #770 of 1309
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Originally Posted by laststop311 View Post

I just don't get why kuro people are blowing 4000 dollars for a tv that might give at best a 5% better overall picture and at worst could even fall short. Maybe the 7th gen and earlier kuro's will see a big enough upgrade to justify, or if you have a 50 inch kuro and need a bigger tv, but 8th and 9th gen 60" kuro owners really should just save the money. Upgrade something else in your living room instead. Maybe some new couches or a new sound system. Hate to say it but if you have a pdp-6010fd or above and you still spend 4000 on a zt60 you are most likely a spoiled selfish rich person that should be donating that money to a soup kitchen. I have a krp-500m (anything bigger in my small apartment would be unreasonable, viewing distance is exactly 51 inches from eyes to screen) and while the advances of the zt60 sound promising i question if they really are true advances in technology or more panasonic just catching up to what has already been done.

Not saying the zt60 doesn't have it's place. This will give many people the opportunity for kuro like quality that were unable to get their own kuro. Just boggles my mind all these kuro owners rushing to spend 4000 on something that on it's best day is only going to be just barely better. I also appreciate panasonic releasing something worthy enough to replace a kuro if your current kuro malfunctions. I think current kuro owners should do what I am doing. Save your money for a true upgrade, OLED. Take the 4000 you were going to rush and spend on a zt60 put it in the bank and keep adding to it as often as you can. When OLED comes out and matures a couple years you will be ready to buy one and it's not like you are suffering with the kuro while you wait.
I agree that is seems crazy to demote a Kuro or even a 2012 Panasonic but some people can't sleep knowing there may be a better TV out there. Others get bored or just have a lot of disposable income. Besides, who's to say what is an acceptable amount to spend on a TV? Were you a "spoiled selfish rich person" when you bought your KRP-500M? As I recall they were going for about the same price as the 60" ZT.
Edited by repete66211 - 5/5/13 at 3:30pm
post #771 of 1309
^Touche'. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by laststop311 View Post

You saprano are a smart man. I know you are loving the 500m as I love mine. We will happily enjoy the 500m's picture while our money sits in the bank account waiting for oleds to come down to the 4-6k range. And yup like I said it's nice to have a worthy replacement if the kuro fails though if i had to get a 60 inch i'd have to rearrange my apartment as I think a 51" viewing distance is too short for 60 inch tv.
Saprano has a 60" model. I have a 111FD, but I wouldn't mind something a bit larger since I have found myself sitting up to 10 feet away. If that makes me stoopid, so be it.
post #772 of 1309
I think I may have hit a sore spot mentioning getting a zt60 to replace my 6020fd. Well....The 6020fd isn't getting replaced, it's going to the master bedroom and will be watched at night regularly, and now I'll have a bigger TV in the living room and I want 3D for some gaming. I know, I know, someone who wants 3D eek.gif
post #773 of 1309
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Originally Posted by Glashub View Post

Hey Vinnie, how do you figure Robert got at least 2 and nobody else has them -- and why isn't he shipping them?

PS - There is one picture on his site where the whole frame looks like it's a shiny chrome and then others that look like a ZT. I'm confused.

They shipped him two in case there was an issue with one.
post #774 of 1309
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

Same size 65". Crazy...huh? I have a buyer for my VT50. I still have time to come to my senses, but I will wait until after the shootout to decide.


Well hopfully you are planning to get your set professionally calibrated, otherwise the shootout will only tell you so much. Its great to here the shootout results, but if you dont plan on getting your set pro calibrated, then you may be missing on some potential of you set....


Persoanlly what Im looking forward to seeing is how the VT\ZT stack up in the ANSI tests compared to the reviews we have seen fr om the UK. Seeing as the UK sets dont seem to suffer from the same grayscale calibration issuees however, it makes me think there may be some very different things going on internally.....
post #775 of 1309
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Originally Posted by repete66211 View Post

Maybe you should have donated the price of your KRP-500M to a soup kitchen.

my 500m was bought to replace an old Sony CRT. So it was an actual useful upgrade and not money thrown away. buying a zt60 to replace an 8/9 gen kuro is just silly. It is a barely even noticeable improvement if that. You are just too rich and spoiled if you are replacing an 8/9 gen 60" kuro with a zt60. Sure you can say to yourself it's a 65 incher and i really need the extra size so thats why, to me that just doesn't justify 4000 dollars. Keep your 60 inch kuro and throw the 4000 in the bank and start saving for that 4k oled set. Then again I guess if your so rich as to just "upgrade" your kuro to the zt60 you probably dont need to save up for the oled. Must be nice to be able to throw around money on upgrades that are barely an upgrade like you dont have a care in the world.

For all of us 99%'s that cant throw money around like the elitist 1%'s we will be doing just fine watching movies on the older kuros till oleds are a viable option. No matter how good any plasma or lcd set is if you have a kuro only oled gives enough of an upgrade to make spending any money worth it.
post #776 of 1309
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Originally Posted by laststop311 View Post

my 500m was bought to replace an old Sony CRT. So it was an actual useful upgrade and not money thrown away. buying a zt60 to replace an 8/9 gen kuro is just silly. It is a barely even noticeable improvement if that. You are just too rich and spoiled if you are replacing an 8/9 gen 60" kuro with a zt60. Sure you can say to yourself it's a 65 incher and i really need the extra size so thats why, to me that just doesn't justify 4000 dollars. Keep your 60 inch kuro and throw the 4000 in the bank and start saving for that 4k oled set. Then again I guess if your so rich as to just "upgrade" your kuro to the zt60 you probably dont need to save up for the oled. Must be nice to be able to throw around money on upgrades that are barely an upgrade like you dont have a care in the world.

For all of us 99%'s that cant throw money around like the elitist 1%'s we will be doing just fine watching movies on the older kuros till oleds are a viable option. No matter how good any plasma or lcd set is if you have a kuro only oled gives enough of an upgrade to make spending any money worth it.
Methinks you spend too much time worrying about how others spend their own money.
post #777 of 1309
My reasons to replace my 151HD would be that it is a bit of a heater and a power hog, doesn't have 3D nor wireless (firmware updates). Don't need a TV that is much "better" but a TV that is as good with more features.......and I am not rich either. eek.gif
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Same size 65". Crazy...huh? I have a buyer for my VT50. I still have time to come to my senses, but I will wait until after the shootout to decide.


Well hopfully you are planning to get your set professionally calibrated, otherwise the shootout will only tell you so much. Its great to here the shootout results, but if you dont plan on getting your set pro calibrated, then you may be missing on some potential of you set....


Persoanlly what Im looking forward to seeing is how the VT\ZT stack up in the ANSI tests compared to the reviews we have seen fr om the UK. Seeing as the UK sets dont seem to suffer from the same grayscale calibration issuees however, it makes me think there may be some very different things going on internally.....

Yes, I always get my sets professionally calibrated.
post #779 of 1309
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Originally Posted by mbyrnes View Post

OMS ordering is good. I think it means best buy actually has possession of them. Once it shows up in that system it shouldn't be long at all. I got my VT 65" not long at all after it popped up in OMS. I was going into my best buy Magnolia every few days.

I did notice that on their website you could select the model and then check for store availability. There is a tab for warehouse supply. None of the stores had them but the warehouse did. That is when I went and ordered it in store. First the order tab had to change from coming soon though!

OMS(Order Management System) visibility is not an indication that Best Buy has possession of inventory. In order to allow customers the ability to purchase pre-launch, orders were allowed in the system. They are taken as backorders simply because the inventory has not arrived yet, so that is not an indication of limited inventory levels.
post #780 of 1309
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

OMS(Order Management System) visibility is not an indication that Best Buy has possession of inventory. In order to allow customers the ability to purchase pre-launch, orders were allowed in the system. They are taken as backorders simply because the inventory has not arrived yet, so that is not an indication of limited inventory levels.

Speakerphile. A lot people have been given delivery dates in the May 14-17 area. Mine is May 15th. My MHT mgr. says that is when the ZT is scheduled to be in the local BB warehouse and they will start delivering them as soon as they hit the warehouse. He said June 6th is the day they will have them in the showroom. Do you if these dates are realistic? I'm hoping he is right but it seems they might be a little optimistic.
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