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post #241 of 398
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Pre-Calibration Tools + Verify Calibration Tools Workflows for CalMAN 5.2a.

I have just updaTED my website page with informations about the CalMAN 5 Workflows for Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk Users.

I will email to to all disk users the download link for these 2 workflows in a few minutes.

These 2 workflow can be loaded from CalMAN 5 Enthousiast or Ultimate Licence users but I received a msg today from a CalMAN Professional User that had upgraded from CalMAN 4 and SpectraCAL gave him the Design Mode Add-On, he told me that he can open these 2 workflows without any problem.

So they can be loaded from any CalMAN 5 user with Design Mode Add-On Licence also.

* I have updated my above picture posts with that new info that came today.
post #242 of 398
I wanted to add to all that has been said about TED's calibration disk.

It has an exhaustive list of patterns that I have not seen in any of the other discs (and I have quite a few). Its just as complete as anyone can imagine ( and more, id the tunnel patterns, the sharpness patterns etc..)

Its an enthusiast's dream come true. The patterns are all well laid out and can highlight issues that can be hidden by just looking at conventional patterns, especially when making large lut or multipoint greyscale calibration.

I believe it will also be useful for professionals as the patterns are there to be used to verify your calibration after using a test pattern generator.

Worth the price in my opinion.

Thanks Ted.
post #243 of 398
The new CM5 beta does fix the auto advance issues. However, I did notice something noteworthy in the pre-calibration tools workflow. It does auto advance without needing the auto advance feature being checked under the source. So, if I check that box, it advances two patterns at once.

However, the pre and post calibration report in the verify calibration tools workflow require the box to be checked for the patterns to auto advance.
post #244 of 398
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The new CM5 beta does fix the auto advance issues. However, I did notice something noteworthy in the pre-calibration tools workflow. It does auto advance without needing the auto advance feature being checked under the source. So, if I check that box, it advances two patterns at once.

However, the pre and post calibration report in the verify calibration tools workflow require the box to be checked for the patterns to auto advance.

Pre-Calibration Tools Workflow is designed to not require Auto Advance Enabled, because the RGB Balance / Near Black / Dynamic Range Pages have a single read button for each required reading per workflow page.

I forgot to tell this, I will inform my disk users immediatelly wink.gif

Only The Verify Calibration Tools Workflow needs Auto Advance Enabled.
post #245 of 398
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Pre-Calibration Tools Workflow is designed to not require Auto Advance Enabled, because the RGB Balance / Near Black / Dynamic Range Pages have a single read button for each required reading per workflow page.

I forgot to tell this, I will inform my disk users immediatelly wink.gif

Only The Verify Calibration Tools Workflow needs Auto Advance Enabled.

ok
post #246 of 398
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At one of my previous posts I have uploaded 2 Chapters of Video Preview of:

Display Characterization - LightSpace: Quick Profiling Primary Colors

&

Verify Calibration Tools - CalMAN: Color Checker Classic

Here are another 2 videos of:

Pre-Calibration Tools - Advanced Brightness Flashing Bars


* Change the resolution to 1080p and run it at fullscreen.

Each ChromaPure Chapter starts with a 5 sec of Chapter Information Details, and after that there is a 2 sec pattern info announcement before each color patch to prepare you of what you will measure; after that pattern info announcement there is 1 sec of black frame and then 10 sec for the color patch, if you like you can use your player remote next button to go faster to the next color patch.

RGB Triplets from each Color Patch are coming from the exact RGB Triplets that ChromaPure Color Engine Calculations are based.

Each ChromaPure Chapter has the exact pattern order as ChromaPure request it.

&

Verify Calibration Tools - ChromaPure: 4-Step Amplitude


* Change the resolution to 1080p and run it at fullscreen.

Each Pre-Calibration Chapter starts with a 5 sec of Chapter Information Details with RGB Triplet Levels also. These Chapters have 2 min. of total time to give users enough time to check different display settings.
post #247 of 398
I was able to test the 2 custom workflows today with the new CM5 build. My results were great, but for some reason the luminance readings for the saturation sweeps only appear after selecting the luminance sweeps and then going back to the saturation sweeps (using the buttons on the bottom right corner, not the left hand side). Here are my results of the various sweeps and colorcheckers:









post #248 of 398
Also, I have a question: Is there a reason 100% stim is selected for the saturation sweeps by default over 75% stim?
post #249 of 398
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I was able to test the 2 custom workflows today with the new CM5 build. My results were great, but for some reason the luminance readings for the saturation sweeps only appear after selecting the luminance sweeps and then going back to the saturation sweeps (using the buttons on the bottom right corner, not the left hand side). Here are my results of the various sweeps and colorcheckers:

Nice Charts! The thing you are mentioning is happening for me also for over 6 months, when i'm using this workflow. It's randomly, the luminance charts are disappear also in Color Checker page or at Luminance page. One day i will record this and send it to Joel to find the quick fix.
post #250 of 398
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Also, I have a question: Is there a reason 100% stim is selected for the saturation sweeps by default over 75% stim?

Nope. I did this for all pages to have the same setting.
post #251 of 398
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Nice Charts! The thing you are mentioning is happening for me also for over 6 months, when i'm using this workflow. It's randomly, the luminance charts are disappear also in Color Checker page or at Luminance page. One day i will record this and send it to Joel to find the quick fix.

i wonder what it is. I didn't see the issue with the color checker, but I wasn't looking for it so maybe I missed it.
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Nope. I did this for all pages to have the same setting.

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post #252 of 398
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Nice Charts! The thing you are mentioning is happening for me also for over 6 months, when i'm using this workflow. It's randomly, the luminance charts are disappear also in Color Checker page or at Luminance page. One day i will record this and send it to Joel to find the quick fix.

i wonder what it is. I didn't see the issue with the color checker, but I wasn't looking for it so maybe I missed it.
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Nope. I did this for all pages to have the same setting.

ok

Try to save you Data Session and then loaded it again, if you see a chart that is missing, forward this cdfx file to Joel to examine it. wink.gif
post #253 of 398
I checked and color checker classic, color checker sg fleshtones, and saturation sweeps were missing the luminance chart.
post #254 of 398
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I checked and color checker classic, color checker sg fleshtones, and saturation sweeps were missing the luminance chart.

Exactly, if you go to next page and then back, it will be displayed correctly. Zip this cdx file and PM it to Joel, I'm sure he will fix this to the next CalMAN release.
post #255 of 398
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I checked and color checker classic, color checker sg fleshtones, and saturation sweeps were missing the luminance chart.

Exactly, if you go to next page and then back, it will be displayed correctly. Zip this cdx file and PM it to Joel, I'm sure he will fix this to the next CalMAN release.

I will have an updated version of the CalMAN 5 workflows for my disk users later today with new additional layout pages wink.gif

I'll keep you posted guys. wink.gif
post #256 of 398
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Today I have added some new pages for the Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk CalMAN 5 Workflow Users.



This Meter Profiling Check layout page is useful for users to check if their meter profiling correction table is accurate.

I'm sure you will be surprised when you will find out that your familiar meter profiling procedure you followed since now maybe has create some not valid tables for some reason but you haven't realized that this is be possible because you have always followed the correct way but you haven't checked it.

Use this Reference Meter Page to take WRGB measurements using your Spectro and after that run your meter profiling procedure. (re-measure again the WRGB patches using your spectro and colorimeter)

Later, use the Profiled Meter Page to measure the WRGB Patches with your Profiled Meter to see if the correction table is accurate vs. your reference meter readings.

You will found that sometimes it will need to re-perform your meter profiling 2-3 times to get you accepted results. Count also your meter repeatability/display instability here that maybe produce inaccurate meter correction tables.



Here is a 11-Point Grayscale for users who want to use their internal display multiple-step grayscale RGB Balance Controls in case they have checked before that if these controls are not introducing problems in Grayscale Ramps.



White Balance page can be used to check differencies of meter integration time or sync settings to help you find out your best repeatability/speed meter setting of your current display.



You can use this Color & Tint Page to check your Gamut performance, check what is happening by tweak your Color or Tint settings, help you choose your color space, or manual perform 6-Axis CMS Calibration. There indicators that will help users with HSL or RGB Display Controls of each color.

* Meter Profiling Check Page has been added to Verify Calibration Tools Workflow also.

More Screenshots of CalMAN 5 Workflow Pages that my disk user have access can be found here.
post #257 of 398

I have used this disk pattern for some days and I found it incredibile;I have only few suggestions:

- a pattern for plasma ritention (es. a wash pattern with noise)

- The contrast ANSI pattern not only in Chromapure section but also in pre-calibration or post-calibration section

-  in Calman, "Read Series" of Clip pattern start with 100% pattern: can "Verify Calibration Tools" -> Calman -> Dynamic Range start with 100% pattern?

There is a pattern for evaluate chroma upsampling error as that found in Spears&Munsil (Chroma alignment Diamonds)?

post #258 of 398
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I have used this disk pattern for some days and I found it incredibile;I have only few suggestions:
- a pattern for plasma ritention (es. a wash pattern with noise)
- The contrast ANSI pattern not only in Chromapure section but also in pre-calibration or post-calibration section
-  in Calman, "Read Series" of Clip pattern start with 100% pattern: can "Verify Calibration Tools" -> Calman -> Dynamic Range start with 100% pattern?
There is a pattern for evaluate chroma upsampling error as that found in Spears&Munsil (Chroma alignment Diamonds)?

Hello, Thank you for posting your feedback using my webpage 'Leave Your Feedback' form, I have just updated the 'View Users Feedback' Page with your comment.

- As for Plasma Protection, I will note this, if i can add something to a future release.

- For Contrast Chapter, i like better to have these chapter at one place in the disk and not dublicated. Sorry frown.gif

- For the Dynamic Range Pattern Order, if you have plasma you will see that the current order gives better measurements. If you like, using your remote you can press the 4 or 5 number button to go directly to 100% White and then the '1' button to start with the 90% Gray. If you use my Workflows, read series button is removed, It's simplier to use. smile.gif

- I will note if I can design some Chroma Upsampling Patterns for a future release, but the Spears & Munsil can't be replaced, any calibrator must have this disk to his collection.
post #259 of 398

thanks for the answers;

in Clipping layout (and in the other layout without read series button) why don't you add a button to read series in the same order of that found in your pattern?

in Pre-Calibration tools workflow in 11-Point and Color Tint layout on "Read Continuous" button is displayed the string "Read Series" and in autocal button is displayed "Read continuous"

post #260 of 398
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thanks for the answers;
in Clipping layout (and in the other layout without read series button) why don't you add a button to read series in the same order of that found in your pattern?
in Pre-Calibration tools workflow in 11-Point and Color Tint layout on "Read Continuous" button is displayed the string "Read Series" and in autocal button is displayed "Read continuous"

Hello, For the Clipping Layout, the Read Series Order is coming internally by CalMAN's default, noone can able to change this, only the developers of CalMAN.
I have add buttons to take any read you want anytime. 90,95,100 etc, each value has it;s own button.

Thank for finding these ToolTip info bugs, i will correct them.
post #261 of 398
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For the Clipping Layout, the Read Series Order is coming internally by CalMAN's default, noone can able to change this, only the developers of CalMAN.

you can add a button with "Read All Icon" as image button and as pre action METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(30);METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(80);METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(100)

so when I click on this button the program read 30,80 and then 100

post #262 of 398
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For the Clipping Layout, the Read Series Order is coming internally by CalMAN's default, noone can able to change this, only the developers of CalMAN.
you can add a button with "Read All Icon" as image button and as pre action METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(30);METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(80);METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(100)
so when I click on this button the program read 30,80 and then 100

Yes but who will change the patterns on time? unless you will have checked the prompt for pattern change, right?
post #263 of 398
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Originally Posted by ConnecTEDDD View Post

For the Clipping Layout, the Read Series Order is coming internally by CalMAN's default, noone can able to change this, only the developers of CalMAN.
you can add a button with "Read All Icon" as image button and as pre action METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(30);METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(80);METER.READSINGLEGRAYSCALE(100)
so when I click on this button the program read 30,80 and then 100

Yes but who will change the patterns on time? unless you will have checked the prompt for pattern change, right?

You will still have to click the 'OK' the same times as per manual clicking each button. It will not speed up, that's why i don't use it. wink.gif
post #264 of 398

if I use "Pre-Calibration Tools Workflow" and 3-Point 30-80-100 layout with "Pattern Change Prompts Enabled", to take the measure of the three pattern I should

click/touch (I'm using a tablet with touch screen) on 30 and then click/touch on OK and the same operation for 80 and 100

If there is a read series button I click/touch only on OK of the Prompt window that is always displayed in the same position and so the process should be faster

In 11-Point 0-100%, with auto advance enabled if I measure,for example, a 20% pattern, the next pattern is the 40% and not the 30%: is it ok? should I change some options?

post #265 of 398
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if I use "Pre-Calibration Tools Workflow" and 3-Point 30-80-100 layout with "Pattern Change Prompts Enabled", to take the measure of the three pattern I should
click/touch (I'm using a tablet with touch screen) on 30 and then click/touch on OK and the same operation for 80 and 100
If there is a read series button I click/touch only on OK of the Prompt window that is always displayed in the same position and so the process should be faster
In 11-Point 0-100%, with auto advance enabled if I measure,for example, a 20% pattern, the next pattern is the 40% and not the 30%: is it ok? should I change some options?

The following note it was inside to the email I send to the users:

Pre-Calibration Tools Workflow is designed to not require Auto Advance Enabled (Setting available @ Source Panel), because the RGB Balance / Near Black / Dynamic Range Pages have a single read button for each required reading per workflow page.

If you like to use the Auto Advance, Go to Design Mode and remove the 'SOURCE.NEXT' from the Read Button of 11-P Grayscale. You can make any other change you like and to fix the buttons to your taste wink.gif
post #266 of 398

yes, excuse me a lot, it was clearly written,I should pay more attention to your email

 

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You can make any other change you like and to fix the buttons to your taste wink.gif

   I will put the read series button on the pre-calibration workflow :)

post #267 of 398
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You can make any other change you like and to fix the buttons to your taste wink.gif
   I will put the read series button on the pre-calibration workflow smile.gif

Cool, the users were have access to these custom workflows they can use their CalMAN design mode to remove layout pages or tweak the currect pages upon their needs smile.gif

It's flexible wink.gif
post #268 of 398
Hi Ted,
When will be the MP4 version ready please?
Thanks
Peter
post #269 of 398
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Hi Ted,
When will be the MP4 version ready please?
Thanks
Peter

Hello Peter, I believe the MP4 File Version will be ready at the end of next week. wink.gif
post #270 of 398
Hi Ted,

these are good news, my friend. Then everyone will be able to calibrate their HTPCs and MediaPlayers. Can't wait to get the files... smile.gif

Ted, would it be a big bother to increase the playtime of each chapter of the "DIP Mode Meter Time/Patch Finder", to 3 minutes or so, to achieve more readings? (talking about the disc)
Or can You tell me the RGB triplets You used, than I can create my own files?
Edited by DrFaxe - 12/13/13 at 7:24am
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