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post #31 of 76
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Ableton Live happened, and it is amazing.
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

For real! Not to change the subject but what ever happened to manual beat matching??? Turntables are disappearing and so are DJ skills. Okay I am done with that. I had to say it. mad.gif
post #32 of 76
That is more for producing music. I am talking about spinning.
post #33 of 76
Being a DJ today means being a warm body standing in front of a laptop. There are still a few good ones out there, getting few and far between though.
post #34 of 76
agree
post #35 of 76
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Originally Posted by WagBoss View Post

so do you need a 50A circuit or something for this... lol

Exactly, there is no way it could come close to that rating from a standard 120v/15A outlet.
post #36 of 76
the mc2 e100 puts out 3700rms a ch x 4 @2ohms and 14800 watts rms (4ch bridged to 2ch ) @ 4ohms thats 7400 per ch eek.gif
its a class d but it sounds beautiful

it will pull 19.4amps at full load but it has a input mains limiter so it will pull no more than 10amps smile.gif

but at £3536.40(gbp) its not cheep
post #37 of 76
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

That is more for producing music. I am talking about spinning.

Phrase Mixing and Song Swapping. My forté and the award I got from Billboard Magazine. The good old days when hitting a club meant people not machinery. And thank God that there have been enough "DJ's" that still use vinyl to keep it alive AND that kids today are realizing that vinyl sounds better than MP3's and whatnot. I've always known so. Enough so that every record company now has at lest one vinyl pressing plant up and operating with more to follow. And the makers of UBS turntables are putting just as much attention to the regular "phonograph" part of their products as they are the USB. I still have my Technics SL1200MKII's, the longest continuous unchanged turntable on the market. The there is still the nutso high turntable market. $500k for a turntable. I've sold them to people that would jump on this amp. Many of them. Amps that is.
Edited by FarmerBob - 1/31/13 at 10:53am
post #38 of 76
This just looks like a inuke 6000 that is stable to 2ohms. Whoopeee!
post #39 of 76
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Originally Posted by ucc-sounds View Post

the mc2 e100 puts out 3700rms a ch x 4 @2ohms and 14800 watts rms (4ch bridged to 2ch ) @ 4ohms thats 7400 per ch eek.gif
its a class d but it sounds beautiful

it will pull 19.4amps at full load but it has a input mains limiter so it will pull no more than 10amps smile.gif

but at £3536.40(gbp) its not cheep

Impossible at full rated output.

If you're actually putting out 14800 watts then you need more than that coming in. On a 240V main, 14800W would be >60 amps and you'd need more than that due to inefficiency. 19A must be at average music power, clipping "X" percent of time, type of rating.
Edited by whoaru99 - 2/3/13 at 11:04am
post #40 of 76
(IF and WHEN) the amp ever shows up on the streets, we'll eventually know what Behringer means by 1200 watts . . . . .
I'm a skeptic but I'll wait and see what the power output of the amp is at say, 10Hz.
post #41 of 76
The NU1000/3000/6000 was announced almost a year before one could actually buy one.

That NU6000 is actually two bridged NU3000 in one case. So is the NU12000 two bridged NU6000? Or four square bridged NU3000?smile.gif

Will there be a NU12000-4 with 3,000 Watt x 4?smile.gif

Questions, questions....
post #42 of 76
So does that mean it will be a year from now before this beast is available?
post #43 of 76
Relaying this from the iNuke thread on HTShack.
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A message from Behringer on this issue:

Dear All,

Thanks for your interest in the iNuke amplifier series. I have to apologize for a typo on the marketing feature list of NU12000DSP.
NU12000 technically is based around 4 amplifier modules, two pairs of which are internally working in a bridge mode configuration, already.
Hence, there is no further option for bridging channels and the minimal load impedance is 4 Ohms, each. We will immediately fix the web featurelist to correctly state:
2 x 6000 Watts into 4 Ohms, 2 x 3,000 Watts into 8 Ohms

Sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope that makes sense to you.

Regards,

Jan Duwe
Assistant Manager Conceptual Engineering
MUSIC-GROUP Services EU
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post #44 of 76
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Originally Posted by baniels View Post

Relaying this from the iNuke thread on HTShack.

That info exists because of the diligence of AVS members, the other site picked up the news almost a week later.

Here is the original post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454879/theres-a-new-sheriff-in-town-inuke-dsp-12000/120#post_23008700
post #45 of 76
Ah. Pardon.
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Originally Posted by baniels View Post

Relaying this from the iNuke thread on HTShack.

That info exists because of the diligence of AVS members, the other site picked up the news almost a week later.

Here is the original post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454879/theres-a-new-sheriff-in-town-inuke-dsp-12000/120#post_23008700
post #46 of 76
Any updates on this lightweight beast?
post #47 of 76
Once again I asked Uli Behringer for an update on the release of the Inuke 12000 in the Behringer Q and A thread over at prosoundweb.com. He stated the release date is now the end of January, 2014. frown.gif

Man this is killing me. I NEED to know which is more powerful between the Inuke 12000 and Ipr2-7500 before I can finalize my sub amp purchase.
post #48 of 76
Nice checking up on that. Hey, the end of January 2014 isn't too far away. wink.gif
post #49 of 76
If you need your amp now, then the IPR2 7500 is a fine amp!
post #50 of 76
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If you need your amp now, then the IPR2 7500 is a fine amp!

I understand. However I will only be purchasing one uber powerful sub amp next year so I want tbe most powerful amp under $1000 available. So I will wait for a comparison between this amp and the 7500 before I make my decision.
Edited by Swolephile - 12/21/13 at 6:00am
post #51 of 76
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Originally Posted by Swolephile View Post

I understand. However I will only be purchasing one uber powerful sub amp next year so I want tbe most powerful amp under $1000 available. So I will wait for a comparison between this amp and the 7500 before make my decision.

What about the LG clone? That thing is a beast and it is under a grand.
post #52 of 76
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

What about the LG clone? That thing is a beast and it is under a grand.

Love the specs on the clones but I can't deal with their horrible durability. Im willing to take less power for something that will last for a minimum of five years or more. Or at least a warranty as a backup.
post #53 of 76
I understand your concerns. They are valid points.
post #54 of 76
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

Exactly, there is no way it could come close to that rating from a standard 120v/15A outlet.

You can pull huge peaks from a 15A or 20A line. If you're bench testing it for continuous power, yeah, of course a 15A line won't allow it to produce continuous rated power.
post #55 of 76
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Originally Posted by whoaru99 View Post

You can pull huge peaks from a 15A or 20A line. If you're bench testing it for continuous power, yeah, of course a 15A line won't allow it to produce continuous rated power.

I don't mean any of this in a mean or disrespectful way to anyone... This is just some helpful info for everyone posting about running this amp through a standard 15Amp or 20Amp Edison.

If you don't know what a 32A Powercon connector is... Then you don't even need to be looking for an amp this big. Your speakers probably can't even use half what this amp will put out. You will just damage your equipment from neglegence.

The iu12000dsp does not have a basic Edison style plug like the smaller iNukes. It has a Powercon 32A inlet. This amp is setup to pull 25Amps at 220Volts or 50amps at 110Volts. You can run this on a standard wall socket, but you can only run it at about half before tripping a breaker.

I personally can't wait to get this in our shop and see the results! Even if it doesn't quite put out 6000 Watts RMS... Where else can you find an amp that powerful with an extremely high quality DSP and protection for under $1000? Yes! High quality! If Behringer does anything right, it would be digital processing for sure!

Oh.. And people talking about 10Hz... This is a musical amp, not a theater amp. You will need a whole different style of amp for installs like that. Only look at the musical characteristics down to 20Hz. The average human ear can only hear down to around or slightly below 30Hz.

I hope this information helps everyone and have an amazing day! :-)
Edited by mblakebiellier - 1/9/14 at 9:53pm
post #56 of 76
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Originally Posted by mblakebiellier View Post

I don't mean any of this in a mean or disrespectful way to anyone... This is just some helpful info for everyone posting about running this amp through a standard 15Amp or 20Amp Edison.

If you don't know what a 32A Powercon connector is... Then you don't even need to be looking for an amp this big. Your speakers probably can't even use half what this amp will put out. You will just damage your equipment from neglegence.

Trust me when I tell you that people can use way more than this amp can provide! That are some serious setups on this forum!
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The iu12000dsp does not have a basic Edison style plug like the smaller iNukes. It has a Powercon 32A inlet. This amp is setup to pull 25Amps at 220Volts or 50amps at 110Volts. You can run this on a standard wall socket, but you can only run it at about half before tripping a breaker.

Probably better to get a dedicated circuit for this I agree, but this is for peak usage and not continuous sign waves. So I disagree with your statement.
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I personally can't wait to get this in our shop and see the results! Even if it doesn't quite put out 6000 Watts RMS... Where else can you find an amp that powerful with an extremely high quality DSP and protection for under $1000? Yes! High quality! If Behringer does anything right, it would be digital processing for sure!

I would love to see your bench tests too!
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Oh.. And people talking about 10Hz... This is a musical amp, not a theater amp. You will need a whole different style of amp for installs like that. Only look at the musical characteristics down to 20Hz. The average human ear can only hear down to around or slightly below 30Hz.
The human ear can hear down to 20hz. The subsonic bass is what people spent a lot of money on and what so many people crave!



Advice.....There are a lot of purists on this forum. Just be careful on how you say things and what you say even with the disclaimer. wink.gif That being said, this is a wonderful forum with a lot of great information that only costs you your time. So, welcome to AVS!
post #57 of 76
It would be nice, if someone did a blind a/b testing with these amps Vs a $2000 per channel audiophile amp.
I did that, many years ago..
To compare Crown $400 amp vs my Bryston amps - either 4bst or 7bst I forgot..
My installer gave me a switch which switched the speakers from one amp to the other (both amps were ON and were running the same CD source).

I could identify the Brystons as being some what superior but the superiority was very minimal. Now those were not very high end speakers.. Maybe $2000/pair..
I for one, am convinced that Pro amps like Crown and QSC are excellent for home theatre and are much better bang for the buck. You can spend the money you save on amps, with a higher end audio processor.

I designed two systems for two friends. Both of which, I chose Anthem Processor and QSC amps. I find that such a system is far superior to a $5000 audio receiver, with built in amps. While fidelity of an audiophile amp inside a receiver might well be superior, the "head room" of a high power amp more than compensates.. The high power does not mean that we actually would need/use that power - it just gives better "control" of the speaker cones, with the higher voltage/current available for speaker voice cone extrusion and control... that's my 2 cents worth of belief anyway and I would admit that I am no expert on this subject!

I don't know how good Behringer amps are.. Are the as good as the "typical" Crown/QSC (both of which, I would say, are pretty good and equally good).

Of course, there is no reason most of us typical home theatre users, to need 12kw of power.. As someone else wrote.. perhaps they are suitable for driving very large subwoofers..
post #58 of 76
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Originally Posted by mblakebiellier View Post

I don't mean any of this in a mean or disrespectful way to anyone... This is just some helpful info for everyone posting about running this amp through a standard 15Amp or 20Amp Edison.

If you don't know what a 32A Powercon connector is... Then you don't even need to be looking for an amp this big. Your speakers probably can't even use half what this amp will put out. You will just damage your equipment from neglegence.

The above is not applicable to home users unless they do sine wave testing or listen extremely loudly to highly compressed music.

For the rest of us, the peak power output is needed to avoid clipping on peaks, which can be 20 dB higher than the average power, which is what is relevant to wire, connector, and circuit breaker ratings.

So clipping a 2 kW amp can occur when the average power 20 W.
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Originally Posted by mblakebiellier View Post

Oh.. And people talking about 10Hz... This is a musical amp, not a theater amp. You will need a whole different style of amp for installs like that. Only look at the musical characteristics down to 20Hz. The average human ear can only hear down to around or slightly below 30Hz.

Movie soundtracks often have content that goes far below 20 Hz, which is felt, and also heard if the SPL is sufficiently high.
post #59 of 76
Has anyone ever determined if these things are or ever will be available for purchase?
post #60 of 76
Yeah. I'm sure they are coming out soon. Q1 2014 was listed.

Also there are now Amazon placeholders for them but... that doesn't mean much but they did just go up the other night.
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