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post #31 of 76
2/14/13 at 7:41am
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Lol no idea what I did in that last post. Hope your able to decipher all that.
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post #32 of 76
2/14/13 at 8:00am
One HDMI from the AV receiver to the TV. One Cat6 from wherever your internet router is to the TV. That way there is an internet hookup there in the future for a smart tv, playstation, whatever. There's no return for the cat6, running two cables would only be for having two internet connections at the TV (which may be handy but could also be accomplished by cascading a hub or switch there as well).
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post #33 of 76
2/14/13 at 11:56am
There was no way I could get everything on one order.....every time I thought I had it all I ended up needing something else. Best thing to do is walk through your space starting with each component you plan on installing and list the items needed for their connections.....for example I did Surround Sound systems needs: banana plugs to speaker wire then more banana plugs to wall plate; behind the wall has another set of banana plugs to more speaker wire (measure distance) to more banana plugs to another wall plate; then another set of plugs to more speaker wire to more plugs to the back of the AVR.....and that was just for 1 speaker.
Do the same for each component, XBox, PS3, Blueray player, etc. for your specific setup. Personally I'm not going to use an IR extender because of the location of my media cabinet.
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post #34 of 76
2/15/13 at 9:15pm
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I'm trying to find a wall plate to use behind my tv. I'll have hdmi,cat6, center speaker, amd possibly sub (don't know where in the room that should be placed. From reading some other threads I'm seeing people recommend it in the front of the room?) any recommendations on what to use?
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post #35 of 76
2/17/13 at 5:46pm
You don't have your Sub and Center Channel going to the back of the receiver?

Either way, I have something similar to this: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042513&p_id=8475&seq=1&format=2

One thing you can do (if you already have all of the media equipment) is to set it up in the room on the floor and see what plates/outlets you need.
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post #36 of 76
2/17/13 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by Nick Reyes View Post

You don't have your Sub and Center Channel going to the back of the receiver?

Yes, I have it running from the receiver, through the wall, to where the tv will be. I have my conduit ran to a new construction data box. I can't find what to use behind the tv, so I don't have to have a bunch of different single gang boxes. Hoping I could get one that had banana plug(for center) or 3 for lcr, rca(for sub) hdmi, and cat6 (incase I want to run Internet). I can't find anything that has this setup in a double or triple gang wall plate.
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post #37 of 76
2/18/13 at 6:34pm
You have any pictures of your setup and what you're trying to accomplish?

From the sounds of it this might work. You'd have to ask the seller if the empty spot beneath the coax can be removed and replaced with an ethernet keystone. This doesn't have power, but you could install a separate recessed surge protected outlet so there's room for the plug on the TV.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-RCA-A-V-HDMI-v1-4-COAX-CATV-10x-BANANA-PLUGS-BINDING-POSTS-FACE-PLATE-/190779423643#vi-content
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post #38 of 76
2/18/13 at 7:29pm
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I'll try to post some pictures later but I don't have much to take pictures of. I don't have my system. Or tv yet. I just started wiring the basement last weekend. Hopefully have it done next weekend. Started to run my conduit, and honestly the media cable part of this has been my biggest struggle. Just want to make sure I have everything the way I want it before the sheet rock hits the walls.
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post #39 of 76
2/19/13 at 7:48am
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Here's a few photos that may or may not help give you an idea of what I'm trying to figure out, along with a few more updated pics of the small progress I've made.

Under the stairs and what will be behind the bar where the AV rack will be.


I have some of the grey electrical conduit sitting in the soffit. I started to do a rough run with it just to figure out exactly what I want to do. I will be running it up the wall above the 2x8 header, then between the floor joists over to the soffit. From the soffit it will run about 15ft to the wall the tv will be on and turn 90° over to the tv(picture of below, kind of)


Just shows the end of the soffit. I have the 90 on the conduit but don't have the the extension going down the wall yet. Like I said this was just my test run to see how it would work.


So you can see where the conduit will travel from soffit to TV.


Started the electrical last weekend. Hopefully can finish this weekend. Roughing it out ate up more time that we thought. This is where I have my 1gang power outlet and as of right now I have a 2gang data box in there but that can be changed. This is the spot I'm trying to figure out what to use. When I start to run my cables and speaker wire I'm trying to figure out how to do it. My conduit will run to the orange box. I will definitely have hdmi and cat6 running to it. Idk if I should run my lcr speakers to the same area as well as my rca for the sub? If so I don't know how I should connect them? I what kind of wall plate? Or how else to do it? Never done this before. Do I do some of them separately? I don't want to have 4 different single gang boxes everywhere if I don't have to. NEED some suggestions. I'm open to anything. Pictures of how any of yours are done would be great.


This is just a picture of some of the 4" cans in the soffit above what will eventually be my bar.


The ceiling where I started getting the cans hooked up. Will have 6- 6" cans. Hope this was the right amount!


Hope this helped you help me lol. Let me know any thoughts or suggestions!
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post #40 of 76
2/20/13 at 1:10pm
You should only need to run HDMI from TV to Receiver then all speaker wire from speakers to the receiver. Think of your receiver as your central hub, not the TV.

The electric box behind your TV could also be changed so that you can just pull the wire through the wall. Most of the recessed boxes that I've seen are larger than a single gang box and would require space behind the drywall.....not sure if that makes sense. Go to Home Depot and look at the recessed boxes like this one and you'll see what I'm talking about. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202689907/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=Recessed&storeId=10051#.USU7kB2KLj4
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post #41 of 76
2/20/13 at 7:30pm
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I will have my center speaker and sub located at the front of the room though. So I will need to run at minimum the speaker wire for the center speaker plus the rca for the sub from my receiver to the area by my tv. Depending how close I have my left and right front speakers to the tv I thought I might just want the banana plug connections for those in the same spot. That would mean I would need HDMI, Cat6, RCA, 3 banana plugs. All ran from the receiver to the wall behind the tv. I will only have the HDMI and possibly cat6 if the tv I get is a smart tv hooked into the tv. I suppose I could just get seperate ones with banana plugs but I was trying to have the least amount of wall plates as possible. But yes this will all be running from my receiver, that will be under the stairs as shown above.

I was hoping to find something like this, but with a cat6 hook up in it, and I dont need 7 speaker hook ups. Im just referencing this one because its similar.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042503&p_id=6907&seq=1&format=2

I have no problem with putting up seperate banana plug wall plates for the left and right speakers. I just dont want to have one for my left, one for my right, one for my center, one for my sub, one for hdmi, one for cat 6 plus my power outlets, all on the same wall ya know? It will look tacky to have 7 seperate outlets all on one wall.

You think my best bet is to just use one of the low voltage recessed boxes and just let the wires hang out loosely? I was hoping to have wall plate with connections to keep down the clutter? Maybe this isnt even possible. I would assume someone out there, expecially after seeing some of the amazing basement finishes ive seen on here, has something? How does everyone else out here have the cables situated on the wall of there tv?
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post #42 of 76
2/24/13 at 12:03pm
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Would anyone be willing to share with me what they are using behind their tv as far as a wall plate?
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post #43 of 76
2/25/13 at 6:29am
You can get Keystone Jacks for all your connections. Then all you need is a blank able to support the number of connections you need.
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post #44 of 76
2/25/13 at 8:32am
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Would anyone be willing to share with me what they are using behind their tv as far as a wall plate?

I find it hard to believe that I'm the only person who uses a standard 19 cent blank wall plate and drills a hole in the middle and just has wires coming through it.
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post #45 of 76
2/25/13 at 4:22pm
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Wildcat, that's what I did. Took me way too long to figure that out haha.
I think it only cost me about $5 for all the keystones and the wall plate. Well worth the money to have it nice and organized.
Finally finished running my conduit today, so now once all my cables and speaker wire gets here I can get that ran and get ready for some drywall! Definitely not looking forward to that phase!
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post #46 of 76
2/26/13 at 6:03pm
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One thing I just thought of... I'm going to need to use an IR extender for my remote. I have zero experience with these. I haven't ordered one yet. Is there any cables I will need to run behind the wall before I hang my drywall? Do I need to get the extender before I hang the drywall?
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post #47 of 76
3/2/13 at 5:11am
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Anyone have any advise on this? Sorry dont mean to be pushy, just never used one before so dont really know what to do.

Is there any better ways to accomplish this besides the IR extender?
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post #48 of 76
3/2/13 at 6:47am
It depends on the IR repeater system you go with. Some use a cat5 cable such as the Niles. Me personally, I would either go RF or something like the Roomie. You can transmit signals over LAN, IR, or Rs232. I am just not a fan of IR line of sight complications.
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post #49 of 76
3/2/13 at 9:32am
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I guess I never really knew the difference from ir to rf. Just heard other people mention ir. After googling it a little I think rf is definitely what I want. Any other recommendations besides roomie? Looks great but idk if I like that your limited to using ios products. We have 2 in the home(wife's iphone n ipad mini) bit idk if I could talk her into letting me keep the ipad mini dedicated to the basement, and I don't want to have to look all around the house for it to change the channel.

Once again sorry if I'm asking obvious questions but I'm way new to this stuff.
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post #50 of 76
3/2/13 at 9:39am
yes there are other software you can use with other tablets or you can just get a RF remote such as the Harmony 900 by logitech. It comes with the RF receiver and IR blasters. Easy to use software as well. Not as custom as the roomie and does not have two way feedback but it still is a nice remote for the money. There are other options as well and you can search and read about the differences and options between them, but RF is the way to go IMO. If you listen to music on your setup and play it through-out the house, the RF remotes make it nice to change the track or channel anywhere in range. The range is very good with RF remotes and unless you have a 10,000 tf^2 house you should be good.
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post #51 of 76
3/2/13 at 1:40pm
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I know it's not nearly as nice, but if I got the Directv rf remote would that work to control my stuff? I see it's only $25 compared to $300+.
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post #52 of 76
3/3/13 at 6:19am
No. It will only control the directv box. All of the receivers on your components are IR. You can get the 900 cheaper than $300.
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post #53 of 76
3/3/13 at 10:35am
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Ive been looking a little more into this Roomie. We do have 1 Iphone4s, IPad Mini, and an old 2nd gen Ipod touch. Could I use this with all 3 of them without having to pay for it on each different device?

Also, for either the harmony 900, roomie, or any other comparable system, as long as I run a extra cat5e dedicated for it I will be safe right? That way I dont have to order it RIGHT NOW while im still pre drywall stage?
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post #54 of 76
3/3/13 at 2:51pm
You have to buy the lisence for each device. You do not need the cat5 ran across the room for the 900 or the roomie. You would only need it for an IR repeater such as the Niles IR repeater system. I do not know what the other IR repeater system use so you would have to look into that. The roomie can be wireless also.
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post #55 of 76
3/3/13 at 2:59pm
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I would run conduit from the AV rack to the TV so you aren't locked into HDMI forever.

Truer words have never been spoken. Coming from a guy that presently has component cables running to the projector mount in his media room.
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post #56 of 76
3/3/13 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by elmerfudII View Post

Truer words have never been spoken. Coming from a guy that presently has component cables running to the projector mount in his media room.
I ran 1.25" grey electrical conduit to it. Im hoping that is going to be big enough. It was the biggest I could get through the floor joists. Stuff isnt very flexible. Now Im debating on whether I should just run everything im going to run outside of the conduit and leave it open for any future fishing, or if I should run my current stuff (when I get around to it) through it, so ill be able to pull it off for exchanging it later.
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post #57 of 76
3/3/13 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

You have to buy the lisence for each device. You do not need the cat5 ran across the room for the 900 or the roomie. You would only need it for an IR repeater such as the Niles IR repeater system. I do not know what the other IR repeater system use so you would have to look into that. The roomie can be wireless also.

OK thanks, I looked at the roomie website and from what I saw to have it be a RF remote I thought it said you had to buy the iTach adapter. The one that ran off of ethernet was cheaper and I was thinking it may be more reliable than wifi since its hardwired? Either way I think im going to run 3 cat5e from the av rack to the tv while im doing it. Its so cheap and easy to run I figured I might as well.
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post #58 of 76
3/3/13 at 4:56pm
it is always good to run extra cables if you can so that is a good idea. Yes you need the iTach but you don't need it to run across the room. You can put it in your a/v rack or where your equipment is. If your router is near your rack, than the wireless itach is not necessary.
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post #59 of 76
3/3/13 at 11:09pm
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The AV rack will be built in wall behind my bar about 20' from the screen
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post #60 of 76
3/6/13 at 8:26am
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Next obstacle... Looking for some suggestions on some soundproofing. I wish I could afford to do an awesome job with the soundproofing but its just not possible. I would like to do something though. I know about building a room in a room and using clips and double layers of rock with green glue and all that. Cant afford it. Wish to god I could. Ive read mixed reviews on stuffing R19 fiberglass batts, what do you guys think?I have no need for a the insulation outside of soundproofing. How about the Roxul, is it a huge improvement for the money spent?

The other big thing Im REALLY struggling with is around my ductwork. My main stem running through my soffit is about 14x8" rectangular duct. Ive put mastic on all the seams. Didnt know if fiberglass would help at all. How about a Mass Loaded Vinyl? I found a website that is offering it for .97/sqft. Would you recommend it. I cant tell how you apply it though. Doesnt really say if you stick it to the ductwork, wrap it and tape it, nail it to the soffit? Any other recommendations?
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