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post #31 of 49
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Thanks again WagBoss. Do you think Sony ES receivers are good?

i don't think they're good, but to be fair i have never owned one :P I've heard a lot of bad things about the cheap sony receivers. The Sony STR-DA5800ES is a lot more money than the typical sony receivers, it's definitely not bad, but i think mostly any other receiver in that price range is as good or better.
post #32 of 49
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Does anyone else have any opinions or experience with the Sony STR-DA5800ES?
post #33 of 49
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Does anyone else have any opinions or experience with the Sony STR-DA5800ES?
post #34 of 49
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Bump! smile.gif
post #35 of 49
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Does anyone else have any opinions or experience with the Sony STR-DA5800ES?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1443971/just-got-a-sony-str-da5800es/0_100

There are probably more threads/info around here if you search.
post #36 of 49
I see no need to go with Sony when it's quality is questionable and there are so many alternatives. I prefer Audyssey XT32 for room correction so would buy Denon, Marantz, or even Onkyo although Onkyo is on my sh!t list these days. As for external amplification it depends on what speaker's you have and how loud you listen.
Edited by Theresa - 2/5/13 at 3:08am
post #37 of 49
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Does anyone else have any opinions or experience with the Sony STR-DA5800ES?

 

I had a Sony AVR a few years back. Can't remember the model number. It was OK - nothing special. These days, a good form of electronic room EQ is important to me, so I would always choose a unit with Audyssey MultEQ (at least XT and preferably XT32).  So that rules out Sony - and Pioneer (whom I have much respect for in other areas of home electronics) and Yamaha (from whom I have bought - and loved - one or two stereo receivers in the past). 

 

Unless there is some unique and compelling feature that you absolutely need on the Sony, I would steer clear. IMO other makes offer better value these days.

post #38 of 49
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Thanks all for your opinions! I think I'm gonna go with the Integra 50.4.
post #39 of 49
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So I went with the Integra 50.4. I also just ordered a new SVS SB13 Ultra replacing my old cylinder SVS sub. My new question is this: My system just doesn't seem as loud as I would like it to be in my fairly large 15 x 20 room that is also open to the entire kitchen and dining room. Should I upgrade from my new Studio 20's to Studio 60's? Would that make a big sound difference to justify the price increase? I just like listening to loud music, not a big fan of movies. What about just buying another set of Studio 20's?
post #40 of 49
so when you try to turn it up louder currently you can hear distortion or how do you know it's as loud as it can go?
post #41 of 49
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so when you try to turn it up louder currently you can hear distortion or how do you know it's as loud as it can go?

It doesn't distort at all, it just doesn't seem like it fills the room? Even my girlfriend asked me if something was wrong with it because it wasn't very loud. I had Klipsch RF 35's and switched to these bookshelfs so maybe that's why?
post #42 of 49
try turning it up louder? did you have your old klipschs set up properly with audyssey or whatever?
post #43 of 49
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try turning it up louder? did you have your old klipschs set up properly with audyssey or whatever?

I just got the Audessy on my new receiver so I didn't have it previously with my Klipsch. I turn it up to where I feel it's maxed out but I guess I could turn it up more. I guess I was just hoping for a more of a "wow" kinda of sound. I just feel like there's something missing in the mid range area. That's why I thought the 60's might be better. I really like the looks of the 20's though. Will good speaker wire make a difference as well? I got 14 gauge from Home Depot because I wanted black.
post #44 of 49
well if you set your receiver up with audyssey you should be able to turn it up to -10 to -5 with no problems. what volume were you listening to it when you didn't think it wasn't that loud? (unless your audyssey set L, R to like +10 dB or something, but that is unlikely.) and what were you using as the source? You can also try changing the angle of your speakers or the distance they are apart and your listening position. Speaker wire won't make any difference.

Do you have a dB meter?
post #45 of 49
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so when you try to turn it up louder currently you can hear distortion or how do you know it's as loud as it can go?

It doesn't distort at all, it just doesn't seem like it fills the room? Even my girlfriend asked me if something was wrong with it because it wasn't very loud. I had Klipsch RF 35's and switched to these bookshelfs so maybe that's why?

 

If you have run Audyssey, you now have a system, assuming it is capable of it, which will play at movie Reference Level at 0dB on the MV (Relative setting). What level are you using?

post #46 of 49
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try turning it up louder? did you have your old klipschs set up properly with audyssey or whatever?

I just got the Audessy on my new receiver so I didn't have it previously with my Klipsch. I turn it up to where I feel it's maxed out but I guess I could turn it up more. I guess I was just hoping for a more of a "wow" kinda of sound. I just feel like there's something missing in the mid range area. That's why I thought the 60's might be better. I really like the looks of the 20's though. Will good speaker wire make a difference as well? I got 14 gauge from Home Depot because I wanted black.

 

Because Audyssey, if set up properly, aims to give you a frequency response that matches the Audyssey target curve, you may find it sounds quite different from what you were used to before. This will especially be the case if, pre-Audyssey, your frequency response showed a lot of large peaks and troughs. Once flattened out, it can seem "there is something missing" because there is - the distortion of the peaks and troughs! Best advice is to listen for a week or two without changing anything and see if then you don't prefer the flatter response that Audyssey has created. 

 

Here is a comparison between my Audyssey ON and Audyssey OFF graphs for example. Bear in mind my room is heavily treated so if yours isn't, then the ups and downs in the graph would be much greater fr your 'before' graph than it is for mine - but you can see what Audyssey is doing well enough. Green is ON, purple is OFF of course.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'\d also suggest you check out the Audyssey 101 setup guide linked in my sig if you haven't already done so. This will ensure you follow best practice for the Audyssey measurements.

 

Speaker wire won't make any difference so long as you are using a decent gauge of wire already. 14 gauge should be fine. 

post #47 of 49
Doggone double post. see below
post #48 of 49
another vote for "turn it up more (probably)." A lot of people are thrown by volume controls denominated in decibels and calibrated to a reference level. In a nutshell, at "reference level," (zero on your volume dial) each of your speakers (except the sub) should put out 105 dB if they are receiving sound at full tilt from a digital medium (called 0 dBFS). And that's way loud. at least IMO. Whether and how much particular music hits 0 dBFS depends on a million factors, but you get the idea.

Decibels are logarithmic. So 10 dB is either ten times more or 1/10 the power depending on whether you turn up or down. And, btw, a 10 dB difference is typically thought of as half (or twice) as loud, subjectively. So if for example you are looking at a number like 30 on your receiver and thinking you've certainly turned it way up from the starting point, welll, it's likely -30 and you are using 1/1000 of the power it would take if the master volume were at zero. Every three decibels doubles or halves the power (and is about "one notch" louder or quieter), 10 dB changes power by a factor of 10 (and sounds twice or half as loud).

And depending on your room, etc, the studio 20s are likely going to at least get most of the way to reference (what will happen is they'll start to "compress," getting less than 1 dB louder for each dB more power they are fed. This largely effects lower frequencies . . .

Anyway, before you spend a couple thousand on speakers, try simply turning it up.
post #49 of 49
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Thanks again so much for taking your time to reply. I'm going to turn it up louder and mess with my Audessy again and read more on that subject. This is a great forum for me to learn about my new hobby smile.gif thanks again!
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