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post #511 of 1158
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

Pricing in the UK is set at £2,999.

I'd be amazed if it didn't have an RF emitter and at least one pair of glasses (more likely two) with it as standard.

Steve W

One of the articles I posted a link to says it doesn't. But that's over in Europe.

And it does come w/ DLP Link built in. So perhaps it will come with some DLP Link Glasses.
post #512 of 1158
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

But Shane has posted that he didn't have a problem with brightness on a 260cm wide 'scope screen (zoomed, not anamorphic).

Steve W

That's not that big of a screen, about 30sq ft.

With an estimated 540 lumens, and taking off 33% of that for a zoomed scope image, it still leaves about 362 lumens hitting that screen which will give him approx 12FtL's.

Plus you add in the H-K effect and it appears even brighter.
post #513 of 1158
Hi,

bad new, it seems the HD90 won't be sold in Europe. I don't know if it will be the same thing in U.S.

The HD91 should be available at the end of this month or at the beginning of december.
post #514 of 1158
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Originally Posted by Thebes View Post

Hi,

The HD91 should be available at the end of this month or at the beginning of december.

I'm assuming you mean in Europe?
post #515 of 1158
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

One of the articles I posted a link to says it doesn't. But that's over in Europe.

And it does come w/ DLP Link built in. So perhaps it will come with some DLP Link Glasses.

At Optoma's UK site:

http://www.optoma.co.uk/projectordetailshc.aspx?PTypeDB=Home%20Entertainment&PC=HD91

Note: "3D Glasses Included" (just below the video, on the right).

A few more words on Shane's comments. Shane is a regular, trusted and respected contributor at AV Forums in the UK. He works for Roy Jowett, who sell JVS, Sony, Panasonic, Optoma and Sim2 projectors, so he's not biased to one brand. They've had most (if not all) of the major projectors in store, and on demo in a proper bat cave demo room. So whilst his report didn't contain a fully specced review, I'd take his general comments on PQ at face value.

If he's seen the Sim2 Mico and thinks this Optoma is a game changer I'd certainly be sitting up and taking notice.

Steve W
post #516 of 1158
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

I'm assuming you mean in Europe?

Hi,

yes, you're right.
post #517 of 1158
The one thing that scares me is the "rbe TYPE" of artifact. I've seen this before. It's not the same as RBE, with blatant color break up, it's more like an entire image break up. I've even seen this type of artifact at DLP cinemas. From what I've read/researched, is has something to do with the sequential nature of the device, as well as PWM. I even see flicker in all plasmas, which has PWM tech as well. Heck, I even see flashy breakup on JVC projectors.

Oddly enough, my epson 6500ub has no hint of it. I'm afraid to upgrade because every other technology seems to exhibit this kind of thing. Please note: my eyes are EXTREMELY sensitive to noticing this sort of thing, so I'm in a very small percentage (unfortunately).
post #518 of 1158
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Originally Posted by cbaseuser View Post

The one thing that scares me is the "rbe TYPE" of artifact. I've seen this before. It's not the same as RBE, with blatant color break up, it's more like an entire image break up. I've even seen this type of artifact at DLP cinemas. From what I've read/researched, is has something to do with the sequential nature of the device, as well as PWM. I even see flicker in all plasmas, which has PWM tech as well. Heck, I even see flashy breakup on JVC projectors.

I also see weird stuff with LED lit LCD flat panels.

Oddly enough, my epson 6500ub has no hint of it. I'm afraid to upgrade because every other technology seems to exhibit this kind of thing. Please note: my eyes are EXTREMELY sensitive to noticing this sort of thing, so I'm in a very small percentage (unfortunately).
post #519 of 1158
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Originally Posted by cbaseuser View Post

The one thing that scares me is the "rbe TYPE" of artifact. I've seen this before. It's not the same as RBE, with blatant color break up, it's more like an entire image break up. I've even seen this type of artifact at DLP cinemas. From what I've read/researched, is has something to do with the sequential nature of the device, as well as PWM. I even see flicker in all plasmas, which has PWM tech as well. Heck, I even see flashy breakup on JVC projectors.

Oddly enough, my epson 6500ub has no hint of it. I'm afraid to upgrade because every other technology seems to exhibit this kind of thing. Please note: my eyes are EXTREMELY sensitive to noticing this sort of thing, so I'm in a very small percentage (unfortunately).

The DLP projectors at the cinemas don't display colors sequentially as they are three chip DLP devices. So what ever it is you're seeing, it can't be RBE, but could be something to do with PWM.
post #520 of 1158
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

The DLP projectors at the cinemas don't display colors sequentially as they are three chip DLP devices. So what ever it is you're seeing, it can't be RBE, but could be something to do with PWM.

I know it seems impossible to most people, but I am also part of that very small percentage of people that see RBE on EVERY DLP projector. It is less frequent on LED illuminated DLPs, but it is still there. It is also present at cinema DLP projectors. I mostly notice it in high contrast scenes, such as a torch in a dark cave for example. The effect is the same: I see flashes of red, green and blue bars. It makes no difference if there is a color wheel or not.
post #521 of 1158
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Originally Posted by napos View Post

I know it seems impossible to most people, but I am also part of that very small percentage of people that see RBE on EVERY DLP projector. It is less frequent on LED illuminated DLPs, but it is still there. It is also present at cinema DLP projectors. I mostly notice it in high contrast scenes, such as a torch in a dark cave for example. The effect is the same: I see flashes of red, green and blue bars. It makes no difference if there is a color wheel or not.

It can't be RBE because the illumination system works like a 3LCD and LCoS system. With a three chip DLP projector there is a constant red, green and blue being show on screen at all times just like with 3LCD and LCoS. There can't be color breakup because there isn't any. I'm not saying your aren't seeing something, I'm sure you are, but what you're seeing isn't RBE.
post #522 of 1158
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

There can't be color breakup because there isn't any.

It's not the first time I've heard someone say they could see RBE on 3-chip machines.

As you said, it's possible because of PWM - at low luminance levels low mirror duty cycle could mean mirror "on"states sufficiently infrequent to be visible.

And with motion a particular mirror would be on even more briefly.
Edited by noah katz - 11/3/13 at 7:45pm
post #523 of 1158
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

It's not the first time I;ve heard someone say they could see RBE on 3-chip machines.

As you said, it's possible because of PWM - at low luminance levels low mirror duty cycle could mean mirror "on"states sufficiently infrequent to be visible.

And with motion a particular mirror might only be on even more briefly.

Yeah, this is unfortunate for some of us. I saw rainbows very rarely even with my JVC RS40, I thought I was crazy, but apparently it is possible. I don't see them now with my Mits HC5. These LED projectors are fantastic though, I usually see rainbows galore with single chip DLP, but the Runco Q750 looked fantastic to me (maybe a very slight rainbow from time to time, but nothing to complain about).
post #524 of 1158
Since 3-DLPs are still using PWM to compose colours there is still a change of seeing the RBE, though it occours less. FYI you can also see RBE on a plasma TV, you just have to display 100% white Letters on a totaly black screen an the move you eyes around the screen - voila RBE, at least for me. However you do not see it in movies, even if the moving features that black/white contrast since it only occours when you move your eyes very fast which nobody does. Theoretically there will always be RBE on devices that compose their colours via PWM, with certain measures (the use of 3 chips, very fast colourwheel or very fast switching LEDs) it will be nearly invisible. This especially true when it comes to 3-chip DLPs or Plasma TVs, as they are able to display and mix all three colours of a pixel simultaneously.
post #525 of 1158
Thread Starter 
I have just talked to Optoma France and the official Price in our Country will be 3499€

http://www.projection-homecinema.fr/2013/11/04/optoma-hd91-3499e-prix-public-conseille/
post #526 of 1158
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At beginning December (7 and 8) I will organize in France a shoot-out with live coverage between the Optoma HD91, LG PF-80G, ACER K750 and the Vivitek H9080FD.
post #527 of 1158
AWESOME! Can't wait to see the results! Who do you think will win and in what order?
post #528 of 1158
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Originally Posted by kenoh89 View Post

AWESOME! Can't wait to see the results! Who do you think will win and in what order?

For the moment I thik that he older model (Vivitek H9080FD) is in another league thanks to his 0.95 Chip and his excellent Optical engine but maybe I'm wrong. smile.gif
post #529 of 1158
interesting? Doesn't the Vivitek H9080FD have a lesser claimed brightness then the other models and isn't it like $15,000? "too rich for my blood!" and what order do you rate the Acer k750, LG PF-80G and the Optoma HD91? Do you think if you where to have those three calibrated to get 800lm would the Optoma HD91 still come out on top for Contrast and over all picture? Speaking generally for a light controlled living room. The Optoma does have a way better lens then the others doesn't it?
post #530 of 1158
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Originally Posted by 3dmaven View Post

Yeah, this is unfortunate for some of us. I saw rainbows very rarely even with my JVC RS40, I thought I was crazy, but apparently it is possible. I don't see them now with my Mits HC5. These LED projectors are fantastic though, I usually see rainbows galore with single chip DLP, but the Runco Q750 looked fantastic to me (maybe a very slight rainbow from time to time, but nothing to complain about).

I can make myself see what appears to be the RBE effect on my Sony 1000.
post #531 of 1158
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

At beginning December (7 and 8) I will organize in France a shoot-out with live coverage between the Optoma HD91, LG PF-80G, ACER K750 and the Vivitek H9080FD.

Nice. Maybe it will be possible to show us the  Calibration settings then, like you have done it in the PRO9000 test for example. I still have problems to find the right settings for the Acer K750 and yours would give me a reference point to start with.


Edited by t-n-o - 11/4/13 at 7:26am
post #532 of 1158
t-n-o I recently buy the acer too
And right out of the box the film setting is quite good and very silent for me is the best choice .

I like with more colour but i think this is more correct according to the strict rules

this projector in the shine scenes don't have the punch like other with more lumen but in the night or darks scenes is fantastic

What problems you have?


Saludos
post #533 of 1158

Black Level/shadow detail. If i set gamma, brightness, contrast so that i don't loose details in dark scenes i get a very poor blacklevel, if i try to improve the black level i loose many details in dark scenes. I know that Kraine measured a very good black level and good shadow details. So, i think my settings must be much more imperfect than Kraines are. Unfortunately i don't have any calibration tools and can only work with movie scenes+test patterns, like Buroschs.

But maybe we should discuss further details in the K750 thread, i don't want to hijack this thread.:) 


Edited by t-n-o - 11/4/13 at 9:37am
post #534 of 1158
Kraine what do you think of the Optoma's brightness compared to the Acer k750? Do you think the Optoma would have better contrast and black detail if you set them both to get around 800 lumens with out having the colors wash out? Assuming you where to sacrifice a bit of performance for brightness would the Optoma still look better?

What settings was best for the Acer k750? I would like some tips for calibration. I turned up the blue gain to 60 because it was too green is that how you set yours and Gamma I'm a bit confused should I leave it at 5 or 2?
post #535 of 1158
Thread Starter 
Let me put them together before being able to answer wink.gif

PS : I'm not able to find again my calibration settings for the K750.
post #536 of 1158
Oh ok. Will you by chance be posting calibration settings for those projectors and there native contrast and lumen output?
post #537 of 1158
Optoma was no help on Facebook:

[Me]
Any word on when the HD91 will be available in the US? What is the MRSP?
about a month ago

[Optoma EMEA]
Hi, please refer to the OptomaUSA page
5 hours ago · Like · Reply

They know damn well that the USA page doesnt have any info. So it took them a month to tell me to look at a page they know has no info mad.gif
post #538 of 1158
I have bugged our rep several times. Enough that I am sure he will not forget to let me know, once he has info.
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post #539 of 1158
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

I have bugged our rep several times. Enough that I am sure he will not forget to let me know, once he has info.

This makes me wonder why, if America is such a great economy and we spend so much, are we the last to get a lot of these product's info and launched, if they come to U.S. soil at all?

Reminds me of a analogous quote I heard once which could be used in multiple facets from politics to our economy... "America is a tiger w/ out claws".



Back on topic, Optoma UK now has some documents up on it's site, including the operating manual.

http://www.optoma.co.uk/uploads/brochures/HD91-B-en-GB.pdf

http://www.optoma.co.uk/uploads/quickstarts/HD91-QS--.pdf

http://www.optoma.co.uk/uploads/manuals/HD91-M-en-GB.pdf
post #540 of 1158
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

This makes me wonder why, if America is such a great economy and we spend so much, are we the last to get a lot of these product's info and launched, if they come to U.S. soil at all?

Reminds me of a analogous quote I heard once which could be used in multiple facets from politics to our economy... "America is a tiger w/ out claws".



Back on topic, Optoma UK now has some documents up on it's site, including the operating manual.

http://www.optoma.co.uk/uploads/brochures/HD91-B-en-GB.pdf

http://www.optoma.co.uk/uploads/quickstarts/HD91-QS--.pdf

http://www.optoma.co.uk/uploads/manuals/HD91-M-en-GB.pdf

Hi,

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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1455132/optoma-hd91-full-led-dlp-full-hd-2d-3d-ready-end-2013/450#post_23874757
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