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post #451 of 560
Can the HD25 digital zoom shrink a 16:9 movie, so small that it fits a 2.35 anamorphic screen for CIH setup?
post #452 of 560
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Originally Posted by Greg_R_STL View Post

You probably have seen more 3D material than I have, so let me know if you think it's as good as I do.

I think it's even better than you do! wink.gif

Seriously... the 3D on the HD25-LV is incredible. It took me a little while to get the settings exactly the way I wanted, but I'm there now, and the results are every bit as spectacular as I had hoped. I've watched six 3D movies so far and have been amazed by the color, detail, and overall film-like look of the picture. I had been very pleased with my Optoma HD66, but this new projector is clearly superior. I'm using the Optoma ZF2100 glasses and RF rather than DLP-Link. Flawless, and I do mean flawless, 3D... absolutely no crosstalk or ghosting, even on difficult scenes with stark contrast like the lantern scene in TANGLED. NO loss of sync, NO need to flip image polarity at the beginning... it seems miraculous to me how RF does this. Excellent shadow detail. There's a scene in TANGLED where the protagonists are trapped in a cave filling up with water, and with my HD66 settings I couldn't make out what was going on even with zero ambient light in the room. Not a problem with the HD25-LV. I also checked the scene you mentioned in CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, and I'm one of the lucky ones... I saw no RBE whatsoever. Wound up watching the entire movie again in 3D for at least the fifth time. Also watched IMAX LEGENDS OF FLIGHT (great pop-out effects in this one), HOUSE OF WAX, LIFE OF PI, and MADAGASCAR 3 (one of my favorite 3D Blu-rays -- I've watched it eight times now!). I'm sorry that you weren't a DLP person, but I'm glad that you are pleased with your Epson. I'm certainly pleased with my purchase! Now if I could just get another deal like the one I found for the RF glasses (six pairs at $50 apiece) so that I can throw a big 3D party and watch the jaws drop!
post #453 of 560
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Originally Posted by fxrh View Post

I think it's even better than you do! wink.gif

Seriously... the 3D on the HD25-LV is incredible. It took me a little while to get the settings exactly the way I wanted, but I'm there now, and the results are every bit as spectacular as I had hoped. I've watched six 3D movies so far and have been amazed by the color, detail, and overall film-like look of the picture. I had been very pleased with my Optoma HD66, but this new projector is clearly superior. I'm using the Optoma ZF2100 glasses and RF rather than DLP-Link. Flawless, and I do mean flawless, 3D... absolutely no crosstalk or ghosting,

No question about it, the HD25-LV has brighter, tighter, and deeper 3D than any I have seen in theaters. At its price, there are a lot of people here who could afford to have it just for 3D. I used the Estar G6000 RF glasses.
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Originally Posted by fxrh View Post

I also checked the scene you mentioned in CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, and I'm one of the lucky ones... I saw no RBE whatsoever. Wound up watching the entire movie again in 3D for at least the fifth time. Also watched IMAX LEGENDS OF FLIGHT (great pop-out effects in this one), HOUSE OF WAX, LIFE OF PI, and MADAGASCAR 3 (one of my favorite 3D Blu-rays -- I've watched it eight times now!). I'm sorry that you weren't a DLP person, but I'm glad that you are pleased with your Epson.

Rainbows suck, you are indeed lucky. I have managed to tweak the settings to where the 5030ub looks almost as good as what I saw on the HD25-LV, but it can't match it. The combination of brightness, DLP, and probably this particular optics engine, makes the 25-LV the clear winner in 3D.
post #454 of 560
I've got about 12 hours on my new HD25-LV and the 3D is extremely impressive. The glasses definitely stress my eyes a bit though, which I'm a little disappointed in. I'm not sure if I need to adjust something, does anyone else have any issues with eye strain?

Dan
post #455 of 560
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Originally Posted by dhammans View Post

I've got about 12 hours on my new HD25-LV and the 3D is extremely impressive. The glasses definitely stress my eyes a bit though, which I'm a little disappointed in. I'm not sure if I need to adjust something, does anyone else have any issues with eye strain?

Dan

Funny you should mention that, I was just having this same conversation with someone via PM, only he was saying that he never experienced eyestrain from 3D. I didn't touch the 3D settings on the 25-LV when I had it, so I don't know what it has. The Epson 5030ub has 3D brightness, 3D depth, and screen size. Turning 3D brightness down, I am told, makes the LCD shutters flicker faster, smoothing out the 3D effect, and also, making the image darker. Turning it to Low seemed to help. The other thing that helped was turning Frame Interpolation on at the lowest setting. Setting the screen size 3D setting to the smallest possible size seemed to increase the depth of the 3D effect. Give those a shot, see if the Optoma has the same settings. Honestly though, the 25-LV caused no eyestrain for me in 3D, I only noticed it when I switched to the Epson.
post #456 of 560
DLP or RF glasses you have that stress your eyes?
post #457 of 560
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Originally Posted by Greg_R_STL 
Funny you should mention that, I was just having this same conversation with someone via PM, only he was saying that he never experienced eyestrain from 3D. I didn't touch the 3D settings on the 25-LV when I had it, so I don't know what it has. The Epson 5030ub has 3D brightness, 3D depth, and screen size. Turning 3D brightness down, I am told, makes the LCD shutters flicker faster, smoothing out the 3D effect, and also, making the image darker. Turning it to Low seemed to help. The other thing that helped was turning Frame Interpolation on at the lowest setting. Setting the screen size 3D setting to the smallest possible size seemed to increase the depth of the 3D effect. Give those a shot, see if the Optoma has the same settings. Honestly though, the 25-LV caused no eyestrain for me in 3D, I only noticed it when I switched to the Epson.

I hadn't read about people having any problems before I bought everything, but its definitely hard for me to watch. I'll give those ideas a try.

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Originally Posted by hungary View Post

DLP or RF glasses you have that stress your eyes?

I've got the E-Star RF glasses and E-Star emitter.
post #458 of 560
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Originally Posted by fxrh View Post

I think it's even better than you do! wink.gif

Seriously... the 3D on the HD25-LV is incredible. It took me a little while to get the settings exactly the way I wanted, but I'm there now, and the results are every bit as spectacular as I had hoped. I've watched six 3D movies so far and have been amazed by the color, detail, and overall film-like look of the picture. I had been very pleased with my Optoma HD66, but this new projector is clearly superior. I'm using the Optoma ZF2100 glasses and RF rather than DLP-Link. Flawless, and I do mean flawless, 3D... absolutely no crosstalk or ghosting, even on difficult scenes with stark contrast like the lantern scene in TANGLED. NO loss of sync, NO need to flip image polarity at the beginning... it seems miraculous to me how RF does this. Excellent shadow detail. There's a scene in TANGLED where the protagonists are trapped in a cave filling up with water, and with my HD66 settings I couldn't make out what was going on even with zero ambient light in the room. Not a problem with the HD25-LV. I also checked the scene you mentioned in CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, and I'm one of the lucky ones... I saw no RBE whatsoever. Wound up watching the entire movie again in 3D for at least the fifth time. Also watched IMAX LEGENDS OF FLIGHT (great pop-out effects in this one), HOUSE OF WAX, LIFE OF PI, and MADAGASCAR 3 (one of my favorite 3D Blu-rays -- I've watched it eight times now!). I'm sorry that you weren't a DLP person, but I'm glad that you are pleased with your Epson. I'm certainly pleased with my purchase! Now if I could just get another deal like the one I found for the RF glasses (six pairs at $50 apiece) so that I can throw a big 3D party and watch the jaws drop!

Have you watched Monsters vs Aliens on it yet? It looks incredible. I'm going to look for IMAX legends of flight and Madagascar 3 next. Thanks!!
post #459 of 560
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Originally Posted by GMWPS3 View Post

Have you watched Monsters vs Aliens on it yet? It looks incredible. I'm going to look for IMAX legends of flight and Madagascar 3 next. Thanks!!

I'm sure I'll watch MvA again soon; I've watched it in 3D several times. Last night I watched SPY KIDS 3: GAME OVER and I have to say that it has more aggressive pop-outs and in-your-face 3D effects than any other 3D movie I've seen. However, there are a handful of shots where the 3D polarity was mistakenly inverted. (Check out the scene near the end where Ricardo Montalban talks to Sylvester Stallone for the most obvious one of these aberrations.) The movie itself isn't much, but every home theater 3D fan needs to get it. (It's also inexpensive compared to most other 3D Blu-rays and contains a companion feature, THE ADVENTURES OF SHARK BOY AND LAVA GIRL, which is even sillier than SK3:GO but also delivers impressive 3D effects, although it's not quite as spectacular. Be sure to get the 3D Blu-ray, not the earlier anaglyph release.)

I am really enjoying watching my 3D collection again on my new projector!
post #460 of 560
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Originally Posted by fxrh View Post

I'm sure I'll watch MvA again soon; I've watched it in 3D several times. Last night I watched SPY KIDS 3: GAME OVER and I have to say that it has more aggressive pop-outs and in-your-face 3D effects than any other 3D movie I've seen. However, there are a handful of shots where the 3D polarity was mistakenly inverted. (Check out the scene near the end where Ricardo Montalban talks to Sylvester Stallone for the most obvious one of these aberrations.) The movie itself isn't much, but every home theater 3D fan needs to get it. (It's also inexpensive compared to most other 3D Blu-rays and contains a companion feature, THE ADVENTURES OF SHARK BOY AND LAVA GIRL, which is even sillier than SK3:GO but also delivers impressive 3D effects, although it's not quite as spectacular. Be sure to get the 3D Blu-ray, not the earlier anaglyph release.)

I am really enjoying watching my 3D collection again on my new projector!
Lol! Another movie to buy. I'd almost given up on 3D till I saw this projector in action. Now I want all my new movie purchases to be in 3D!
post #461 of 560
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Originally Posted by Skylinestar View Post

Can the HD25 digital zoom shrink a 16:9 movie, so small that it fits a 2.35 anamorphic screen for CIH setup?
anyone?
post #462 of 560
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Originally Posted by hungary View Post

DLP or RF glasses you have that stress your eyes?

RF in both 3D projectors I have tried. DLP caused no eye strain for me, but the LCD projector does.
post #463 of 560
That's very good to hear that!
DLP rocks.

**Any reason / factors causing that for LCD?
post #464 of 560
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Originally Posted by hungary View Post

That's very good to hear that!
DLP rocks.

That's a bigger debate, for another thread smile.gif This DLP rocks at 3D though, no question.
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Originally Posted by hungary View Post

**Any reason / factors causing that for LCD?
I don't know. It could very well be that DLP fundamentally makes 3D images that are easier on the eyes, but I just finished replying to someone else who got eye strain from this projector, so your experience may vary.
post #465 of 560
What is the LBX button on the remote for?
post #466 of 560
Letterbox
post #467 of 560
Hello all,

I have a Optoma HD25e and Optoma BG-ZF2100GLS, Active Shutter 3D-RF Glasses. I have my 2D picture settings perfect. However, my 3D viewing is lackluster at best. The glasses really wash out the color and give a overall brownish/yellowish color to my picture. What settings do you recommend to combat this issue? I guess I haven't really messed around with the settings in 3D mode since I thought that I could only have 1 set of settings but with further research it seems I can have settings for 2D and different settings for 3D.

Thanks for your help!

Kris
post #468 of 560
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Originally Posted by djkms View Post

Hello all,

I have a Optoma HD25e and Optoma BG-ZF2100GLS, Active Shutter 3D-RF Glasses. I have my 2D picture settings perfect. However, my 3D viewing is lackluster at best. The glasses really wash out the color and give a overall brownish/yellowish color to my picture. What settings do you recommend to combat this issue? I guess I haven't really messed around with the settings in 3D mode since I thought that I could only have 1 set of settings but with further research it seems I can have settings for 2D and different settings for 3D.

Thanks for your help!

Kris

Wish I could see what you're seeing. The factory settings looked great to me. The brownish/yellowish comment makes me curious. I wonder if the glasses could be a factor?
post #469 of 560
I guess I exaggerated a bit but there is a difference. Its from the tint on the glasses. Can't say I have ever seen active clear glass lenses. I know everyone deals with this but I can't be the only one who clearly sees a color difference while wearing 3D glasses.... Just curious if anyone had any settings to offset this.





post #470 of 560
Yeah, I also have the colour shift. Don't like how it adds a green tinge to everything. Surprised more people haven't mentioned it. The 3D is amazing other then the colours being off.
post #471 of 560
I bought an HD25e a week or so ago and we just watched our first 3D movie on it using the e-star ESG601 DLP link glasses. Noticed a real lack of color at first, but after poking around with the settings, it appears that it uses a different set of color calibration values when in 3D mode. In other words, you have to re-calibrate the colors for 3D. It had brilliant color cranked all the way up. After a few adjustments it looked a lot better. Also had to tell the blu ray player that the screen was 100".
post #472 of 560
I agree that there is an emphasis on yellow / green in 3D. I noticed green skies in many scenes. Came across this post with recommended 3D settings and they seemed to help, especially the White color adjustments. The last sentence of the post is what piqued my interest.

Brightness 3
Contrast -11
Sharpness 2
Color 9
Tint 0
Noise Reduction 0
Gamma - Graphic (using this gives a curve of 2.0 - using anything else is nowhere near that with the nearest being 1.83 - it should ideally be between 2.2 and 2.4 so it's still a way off but you may be able to compensate by putting the lamp in bright mode - I haven't tried this. The shadow detail seems OK at this setting)
Brilliantcolor 1
Dynamic Black off or 1 (I found on 1 was a bit better but the difference is marginal)
Color Temp warm
Colors - I adjusted WHITE only to get the greyscales as good as I could so the white readings are as follows:
R -8
G -9
B 19
I found the default settings very yellow...now white is white on my system, hopefully yours as well.
post #473 of 560
Hey all, I'm looking for some advice. I'm considering both the hd25lv and the hd131xe... they seem pretty similar. The reviews I've found seem to indicate the hd25lv is about 300 lumens brighter when calibrated vs a calibrated hd131xe. The price difference is $300. Are those lumens worth it? My usage scenario will be in a living room with a fair amount of ambient light...around 20 to 30 lux according to my phone's sensor. The screen size will be 90 to 100 inches.
post #474 of 560
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Originally Posted by fxrh View Post

I agree that there is an emphasis on yellow / green in 3D. I noticed green skies in many scenes. Came across this post with recommended 3D settings and they seemed to help, especially the White color adjustments. The last sentence of the post is what piqued my interest.

Brightness 3
Contrast -11
Sharpness 2
Color 9
Tint 0
Noise Reduction 0
Gamma - Graphic (using this gives a curve of 2.0 - using anything else is nowhere near that with the nearest being 1.83 - it should ideally be between 2.2 and 2.4 so it's still a way off but you may be able to compensate by putting the lamp in bright mode - I haven't tried this. The shadow detail seems OK at this setting)
Brilliantcolor 1
Dynamic Black off or 1 (I found on 1 was a bit better but the difference is marginal)
Color Temp warm
Colors - I adjusted WHITE only to get the greyscales as good as I could so the white readings are as follows:
R -8
G -9
B 19
I found the default settings very yellow...now white is white on my system, hopefully yours as well.

I actually posted that over on AV Forums - these settings were done about an hour and a half and then my glasses died on me - I'm off for a few days next week and am going to give the primaries and secondaries a bit of a tweak to see if I can boost the overall dynamic range and get the gamma a bit closer to home
post #475 of 560
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Originally Posted by Brian Day 
I actually posted that over on AV Forums - these settings were done about an hour and a half and then my glasses died on me - I'm off for a few days next week and am going to give the primaries and secondaries a bit of a tweak to see if I can boost the overall dynamic range and get the gamma a bit closer to home

Brian, thank you for being willing to share the results of your efforts. As I said, I found your settings to be an improvement on my setup.
post #476 of 560
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Originally Posted by anthony fremont View Post

I bought an HD25e a week or so ago and we just watched our first 3D movie on it using the e-star ESG601 DLP link glasses. Noticed a real lack of color at first, but after poking around with the settings, it appears that it uses a different set of color calibration values when in 3D mode. In other words, you have to re-calibrate the colors for 3D. It had brilliant color cranked all the way up. After a few adjustments it looked a lot better. Also had to tell the blu ray player that the screen was 100".

Can someone explain having to set the screen size for 3d blu ray players. I would like to understand the entire concept. Im using my ps3 to play 3d movies with my 25e. I have read somewhere else in these forums that you could really enhance the 3d effect you see if you set the screen size much smaller than you actually have. What is the optimum setting relative to your actual screen size.....Thanks
post #477 of 560
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Originally Posted by catherwood View Post

Can someone explain having to set the screen size for 3d blu ray players. I would like to understand the entire concept. Im using my ps3 to play 3d movies with my 25e. I have read somewhere else in these forums that you could really enhance the 3d effect you see if you set the screen size much smaller than you actually have. What is the optimum setting relative to your actual screen size.....Thanks

I also use my PS3 to play Blu-Ray. Never thought of adjusting any settings within my PS3 and your question sparked my interest. I will have to try this when I get home, I found this article via google search:
https://support.us.playstation.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2125

This thread might help to why:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=160233

HTH
post #478 of 560
Thanks for the links..... i think that this post from that link answers my question :

just went through the process of adjusting screen size on my PS3 between 200" and 10" (My Sony Bravia is 40"). I looked at segments of Grand Canyon Adventures and COD Black Ops. I discovered that the range adjustment on PS3 3D screen size is 10-1000" (I guess that's to accomodate those of you who have standard IMAX screens)

Both at 10" and 200" I see no difference in the apparent depth of objects in the 3D image. For GC Adv. pausing on the title bubbles made for easy comparison. In both cases, the "narrated by Rober Redford" bubble appeared to float 2 feet in front of my face without any distortion or double image.

I suspect that even with 3D screen size set to 1000" there would be no difference. I'll leave that to someone else to try.

Has anyone out there spoken with Sony regarding this?

O.K. couldn't wait. Ran the 3D screen size to 1000" No difference in 3D movie, C.O.D B.O., or downloadable 3D games from P.S. Store.
Called Sony. Rep put me on hold and asked "technical staff". Ans: Picture would be pixilated and fuzzy if I set screen size too high. Not true so no help from them.


I guess that it really doesnt matter what you plug in for screen size..... maybe this is future proofing or something that we may need in a few generations of tv's.
post #479 of 560
From the last post in that thread:
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Finally got an answer from Sony support re why changing screen size does not change 3D convergence. On my initial setup of PS3 display I entered my screen size (40"). That setting remains in the PS3 memory. Subsequent changes in screen size will have no effect unless I do a factory reset on the PS3. I choose not to put that explanation to the test.
post #480 of 560
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Originally Posted by djkms View Post

From the last post in that thread:

Well, that leaves my question open..... if anyone does any testing with this "3d screen sizing " pls post the results... I really would like to figure out if we can improve the 3d effect by "tricking" the ps3.
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