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post #151 of 325
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If I could dump weight without needing to go to the gym, I'd be all over it! I like my beer too much. lol

Bwhhahah. Now that's funny.
post #152 of 325
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If I could dump weight without needing to go to the gym, I'd be all over it! I like my beer too much. lol

I hear that!!!
post #153 of 325
Second tower has side being glued up. These will be playing tomorrow.

Crossover and wires will go in, OC703 will go in, back will go on, they will get trimmed up and sanded, drivers installed, terminals installed.....then let em wang. biggrin.gif
post #154 of 325
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Originally Posted by joeybutts View Post

Second tower has side being glued up. These will be playing tomorrow.

Crossover and wires will go in, OC703 will go in, back will go on, they will get trimmed up and sanded, drivers installed, terminals installed.....then let em wang. biggrin.gif

Can't wait.
post #155 of 325
I have been a competitive bodybuilder for over a decade. I can easily shoulder press the 100LB dumbells for 10 reps! No spotter needed!
post #156 of 325
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I have been a competitive bodybuilder for over a decade. I can easily shoulder press the 100LB dumbells for 10 reps! No spotter needed!

Awesome. Even when you hit your peak body fat/muscle ratio, its still a biatch to consistently maintain. I remember when I used to see my abs.

Can you shoulder press two 40" tower speakers length wise w no grips though? Now that would win a contest or two. smile.gif
post #157 of 325
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Awesome. Even when you hit your peak body fat/muscle ratio, its still a biatch to consistently maintain. I remember when I used to see my abs.

Can you shoulder press two 40" tower speakers length wise w no grips though? Now that would win a contest or two. smile.gif[/quote





LoL! I am honestly past my prime, although still relitively young at 30 years old, I am now finding it harder and harder to diet down to my competition weight.
Seriously, it was much easier to gain muscle and loose body fat at 23 or 25 years old, compared to now!

And BTW- I could probably press those 40" towers no problem, shoulder or bench press. I know this because on the days that I work my shoulders...at the end of my workout I like to take the heavy bag down and do some presses with that just to work my stabilizer muscles and core. LoL!]
post #158 of 325
DONE! Well....on my end except for the grills. biggrin.gif

gasket under crossovers


Some 2" OC703 shots




Crossover in place and started wiring



There IS a port, there IS a port!



Rounded over port



Rounded over cabinet





ONE COMPLETE




Lugged these things upstairs and got them in place. Don't mind the sexy toes. tongue.gif And no making fun of my cardboard box sub. It's the best I could do while slaving on this guy's speakers!


Next to the Khans.



Khan's, in their 56" tall glory.


Review coming.
Edited by joeybutts - 5/8/13 at 9:26pm
post #159 of 325
Nice!
post #160 of 325
Thread Starter 
The roundovers on the port and edges look fantastic. I'll have to take a few days to paint this box to perfection. It deserves it. Just an outstanding job overall.

Those are two very different but crazy good DIY speakers next to each other. Interested in how they sound vs the Khans.
post #161 of 325
Great job. Enough pics, we want listening impressions. tongue.gif
post #162 of 325
Great pics! I love the roundover on the slot port too!
post #163 of 325
I hope it does take you only a few days. tongue.gif

On to the review!

SETUP:
Now, the setup is quite far from ideal, but I tried to make it as objective as possible, along with the comparison to the Khan's.

I used my Mac laptop through analog mini jack to my Emo UMC-1 and powered by an Emo XPA-3. I moved the speakers to be equidistant from each other and the listening position. I used Direct mode to eliminate any processing and had the speakers playing with no crossover. The only thing I didn't feel like doing at 9:30 at night after working for 9 hours and working out was moving the couch that was slightly in the way. tongue.gif

I started with the TD12Xs. I'm sure some break-in is needed for the drivers, but take this for what it is worth. I listened to a few different songs of wide variety before settling in for serious listening.

Norah Jones - The Long Way Home

The bass. Not the bass as in the frequency, the bass as in the instrument. It was absolutely beautiful. I caught myself listening to it more and more as the song went along. I felt it was being played right in front of me. There was that slight bit of impact when it was strummed and then a fullness that faded naturally as you would expect. That woofer is something special I think.

Norah's voice was as buttery as it should be and was ear shattering as it should be when she went up top. Quite transparent, which I expected.

They imaged and soundstaged MUCH better than I was expecting. There was depth and width to the sound and it definitely pulled you in.

Cranking it up toward the end of the track, I started to get nervous about the drivers as the volume climbed, but the woofers looked to be in check and probably would have met the limit of the amp before the loudspeaker. I believe Vincent said the design is good for 750W, my XPA-3 can deliver a bit over 300.....I definitely didn't reach the limit of the amp and my ears were getting ready to call it quits. biggrin.gif

E-40 - I'm Da Man

I picked this purely for the bass (frequency). These are full range speakers for sure. Fairly certain this song dips to low 30's and the TD12X didn't break a sweat, even when taking it to the same levels I did on The Long Way Home. I had never heard that song sound so nice (not that it is a song you play for deep listening tongue.gif).

In comparison to my Khan's, the Khan's had more top end than the TD12Xs to my ears and also had a more robust bottom end even though a sealed design. The Khan's were not as laid back as the TD12X either. To my ears the Khan's were louder at the same volume position, but were definitely reaching their limits in full range. Keep in mind, the designers of the Khan's intended for these to be crossed at about 55hz and to be mated with a dual 18" LLT. The Khan's I believe are a 4ohm nominal, I don't know what the TD12X is. I was hitting 50 on my dial (out of 80 or 100) and normally I don't take it past 41 or 42.

Overall I am REALLY impressed with the TD12X. Almost....ALMOST enough to get rid of my Khan's, and anyone who has seen that build knows that is saying a lot.

Please ask questions on my impressions if there is something specific you would like to know that I have or haven't mentioned. I will hopefully get a chance to run some movies/video games through them as well to see how they fair.
post #164 of 325
Now we're getting somewhere. biggrin.gif

Great initial impressions. I would be curious to see how these sound crossed over at say 80hz to a sub. I'm just not sure your cardboard delight is capable of keeping up. tongue.gif
post #165 of 325
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8 ohm woofer. I'll actually be crossing them at 60-80hz myself, but will use them full range for laid back music listening sessions through an XPA-5. Should open up some efficiency even more.

From other people's impressions of similar SEOS designs, music does good, but movies are where these things should be dynamic powerhouses. I'm not surprised the Khan's music performance is better, but it should equal or surpass them in movies. That was my build goal mostly, all around performer with movie geared dynamics and clarity.

Thanks for taking the time to review them, oh and build the box too. lol

Thanks to John at AE, MTG90 (Matt), JoeyB, Erich, Beast, BWaslo, and everyone that influenced and helped me getting this put together. It's not done though. Once its painted up and I learn how to use REW for the first time to measure in room, then I'll be done and spending the time fully enjoying them.
Edited by bhazard - 5/8/13 at 9:36pm
post #166 of 325
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Now we're getting somewhere. biggrin.gif

Great initial impressions. I would be curious to see how these sound crossed over at say 80hz to a sub. I'm just not sure your cardboard delight is capable of keeping up. tongue.gif

I'm hoping to have an enclosure for that 18" done this weekend, so may have an opportunity to do so..... cardboard delight.....LOL.....
post #167 of 325
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

8 ohm woofer. I'll actually be crossing them at 60-80hz myself, but will use them full range for laid back music listening sessions through an XPA-5. Should open up some efficiency even more.

From other people's impressions of similar SEOS designs, music does good, but movies are where these things should be dynamic powerhouses. I'm not surprised the Khan's music performance is better, but it should equal or surpass them in movies. That was my design goal anyway.

I don't know if I would say surpass. I think it is pretty tight. That top end thing and being a bit more laid back were the two big things for me. Obviously there are quite a few differences beyond those, but those two seemed the most glaring.

I wish I had some measurement gear to back up my ears or throw them in the gutter. wink.gif I'll try and get that 19O playing before shipment in a proper enclosure. If not, Vincent will have to do that review with his dual 18"s....which I think these are a perfect match. Might be able to throw two more subs in with these. Seriously. Bu I'll let you find those limits. biggrin.gif
post #168 of 325
Even with the driver quality and output being pretty close, I would have to concur that the CD should really shine in the dynamics department. Having owned horns, and going to domes, I noticed a big difference in this area. I'm also hoping the "directivity" should improve quite a bit as well (increasing imaging by cutting down on sound scattering off everything).
post #169 of 325
Excellent! Honestly this sounds like just what I am hoping for from my similar upcoming build. Real sounding bass (instrument) is my dream, and even slightly laid back would be my preference for music, as long as the dynamics are there (as I'm sure they are).

Did you set them up crosseyed? If not, please do, and report back on imaging biggrin.gif

Looking forward to more impressions smile.gif
post #170 of 325
I'm sure I'll really notice the increased dynamics when I run some movies and video games through them.

I'll try them toed in as well on some music material.

anti, what you describe is exactly what these do. I would tell you to not hesitate on building these for your goals.
post #171 of 325
Bhazard- are you using the DNA-360 on this Seos-12? I looked back in the thread and couldn't find any mention of the CD that is being used in this build.
post #172 of 325
awesome, cant wait to see measurements

i plan on doing something similar with the SEOS 15 and possibily a TD15X
post #173 of 325
how much did you spent for the pair? impressive build. drooling..........

i love those emotiva's too.
post #174 of 325
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how much did you spent for the pair? impressive build. drooling..........

i love those emotiva's too.

I spent quite a bit less than they would come to now, as I picked up the TD12X woofers through the group buy for a nice discount. Expect to pay $309 for the woofer after May 15th (price increases), $20 for the front baffle, ~$200 for the DNAs and SEOS' + ~$100 for 2 crossovers +~$100 for wood and parts for two speakers.

My total came out to around $500 per speaker in parts and wood. Not too bad for a premium tower.

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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

Bhazard- are you using the DNA-360 on this Seos-12? I looked back in the thread and couldn't find any mention of the CD that is being used in this build.

Yep.
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Excellent! Honestly this sounds like just what I am hoping for from my similar upcoming build. Real sounding bass (instrument) is my dream, and even slightly laid back would be my preference for music, as long as the dynamics are there (as I'm sure they are).

Did you set them up crosseyed? If not, please do, and report back on imaging biggrin.gif

Looking forward to more impressions smile.gif

My preference is laid back too. I was happy to hear that it is. Most horns and cds are the exact opposite.
post #175 of 325
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My preference is laid back too. I was happy to hear that it is. Most horns and cds are the exact opposite.

I was really happy to hear this as well. My first horns were mid line Klipsch's and they ruined me on the horn for a while. It wasn't until listening to a good set that I realized how special they truly were.
post #176 of 325
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I was really happy to hear this as well. My first horns were mid line Klipsch's and they ruined me on the horn for a while. It wasn't until listening to a good set that I realized how special they truly were.

I had the old Acoustech 88's before Klipsch sued them and made them modify it. Compared to my $100 pioneer towers and the now $150 JBL 190 towers I have, the Acoustechs were bright, and the midrange was muddy at the same time. I thought the switch to domes improved clarity greatly, but then SEOS came along and I figured I could get the laid back dome clarity with horn dynamics. Mission accomplished.
post #177 of 325
they would probably sound better spread out more and towed in. also im not sure how close the horns are to ear level. remember, they are constant directivity and designed to limit floor and ceiling reflections.
post #178 of 325
Can I use the td12s for this?
post #179 of 325
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Can I use the td12s for this?

A different crossover would need to be designed for the best sound, along with box dimensions, tuning, and port length changes.
post #180 of 325
This is really turning out to be one hell of a build. The internal bracing and slot port look almost as cool as the black phase plugs on the AE woofers. smile.gif
Inside and out this is a well built/designed tower speaker.
Good Job BH & JB
Chris W
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