TMT6 released - Page 2

We're looking for a new bd solution (currently just using stand alone players and switching disks all the time). You seem to imply that TMT and others handle menus, but what's always stopped me from going the software route is this question: Are there any software players without cinavia (including tmt .146) that handle bd-j menus which seem to be in almost every blu ray we buy these days?

Anyone can answer this, thanks in advance.

All licensed software players handle BD-J menus. TMT5 v .146 and earlier do not detect Cinavia. Earlier builds of PDVD 12 and WinDVD 10 (as well as earlier versions) also do not detect Cinavia.

If Cinavia is a virus, why would you use MPC-HC instead of TMT6? TMT6 does not have Cinavia, it detects Cinavia and MPC-HC does not. Wouldn't you want to use the software that detects viruses? Detecting viruses is good right?

Thanks vladd! Do you have any opinion on which (tmt5 .146/pdvd12/windvd10) make the best fit for using as an external player in xbmc?

Sorry, I can't help much there. I don't use XBMC and I stopped using licensed players quite some time ago (I barely have time to watch just the movies let alone extras these days). Might be a good idea to start a thread asking that question though.

TMT seems to have the most acceptance but a lot of people prefer PDVD. WinDVD's audio engine was (and still is) the best I've seen for bitstreamed HD audio but some of the UI features were severely lacking. IMO, you should try each one out and see which you like best. If you are only going to be using it as an external player for XBMC though, the ability to launch them as an external player becomes paramount though and I don't have enough experience with that to point you to the correct choice.

anyone have a good link where I can DL .146 without a bunch of viruses, torrent hax0rz/warez sites etc? I have a damn key...but I don't want cinavia detection...ever. I'd prefer to muddle through with 146 until a better non-licensed player comes along...

I was being facetious

This whole Cinavia thing, does it affect ripping blurays via MakeMKV? What does it affect exactly?

Its a watermark in the audio track, it doesn't matter what format you rip it too or what program you use to rip, it will still be there. The watermark can survive re-encoding and recording too.

The only way around it is too use a player that doesn't have Cinavia detection or use the original disc.

http://www.arcsoft.com/en/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10397&title=totalmedia-theatre-531144-release-notes

you can get the .144 patch there but the installer linked on that page is the newest version so don't DL that.

there is always a way. what is difficult today, is done with freeware apps tomorrow. If not, maybe Slysoft will finish their player. What is maddening about the whole situation is that I am using original discs every time cinavia is a problem. I like to always have AnyDVD HD running. I could leave it turned off all the time unless I'm going to rip, but that is just one more 'thing to do'. It's annoying...and I don't like to be annoyed, especially when I am paying the GD studios for their content. If they want to harass people, I should be the last person in the world they go after. I love movies and I pay for them. I just want to be able to use the media I legally own how I want to use it. Shouldn't be to much to ask.

I agree. Their methods are like having to be strip searched every time you leave best buy because some people steal stuff. Unfortunately, people will still keep buying the reduced functionality products, and they know that. It would be nice to see an increase in rentals and a decrease in sales, or a decrease in both. I doubt that will happen though.

Actually, you are paying for the right to view the content via the media you selected - you are not paying for the right to remove their encryption and then view the media. Therein lies the distinction. If you view the content without removing their encryption, you will not engage the cinavia protection. The choice to remove the encryption is made by you and the results of that choice are caused by you as well.



Actually, since you are not affected by cinavia at all when you play the content via the disc without removing the encryption from it, your analogy fails. It is more like the theft detectors that alarm if you try to carry something out which has not been paid for. When you buy the product they remove the alarm triggering device (electronically remove it) so you do not sound the alarm. If you do not bypass the system, the alarm will not sound. Yes, sometimes the person at the register messes up and it alarms after you paid for it, but cinavia does not have that failing.


Mind you all, I hate cinavia as much as the rest of you. Being mad that you cannot bypass their protections like you used to do will gain you nothing...but it will make you look foolish. Instead, work to change the laws that allow them to do it.

I have had cinevia trigger when I wasn't removing protection. That is the main problem.

I don't see what the big deal here is. If you really don't like cinevia, use mpc. It has a lot better pq anyway.
Edited by AnthonyB - 2/12/13 at 8:14pm

I understand your reasoning, but the problem is that cinavia and movie content are completely independent. The "feature" has no bearing on the video or the audio experience...which is what I, and most other people, would tend to think they are paying for when they 'buy a movie'. Even if I am paying to get cinavia, by some logic, I'm still not paying for anything to be triggered by it. At any rate, it's a pretty irrelevent discussion and won't change anything either way....so if it makes some people feel better, I conceed arguemenative defeat.

Moving on, is it possible to have TMT6 and TMT5.3.1.146 installed on the same machine? 6 is a pretty cheap upgrade for current TMT5 key holders, and since I am running Windows 8 Pro, I may want to have a more user friendly metro-accessible version of TMT on my HTPC at the same time. Best of both worlds for $9.99, just in case some future discs won't play on 5....

I currently have TMT 5 and just received an e-mail from Arcsoft offering to upgrade with a price starting at $9.99.

But when I click the link, the price jumps to $49.99, what gives? I see others only paid $9.99 to upgrade.

Edit: there was a default drop down list that is defaulted to TMT 3, once I changed it to TMT 5 the price dropped to $9.99.

Just party for the key and install it when the patch comes out

What movie and what player?

Cinavia is embedded in the audio - it is not independent. If it was independent, it would be easier to remove.

You agree to not break the law as a general rule, they simply add a way to let you know you are breaking the law - this statement is based on US law (stupid law, but it is still currently law). When you buy something in a store, you also agree to being monitored for theft by the store, which includes the alarming detectors at the door and video surveillance while inside the store.

Have not tried it, but I do not think you can.

I use TMT along with Media Browser (Win7 Home Premium). It's a super combination. I own my blu-rays, but I still like to rip them as .iso to the hard drive and use Media Browser to sort and watch them (I have all menus and goodies available that way--hard disk space is cheap). The only time I've run into cinevia is when I was running the physical disk with AnyDVD active. I turned AnyDVD off, and it worked fine.

Now, some may say it's illegal to rip disks even if I own physical copies because I'm using decryption programs to copy them. Yeah, right. Under Fair Use, I'd like to see a prosecution when I "own" the media. Also, the only time I've seen cinevia in action was when it was interfering with my legal viewing of purchased media. Do people really feel cinevia has the right to decide what software is on my system prior to allowing me to view legally purchased media? Yes, I'm sure a few of you do. As a consumer, we've let the software companies get away with murder the last decade or so. When we purchase content, we have the right to use it however we'd like--as long as we are not distributing it to others illegally.

You need to actually read the Fair Use laws. Unless you are a librarian at a recognized library, your fair use is severely limited.

Agreed. We don't have to like the laws and rules that are in place, but they are what they are for now. If one reads the fine print, they'll quickly realize that we do not have the right to use the media we purchase anyway we see fit even if we aren't distributing copies to others.

But isn't all this ongoing talk of Cinavia and DRM off topic here? The bottom line is that moving forward, TMT, PowerDVD, WinDVD, and any other commercial software (and hardware) players are forced to include Cinavia - they have absolutely no choice in the matter if they want to continue selling product and avoiding legal issues that would put them out of business. Please direct any anger towards the BDA and movie studios where it belongs.

How about some discussion of what's new in TMT6 and how well it's working? So far, we know that there's an issue with slow PC boots for those with SSD drives and not much else...

MiB3, arc soft tmt

I'm on 5.2.1.119 and its fully stable for me on Win7x64.
With Cinavia and nothing more that a Metro UI, I don't see any reason to upgrade.
I've been with TMT since TMT2 released, but it seems 5 is likely to be my last one.
I've already taken to using VLC on some recent discs with menu problems.
I don't need Java, I just want to play my discs in HD with HD sound, all that Java crap got old fast.
I guess if I start ripping everything with Slyce when it comes out, I just wont need TMT at all...

Fair Use Law dictates that everyone who watches a movie must use a player that recognizes Cinavia?

Lol. Hyperbole!

Maybe they should start seizing DVD/BR players instead of guns.

You can have my HTPC when you pry it from my cold dead fingers

Just adding a little humor

No, they spell out what you are allowed to do with content found on the media you purchased a license to use to enjoy that content. Improperly citing the fair use law to say you can break other laws fails.




As for TMT6, I am having no problems with it. Its biggest draw is for the future. TMT5 is still being supported, but like all software out there, eventually the lower versions will have their support dropped. Might as well buy the $10 license now and at least hold onto it for when that happens.

got my $10 upgrade to hang on to. Gonna wait for a fix on the long boot up time on SSD's

Quick question - If I upgrade to TMT6 for future use, can I still use TMT5 now or would that license not be valid after the upgrade?

It is still valid.