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Complete beginner looking for ideas/help with screen

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Hi all,

First off, thanks for all the help I always seem to find on these forums. Its great.

Secondly, I am a complete beginner to the home a/v world. I have searched through these forums quite a bit, but find that a lot of the advice is for true audiophiles/videophiles and may not be the best for me. I moved into a fixer upper about 6 months ago and with the wife's blessing I get to turn the basement into a movie/tv/bar hangout area. So for starters here's what I'm working with:




I have a Viewsonic Pro8200 that is not hooked up but plan to ceiling mount (although I'd listen to any other ideas). One of the constraints of my basement is the ceiling is only about 87 inches tall. The wall I plan to project to is currently drywall painted white. It will need a new coat of paint regardless, so I am considering just painting it with an appropriate paint and using it. My main concern is that it is certainly not a smooth surface right now. I would try sanding it before painting, but even then it won't be perfect. (BTW, I would probably be rolling paint on as I don't have a sprayer)

I would think of getting a pull down screen just for convenience, but I don't know anything about the quality of those.

I would also consider making my own screen. I am fairly handy and not afraid to take on projects, I am just very limited on time and space right now. (I work 80+hrs a week, and am fixing up the rest of the house, and i would normally do most of my projects in the garage but it is a little crowded not to mention MN winters :/ ) If it consisted of building a basic frame and stretching a screen over it, I think I could handle it. I'm not sure if it entails calling up a bunch of places, finding and hauling special material, making up my own batch of paint, spraying, etc...that I would actually get all of that done in a reasonable time, as I'm short on time as it is and have quite a few other projects going on in my fixer upper.

I saw the Elite DIY screens that came with corner grommets and were usually reasonably priced, but they also advertise as outdoor screens and I don't know if they sacrifice picture for durability. http://www.elitescreens.com/index.php?option=com_content&id=1344&lang=en

Essentially, what I am juggling is:
1. Convenience
2. Price
3. Quality (I got a 1080p projector and would like it to be nice, but this is also a best bang for my buck situation... with buck meaning both price and convenience. Also, with my limited ceiling height I may end up either tilting the projector or using keystone correction to cast it right, meaning I know I might not have the ideal quality to start with that some of you have in your systems)

Here's what my wall will look like:



Pictured is my surround sound speakers. I am planning on putting a little table I have with the center channel on it as pictured and will probably put my A/V receiver and DVD player on the bottom shelf there and then run the HDMI cable's through the wall to the projector, but if that interferes with the screen area too much, then I can move it or lower the table. As it stands, the side speakers and top of center channel will each be about 36 inches off the ground. There is also about a 2.5-3 inch crown molding across the top.

Any other questions just let me know. And, if anyone has any suggestions, I would love to hear them. Thanks!!!
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Well first what I think you have to do is get a rough estimate/ idea of how big you want your screen to be; how far back your goiing to sit; and where the projector will have to be mounted to project that image. I myself am not familiar with running your projector right off of a dvd player dirrectly, I believe you will have limited control on the image; I run all of my electronics through my computer, but I'm sure you can figure it out or others can help you.

A general rule of thumb is that you want to sit 2.5 - 3 times the height of the screen; away from the screen (now I believe this is calculated off of a 16:9 image however I may be mistake and it may be 2.35:1) never the less this will get you close you can always tweak it and fine tune the image and projector placement later; it's better to build slightly larger for this purpose and you will mostlikely mask off the unused portion anyways in which case no one will know.

I am not a painter myself and since realy cinema screens have alway been a material that is what I opted for; a simple flat screen frame is effective or you may wish to build a curved screen in which case you will have to go with some sort of matterial; however I do believe some use matterial and paint it.

The most opted for matterial on here is spandex; this is what I'm using on my curved screen however I'm not currently happy with it after two weeks or so of use and still looking for the perfect matterial. I did read somewhere that cinema screens use a vinyl product; I don't go to the theatre much these days but next time I do I'm going to feel the screen, then I will start to look for that type of matterial. Hay I've never gone to a movie and said "aw this screen is just horrible look I can't even see that image clear" but I say it ever day with mine.

The most popular place to buy on here is spandex house; that's where I got my matterial from, they are awesome to deal with, friendly and will cater to your needs.

I hope that this iinformation is helpful let us know how it goes!
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Please do not link DIY'ers to Mfg Screens on this DIY Forum dedicated to "Non-Mfg Screen" options, unless specific mention is being made to re-coat the Mfg Screen surface with a DIY oriented Paint.

If you feel absolutely compelled to offer such advice, do so via PM. It would be appreciated.
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I Really appreciate your input Mississippi Man; however I do disagree with your view as I believe a person buying a manufactured part can still diy it to fit their needs, further more this is a forum and if some ones opinion is to suggest a product in aid it may be beneficial to future viewers with the same problem/needs that would not benefit from a pm of which they would not have any access to.

I did fallow your advice blindly and am unhappy with the results from your advice; your "Spandex Brand" product is a manufacturers product as I had to buy it from some one.

Unless you are a moderator on this forum you should not control the flow of the conversation, that is the Initial Poster's privilege/right.

Edit: regarding the link above who's to stop you from buying that screen, cutting it out of the machine attaching it to your custom frame and the building an auto mask system out of the drive motor system; if that isn't DIY I don't know what is.
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I Really appreciate your input Mississippi Man; however I do disagree with your view as I believe a person buying a manufactured part can still diy it to fit their needs,

A steadfast rule on this DIY Screen Forum...one made by the Forum Owners and enforced by Moderators, plainly states that NO use of or mention of /promotion of products directly intended for use as Front / Rear Projection Screen Materials be allowed. Such Items are supposed to reside on "Screens", the bastion of those who sell / buy such products.

However the nature of DIY Screen making has to have enough wiggle room to allow some interaction with suppliers of "accessory Items" that help facilitate DIY projects. But it is a fine line, one that can allow a Thread that pertains to buying a Mfg Screen "THEN" resurfacing it. Yet still NOT allow the direct mention of or linking to a source with the express intent of suggesting that a person buy a "Mfg Screen Cloth" and use it "as is", even if stretched across a DIY Frame. No...we can suggest other "Material Alternatives" to do the same job...and if that is not satisfactory or sufficient advice, then they are politely told that they should take their questions over to the "Screen Forum" and go from there.

You are not the first to have questioned this, nor the first to take issue as to why I, someone who does post daily, should bother, or even to dare to remind people of the "Rules".

But frankly, it is people who do not know of the DIY Screen Forum specific rules, or a few who willfully choose to disregard them, that make any polite effort such as I engage in a necessity. I ask once...maybe remind once again, then I'll report any continued occurrence. All of us do have a obligation to "police" the Forum, and interact with good manners...or failing at that level, let a Moderator take it from there. ALL of us.....or at least those who understand the need to.
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further more this is a forum and if some ones opinion is to suggest a product in aid it may be beneficial to future viewers with the same problem/needs that would not benefit from a pm of which they would not have any access to.

But there are restriction laid down by the "Forum" as to what can be written, content and intent-wise. Use PMs to address any need you personally feel is pressing. Monitor Threads for similar circumstances and requests and do likewise. But on the Public Boards you have to play by the Forum's Rules.

The Rules are not mine....but I gotta play by them myself, and mostly everyone else does so anyway. It would be / is self defeating to even try to buck the system as is. Many have tried...some have died. Also, it's better to hear such polite suggestions & warnings from another Member whose intentions are well meaning, than to have a post stricken, or receive an infraction for repeated violations. It's pretty rare that someone take offense at being told or reminded of Forum Rules, but obviously...it does happen.
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I did fallow your advice blindly and am unhappy with the results from your advice; your "Spandex Brand" product is a manufacturers product as I had to buy it from some one.

Blindly? That's news to me, and if true, I seem to remember I "suggested" a double faced White & Gray to try that might mitigate cost and work. .After that you were kinda all over the place, and no mention was made of it until you posted that you were going to buy a bunch of it and have it sewn together. Early on I also stated you could try a two layer solution but that it would entail 2x cost, and ahajr143 wisely suggested that you review a very informative Thread.

But let's stop you right there at "Blindly". No one is expect to go forth with Blinders on, let alone with eyes (..or mind...) closed. Had I made a specific recommendation based on experience, you accepted it and engaged in following specific directions, that would be quite different. You did not, and at this conjecture the nature of your post above, combined with your feelings that you were led astray and using the experience to attempt to prove the validity of your stated position....well, it speaks of your really not understanding about how DIY demands a bit more from anyone than "blindly" going where they have never gone before, or worse, going where others with more experience tell you not to.
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Unless you are a moderator on this forum you should not control the flow of the conversation, that is the Initial Poster's privilege/right.

Sorry, but stepping in to stop the proliferation of Mfg Screen material on a Forum dedicated to using other solutions is different, and that simply has to be understood as being based on known and observed rules. Not even a Thread's IP has the right to go counter to such dictates, nor allow others to do so. And obviously the Thread's author is almost certainly not aware of such rules being in place. I won't / can't stand by and watch a dog get run over if I can shout at it and make it move, and if I choose to politely ask someone to observe the Forum's rules, on a Forum where such rules lie at the very heart of what the Forum portends to encourage....I'm a'gonna do it.
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Edit: regarding the link above who's to stop you from buying that screen, cutting it out of the machine attaching it to your custom frame and the building an auto mask system out of the drive motor system; if that isn't DIY I don't know what is.

Are you trying to convince me? I think you have. biggrin.gif

In your example as stated, it's the use of the Screen material "as is", without it being re-coated...that would NOT be suggested, nor in keeping with the stated Rules.

But C'mon...you gotta know that no one is limited to what they can do, and no one is denied advice. Many are the Members who having DIY "cross-over" issues such as you mentioned, have received help via PM, when such advice would run counter to what can...and should be posted on Threads. I don't expect you to know that...your a very new Member...but it's pretty much well known by all who have received such.

I hope you can try harder to understand why we ALL must work to keep commercially made Screens and Screen material outside the realm of DIY Screen making as understood on this Forum.

Personally, I'm sorry you didn't have the time to try out a sample of the material, even sorrier you couldn't cancel the order as advised. But also please understand that everything about DIY will always center around personal needs and preferences, and even something someone else thinks is great might be considered substandard by someone else. That's no different that with purchased Mfg Screens.

And consider this...you can re-energize your current screen by simply adding a 2nd layer of Matte Milliskin ( 4-way Stretch 20% spandex this time) in either White or Light Silver. Simply put, you have the rear backing that everyone else has to consider. Once again, I am sorry that trying a double sided - sewn together version didn't work out.
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Ouch someone took that too personally; I suppose your the only one allowed an opinion, but this is neither the time nor place back to the topic at hand.

FIY: I haven't sewn any material together yet this screen just uses one piece just as you suggested, but thanks tips; people can read that forum and decide for them selves it doesn't need sugar coating by you it's all there.
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