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post #571 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

One must wonder why? Mine is an appliance.

I do wonder. Although I do think you are still the only one on earth who has had no issues with Windows Media Center wink.gif.

My problems stem from leaving the PC on all the time, without closing WMC. Often after I power my receiver and TV back on, if I try to tune in a channel I get a "Video Error" or "no tuners found" error. Also, when I click guide, it will take me to the recorded tv menu frustratingly....

The only way to solve the problem is to close down WMC and reload it. So basically every time my wife wants to watch TV, we have to turn the TV and receiver on, then power cycle the receiver due to HDMI handshake problem, then close down WMC and re-open it. That's the antithesis of appliance-like.

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post #572 of 1323
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post


My problems stem from leaving the PC on all the time, without closing WMC. Often after I power my receiver and TV back on, if I try to tune in a channel I get a "Video Error" or "no tuners found" error.
The problem is probably caused by the AVR cutting the HDMI connection between the TV and Media Center when the AVR is turned off. I would try routing the HDMI cable directly from the PC to the TV for a few days. If the problem goes away you have some options to correct the issue. The simplest fix would be to leave the HDMI directly connected to the TV and connect the TV to the AVR with optical or coax digital audio. If you don't want to do it that way, adding a HDMI Detective between the PC and AVR would probably fix it.
post #573 of 1323
Thanks, HDMI detective being ordered tonight. Can't believe I need a $100 dollar device to make it work how it should out of the box. I believe that should sort out the audio problem, but not as sure about WMC.
post #574 of 1323
WMC has nothing to do with how HDMI is designed to work. When you break the HDMI chain you lose all the security, etc. A new handshake has to be done, on and on. I have no problems with mine when I power off everything, but some do.
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post #576 of 1323
My solution to this was to tape over pin 19, the HDMI hot-detect pin, in the cable (well, I did it in one of those port saver things, but same idea). Then, Windows won't try to outsmart you with regards to its display switching.


Edited by jhoff80 - 10/24/13 at 7:30am
post #577 of 1323
Gosh, that takes me back to the glory days of opening up those ghastly SCART connectors to rip out troublesome pins!
post #578 of 1323
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

My solution to this was to tape over pin 19, the HDMI hot-detect pin, in the cable (well, I did it in one of those port saver things, but same idea). Then, Windows won't try to outsmart you with regards to its display switching.


Tried it, gave me an immediate "video error" HDCP error in WMC and I couldn't even play content through MPC-HC. I was pretty bummed. Oh well, HDMI detective on the way from Amazon to save my WAF day. smile.gif
post #579 of 1323
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post

Tried it, gave me an immediate "video error" HDCP error in WMC and I couldn't even play content through MPC-HC. I was pretty bummed. Oh well, HDMI detective on the way from Amazon to save my WAF day. smile.gif

Huh, I've never had any HDCP issues that way, with WMC or even with protected content in Windows 8 such as Netflix.
post #580 of 1323
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post

Thanks, HDMI detective being ordered tonight. Can't believe I need a $100 dollar device to make it work how it should out of the box. I believe that should sort out the audio problem, but not as sure about WMC.

I hope you don't have an NVidia card. They don't work with the HDMI detective...I still get HDCP errors with my NVidia and HDMI detective, even after enabling switch 4. It's a documented issue on the Geffen forums...
post #581 of 1323
Nope, 6570 in my server.

I was pretty excited about the pin 19 trick, and pretty bummed when I couldn't get it to work.

Anyway, hope MB3T gets live TV support for cablecard some day, I'd love to try something other than WMC. Jriver has HDHR prime support, but their guide sucks.
post #582 of 1323
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post

Nope, 6570 in my server.

I was pretty excited about the pin 19 trick, and pretty bummed when I couldn't get it to work.

Anyway, hope MB3T gets live TV support for cablecard some day, I'd love to try something other than WMC. Jriver has HDHR prime support, but their guide sucks.

Who is your provider?

Comcast or Fios? - http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=PVR/Backend/ServerWMC

Others - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1492094/ultimate-wmc-integration-with-xbmc/0_100

Only have to use WMC for what it's good at - live tv and recordings cool.gif
post #583 of 1323
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Originally Posted by jcruse View Post

I hope you don't have an NVidia card. They don't work with the HDMI detective...I still get HDCP errors with my NVidia and HDMI detective, even after enabling switch 4. It's a documented issue on the Geffen forums...
Interesting. I have an HDMI detective that works perfectly fine with an Nvidia card. Maybe because I have anydvd running in the background?
post #584 of 1323
I unexpectedly have some free time this weekend and thought of upgrading my Media Browser. I was really reluctant to set up Media Browser in the first place because there are so many options. It took me a really long time to get it set the way I like and learn the little quirks in it.

-I typically use the default built in media scrapper. I have MCM on another pc so its more like a last resort
-I use the diamond theme now and before that used subdued for a while. I like a somewhat basic theme that looks like it could be default WMC. I like to have a transparent theme background so my WMC theme shows through
-I NEVER go into the Media Browser home screen. Each of my libraries - Movies, Concerts, NES, SNES, Genesis, Atari, MAME - have their own icon inside WMC and launch directly into their own library.
-Tied into the last point, I use Game Browser 2 for emulators
-I don't like using external players. I have TMT5 set up for a few bluray discs I havent remuxed to mkv for various reasons.

So given those caveats, should I consider upgrading?

-Are the themes the same? Do they work basically the same? I want to keep MB looking like its really part of WMC
-Will it be easy to set up WMC entry points for each collection? Will my collections and settings automatically map to MB3 or will everything need to be set up again?
-Can I still use Game Browser?
-I can use the built in player, right?

Any really good and obvious reason to upgrade?
post #585 of 1323
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post

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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

One must wonder why? Mine is an appliance.

I do wonder. Although I do think you are still the only one on earth who has had no issues with Windows Media Center wink.gif.

My problems stem from leaving the PC on all the time, without closing WMC. Often after I power my receiver and TV back on, if I try to tune in a channel I get a "Video Error" or "no tuners found" error. Also, when I click guide, it will take me to the recorded tv menu frustratingly....

The only way to solve the problem is to close down WMC and reload it. So basically every time my wife wants to watch TV, we have to turn the TV and receiver on, then power cycle the receiver due to HDMI handshake problem, then close down WMC and re-open it. That's the antithesis of appliance-like.

I use it day in and day out without issue but sometimes I have to twerk to get things going again.. tongue.gif

Even installing a new Plasma in my HT last week only required that the AVR be restarted. My HTPC just took it in stride.
post #586 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I use it day in and day out without issue but sometimes I have to twerk to get things going again...

Lol I've never tried that for troubleshooting

Are you sure that twerking helps?

http://www.google.com/search?q=twerk
post #587 of 1323
Glad to see that you guys have the same twisted sense of humor I do!

At any rate, if your HTPC isn't acting like an appliance for you than something is wrong with how you set it up in the first place.
post #588 of 1323
Would not be so hideous if she stopped it already with the stank face and did not go all stupid with her tongue.
post #589 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Glad to see that you guys have the same twisted sense of humor I do!

At any rate, if your HTPC isn't acting like an appliance for you than something is wrong with how you set it up in the first place.

Expecting hdmi to actually "just work" when you turn the AVR and Tv on is "setting it up wrong"? That's ridiculous. Perhaps you should visit the thread here with hundreds of posts with people having issues. I think in your case, ignorance truly is bliss.
post #590 of 1323
HDMI / EDID / HDCP has issues. I had issues with this early on too. It is all in the start up sequence and timing so that all the devices have adequate time to communicate with each other before WMC loads. I do leave my HTPC on all the time and do not utilize sleep on it plus I programmed my remote to walk through the start up in the same order every time with proper pauses between sending commands. Even though I leave my HTPC on all the time, everything connects just tfine when I reboot it.
post #591 of 1323
HDMI "just works" for most people.
post #592 of 1323
I had similar issues with EDID that popped up after the system was working without a hitch for quite some time.

Here is what I did to resolve it.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1496630/avr-and-edid-the-three-solutions-that-seem-to-work

My HTPC works more like an appliance as well. I haven't had an issue for months on end.

I have been waiting to try out MB3 as well. I was waiting for it to get fully baked with theater and android support.
It's good to hear MB3 is working well.
post #593 of 1323
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

HDMI "just works" for most people.

Knock on wood ...

Never had issues.

I use HDMI from HTPC to Denon AVR to OPTOMA PROJECTOR (and second HDMI out to 55" HItachi PLASMA old school model)

Never had issues. DENON is very HTPC friendly. My previous ONKYO was really a big pile of poop in comparison. It hated HDMI and syncing (which is why it's in the garage duty now)
post #594 of 1323
I highly doubt that MB3 will provide as good of a picture as a properly configured MPC-HC, LAV w/ CUVID, and madVR. Will it at least support CUVID and have an ability to utilize madVR? What about Dolby Digital 5.1 over TOSLINK?
post #595 of 1323
Looks like MadVR to me. Remember it is in alpha right now so the discussion in this post is about a pre-release product.



http://mediabrowser3.com/community/index.php?/topic/1564-internal-player-dropped-frames/

http://mediabrowser3.com/community/index.php?/topic/826-where-is-mbtheater/?p=24822
post #596 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Knock on wood ...

Never had issues.

I use HDMI from HTPC to Denon AVR to OPTOMA PROJECTOR (and second HDMI out to 55" HItachi PLASMA old school model)

Never had issues. DENON is very HTPC friendly. My previous ONKYO was really a big pile of poop in comparison. It hated HDMI and syncing (which is why it's in the garage duty now)

Interesting, my Denon 3808 could only use HDMI 4 to connect to a HTPC else it would not work but my Onkyo 3010 works like a champ. HTPC - AVR - Projector
post #597 of 1323
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

HDMI / EDID / HDCP has issues. I had issues with this early on too. It is all in the start up sequence and timing so that all the devices have adequate time to communicate with each other before WMC loads. I do leave my HTPC on all the time and do not utilize sleep on it plus I programmed my remote to walk through the start up in the same order every time with proper pauses between sending commands. Even though I leave my HTPC on all the time, everything connects just tfine when I reboot it.

Programming delays into a remote, exact sequencing of power on for all components. My toaster is the same way, very appliance-like.
post #598 of 1323
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Originally Posted by MonarchX View Post

I highly doubt that MB3 will provide as good of a picture as a properly configured MPC-HC, LAV w/ CUVID, and madVR. Will it at least support CUVID and have an ability to utilize madVR? What about Dolby Digital 5.1 over TOSLINK?

The MB3 player uses LAV and madVR filters. Whatever those support, the MB3 player (and any other player using these filters) should support as well. The MB3 picture quality should be the same as MPC-HC using madVR.
post #599 of 1323
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Interesting, my Denon 3808 could only use HDMI 4 to connect to a HTPC else it would not work but my Onkyo 3010 works like a champ. HTPC - AVR - Projector

I have a 3312IC and I run to the "DVD" input and works perfect
post #600 of 1323
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Originally Posted by emcdade View Post

Programming delays into a remote, exact sequencing of power on for all components. My toaster is the same way, very appliance-like.

I know, right? Good thing a toaster does not have a knob you have to set on the toaster to change the level of toasting for different types of bread. Or a button you have to press to eject the toast when it is done enough for you but the toaster did not eject it on its own yet and you do not want it any darker. Very appliance-like...

My HTPC is an appliance. I press the Power button on my remote control. My projector turns on, which turns on my AVR. My HTPC is already on. 5 or so seconds later and everything is synced up and the projector warmed up enough and I see the WMC screen. I then have to decide what to do with my appliance. Do I watch movies via MediaBrowser (and not have to put in a physical disc)? Do I watch Live TV, including encrypted and record once shows? Do I watch recorded shows, saved on my 2 TB Recorded TV hard drive? Whichever I choose, it automatically arrives in the best picture and sound I can receive on my 9.2 surround sound system and 106 inch, 1080p, screen. The only knobs to fiddle with are buttons on the remove for volume (darkness of the toast), media to watch (type of bread I want to put into the toast), and the power button (to start and stop the toasting process).
Edited by cybrsage - 10/29/13 at 5:19am
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