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post #211 of 374
Dan,
I have to look at my son's baseball games and talk to Angela, I'd like her to go with me. Can you email the address to me ? sonnebornortho@comcast.net

Art
post #212 of 374
OK I'm go for Saturday. If it isn't an issue I'd like to get there around noon.

Art
post #213 of 374
OK, so there's one.

Anyone else for this Saturday around noon? North Aurora, IL.


Dan
post #214 of 374
Jeff....


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post #215 of 374
So just us chickens ?
post #216 of 374
Shouldn't they be flying in to see you?
post #217 of 374
Unfortunately, it just isn't feasible to do that; the projector is optimized for our room and I've spent a pretty significant amount of time tweaking the lens memories to demonstrate on our setup- traveling with the projector would mean that nothing is as good as it could be.

By demoing in the projector's "native" environment, I can show the piece in the best manner possible and you get to see just what it can do. In our case the only possible difference between the demo unit and an actual customer unit could be the aperture plate installed and the output capability (one can choose various levels of output for desired contrast capabilities).

Considering our screen is 12'x6' and Microperfed Studiotek 130, I think that we're capable of showing the unit's performance on pretty large sized screens (12'-bigger) as a decent approximation. Pat measured our peak white at over 40 FtL, so I have to figure that's enough horsepower to light up 14-16' screens pretty well. And for the person that has the 10' wide screen- you can reduce the size of the aperture and the lamp output (ours is set as low as you can make it) and receive better black levels and contrast.

Dan
post #218 of 374
Dan:

Did you happen to measure the on/off at the various fixed aperture plate installs when you measured FtL?

I was getting about 24 FtL and 3800:1 on/off from my Titan on 12' 1.78 aspect Ratio, 130 Stewart, with new bulb fully calibrated and with notch filter on.

The Christie's have always been a favorite of mine and now with the ability to install fixed apertures the on/off should no longer be an issue..
post #219 of 374
The aperture was installed by DD before it shipped to us- I didn't find out about the different plates until I talked to Jim about the lens memories. Ours is the largest, and therefore the lowest setting for full-on full-off, for the projector. I haven't measured since Pat was in to calibrate; and I missed most of that. I asked Pat if he measured and he replied that he did not and pretty-much dismissed the notion as purely academic considering each room/projector/screen combo will vary wildly.

I'll measure the next time I get a chance using the projectors internal patterns and my spectracal C6 (so take it with a grain of salt). Until I have the need for something more accurate more often, I'll be calling Pat in for the calibrations that need that type of accuracy- at least with the DD machines I sell from now on. I have my eye on the aviello Kroma II for my theater- that or a HD6.

Sorry I can't help with the contrast numbers more solidly, I'll do what I can.

Dan
post #220 of 374
Just saw this... WHAT WAS THE OUTCOME HERE ART?

Not a good weekend for me. Oldest is graduating and we're having a Graduation party at the house... so was fixing the place up for the big event!
post #221 of 374
Jeff,
I didn't go; today is Jonathon's birthday and we had too little time to get things ready for all the kids coming including cleaning the pool. I asked Dan if the 15th would work Why don't you look at that one .
post #222 of 374
June 15th works.

Dan
post #223 of 374
How is convergence handled? The hd5 is not DCI compliant, correct?
post #224 of 374
Convergence is factory set- not adjustable.

No the HD5 and HD6 are not DCI; let's remember that this chassis are only $25k and $33k to start and range to roughly $30k and $37k respectively.

Although the capabilities are greater than the norm in this price range- one needs to remember that we're talking about projectors that are in the price range of the .69" entry level 3-chip chassis from Delta.
Here's a pricing comparison:

DPI Highlite series (.69" chips, Delta chassis): range $24k-35k

DPI Titan series (.95" chips, Delta engine): range $49k-92k

aviello Helios series (.95" chips, projectiondesign): range $58k-75k

Sim2 - I'm unfamiliar with their pricing.

---So relatively speaking, the HD5 and HD6 punch WAY above their weight class.

Dan
post #225 of 374
SIM2 - Lumis series (.95" chips) range $30K - 60K...12bit processing...triple flash...available in high brightness or extended contrast...with or without DCI
post #226 of 374
OK, great to have that info!

So in the 30 to 60k range we're mostly looking at projectors that use UHP lamps in the 260-330 watt range and have the ability to output around 2000-3000 lumens for a while. Most, if not all, have the ability to do 3D.

The Display Development projectors use 500W and 1000W xenon lamps range from 2000-5000 lumens, but cannot reach contrasts like the Lumis reportedly has (max 10k:1 vs max 35k:1). The DD units do not have dynamic irises or use a dynamic black function.

There are plusses and minuses to all of them; the DD units are for people that need to shoot a huge screen and can have a separate projection room (unless you're planning on a hush box), the DPIs and the Sims are for people that need the projector in the theater and need it to be quiet.

Lots of output capability with pretty stellar image detail, xenon color reproduction, but heat and noise, and probably not the best blacks of the group- the HD5 and HD6

Small, quiet, punchy for average screens, great blacks,3D capability, but the pitfalls of UHP illumination- color drift, not as accurate color unless you notch filter (which whacks the light output) - Sim2s

Medium size, medium noise levels,3D, lots of light output choices, but UHP lamps that share the same pitfalls as above, .69" vs .95" chips, optics not up to snuff of the others- DPIs

Large, great optics, great color reproduction, DCI compliant color space,3D, also UHP lamps (see above), high price comparatively- aviello HELIOS

Large, hot, Loud, better optics than Highlites, 3D, UHP, notch filters, HC or HB optics, high price like the Helios- DPI Titans.


Obviously, I can only speak to my personal experience; my experience has been that the HD5 exceeds the capabilities of our Titan Reference and at 1/2 the price. I can only compare the general plusses and minuses to other projectors. I do know from experience that HD5>Titan line= Lumis line (different strengths to each)> Highlite line. So by that logic ; HD5 > Highlite line , probably > Lumis line (again different strengths, so that could actually go either way depending on what's important to you). I have seen aviello pjs and they all do look quite good, but without more playtime, I will not make a qualitative comparison- only that the HD5 is probably close and again half the price.

Perhaps I can convince the local rep for Sim2 to bring in a lumis for comparison- but I will not hold my breath on that, since I asked to see a Mico a year ago and haven't heard from him since.

my .02 YMMV.

Dan
post #227 of 374
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

SIM2 - Lumis series (.95" chips) range $30K - 60K...12bit processing...triple flash...available in high brightness or extended contrast...with or without DCI

I do not believe any of the Sim2 line are DCI compliant. They may be able to get to DCI color space using notch filter but surely not DCI compliant
post #228 of 374
These price comparisons are at MSRP and we know that many of these lines are available at huge discounts. new and reconditioned etc. I doubt the HD5 has the huge price advantage over the DP etc at street. Don't forget the new commercial Sony as well which will soon, hopefully, be hitting distribution for HT use. Though that would be a lot more expensive than the HD5.
post #229 of 374
"huge" discounts, really?

I'm talking about brand-new units, Mark. Not B-stock, so the DPI specials list is off the table.

Yes, there are now SO many DPI and Sim2 dealers that you can find many willing to whore out the product- especially on the internet.

Since pricing is something that is dealer-dependent it is therefore NOT a constant.

MSRP is in fact a constant that can be used as a comparative metric.
So too can the metrics of light output, size, weight, contrast (somewhat- assuming no marketing trickery).

And then, of course, there's also the head-to-head comparison; essentially a stop-light drag race for projectors.

Dan
post #230 of 374
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Originally Posted by LJG View Post

I do not believe any of the Sim2 line are DCI compliant. They may be able to get to DCI color space using notch filter but surely not DCI compliant

Any of the Lumis models with the HC (Hyper Color) suffix are capable of achieving DCI color. Yes they do this by means of a motorized filter injected into the light path, but in order to get DCI color from a UHP lamp, that's how it is done. It essentially emulates the color spectrum of a Xenon lamp.

I'm not sure what the distinction is between doing DCI color and being DCI compliant. Is it sort of like meeting all the THX Ultra2 standards but not "being" THX Ultra2?
post #231 of 374
DCI compliant would allow connections to DCI server
post #232 of 374
So by "compliant" you were referring to the ability to access copy-guarded (commercial theater) source material? I was just talking about the ability to achieve DCI color from a home theater projector...something that is not commonplace. I guess when someone asks if a projector "does" DCI, we'll need to determine if they mean color space or copy-guard...or both. There's also a slight difference in the 2K theater chips in that they have 128 more horizontal pixels than the home theater projector. Not sure how much of an impact that makes...
post #233 of 374
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

So by "compliant" you were referring to the ability to access copy-guarded (commercial theater) source material? I was just talking about the ability to achieve DCI color from a home theater projector...something that is not commonplace. I guess when someone asks if a projector "does" DCI, we'll need to determine if they mean color space or copy-guard...or both. There's also a slight difference in the 2K theater chips in that they have 128 more horizontal pixels than the home theater projector. Not sure how much of an impact that makes...

Here is a list of the equipment that is DCI compliant: http://www.dcimovies.com/compliant_equipment/
So if it's not on the list it's kind of wrong terminology to say it's DCI compliant, might be better to use the term DCI colorspace instead.
post #234 of 374
To hopefully end this tangent;

I'll apologize- I believe this sub-topic was caused by my use of the word "compliant" in the description of the avielo Helios projector- it can reproduce DCI color space, it is not an actual DCI projector as far as I know.

sorry for the confusion.

Dan
post #235 of 374
June 15th is a week away, I have one confirmation for a demonstration of the HD5, any others interested in showing?

Please post or PM me to let me know.

Dan
post #236 of 374
Did this demo take place? I'm very interested in some other thoughts.

Kevin
post #237 of 374
Yes it did.

Went very well.

What info are you interested in?

Jim
post #238 of 374
I'm sorry that I haven't posted my thoughts about the demo ; I was waiting to hear back regarding some questions I had to be complete.

Art
post #239 of 374
Thanks, Art. Looking forward to it.

Jim,
Not looking for any specific information. This just looks like a very promising projector! I am really looking forward to the thoughts of a more discriminating eye than mine.

Kevin
post #240 of 374
Kevin

At this level of cost and performance "individual taste in media and or screen/contrast/image detail" one is splitting hairs and justifying cost.

In Art's case he needs certain image requirements due to the type of media he views above and beyond what most people would need or want.

If we can hit those needs he will purchase a unit. If not he will move on.

We are in the process of qualifying the ability of this projector to meet his needs.

When we have the necessary information from DD we will let Art know and he will have to make up his mind.

If you feel you are looking at projectors in this area of performance; my suggestion is to get on a plane with what ever reference media you have

and come up here for a free demo.

Jim
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