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post #241 of 374
The Christie DHD800 looks good in specs.

8,000 lumens. 7,500:1 CR. 6 lens options. HDMI input. $23k MSRP. Specs like a Sim2 Teatro 80 for 1/3 the price.
post #242 of 374
It's a Sanyo.

The HD5 is actually built by Christie then "hot rodded" by Jim Burns of Display Development.
UHP vs Xenon once again. Optics are different, aperture plates, etc.
HD5>DHD800
Dan
post #243 of 374
And the Single Chip Sanyo DLPs were Always made by/designed by (at least partially) Delta, as Sanyo is/was an LCD house. Like the Sanyo LCDs the various generations of these Multi UHP Lamp DLP projectors were also available as Christie Eiki, and a few other brands. Old models of these 6K Lumens projector would go on as a new model at Delta's commercialisation division Vivitek.
post #244 of 374
So it's a Delta.? OEM to sanyo and Christie?
post #245 of 374
I didn't realize it was 1 chip when I posted it. That explains the price.

Does DD have a model based on the CP2210 or CP2220... with an iris mod for better CR? I don't watch B&W movies, but still want perfect convergence. My understanding is that capability comes standard on DCI projectors. And if chip size matter, with bigger being better, then the 1.2" in the CP2220 would be better than the D5 @ .95". I've also wondered if the DLP chips used in cinema projectors are higher quality than consumer versions.

I need to get out and see some DCI projectors in HT settings. My front wall is 21' W x 11' 8" H. I'm tempted go IMAX on the screen size. I also like 3D and am bothered by the sparkle used for gain in screen material. All directions point towards high lumens, but CR is important too.
post #246 of 374
At that level of projector I believe the Barco chassis are used instead of Christie.

I'm happy to discuss options with you.

It appears that you'd be looking at the Digital Film series of projectors; they start in the 90k range and go from there.

the S2k DCI chipsets are right around 90, then you move to the 1.2" DCI chipsets (at 2K res. 4K res puts you squarely in the Reference line).

When talking about these machines- the room becomes a large factor, so do your picture quality requirements; those determine the chassis and modifications necessary to reach the performance you're after. There's even a special screen recipe that Stewart has developed for the large DCI chassis installs that DD has done.

Dan
post #247 of 374
The Stewart Filmscreen rep that demoed it at ISE on Stewart's 4-way masking screen, told me it 'actually is a 25K lumens Christie'. But when I looked again it had the wellknown Barco outlines and Ceenhad later confirmed here it is a modded Barco.

Runco has been working with Christie using non-DCi and later also the DCi platform, and the Sim2 DCi uses the Barco platform.
post #248 of 374
Dan that single chip 6K lumens (two generations), with a data and a video colourwheel Sanyo was also available with an Eiki Badge, and labled as a Christie. Christie tradtionally has OEM-ed its single chippers, and its LCD projectors, the LCD's and this single chip DLP came from Sanyo. The folks at Vivitek told me that they were able the first generation of that DLP, after Sanyo had moved to a second generation. The latest genertaion is also available as 8K lumens.
post #249 of 374
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the S2k DCI chipsets are right around 90

eek.gif That is a huge premium. Still interested in DCI, but for that price, wow... gotta pass on DD.
post #250 of 374
What do you think about this product?

http://www.christiedigital.com/en-us/business/products/projectors/1-chip-dlp/e-series/pages/christie-dhd775-e.aspx
post #251 of 374
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Everything except brightness is compromised. This projector belongs in a college lecture hall, not a cinema or home theater. It will look "washed out" compared to a serious 3-chip DLP projector that's capable of delivering brightness and contrast and color accuracy and superior processing.
post #252 of 374
Does anyone have more real world info about the Sony 515? I didnt know that existed when I bought my Sony 1000 (maybe it didnt?) but it seems like a much, much better unit for just a bit more MSRP than the 1000 (25k for the 1000 vs a reported 35-40k ish).... I must be missing something.

Other than needing a room behind the theater for a projector room (which I can have if necessary), what are the negatives vs others in this class?
post #253 of 374
The only drawback I can see -- and this may be a matter of personal preference -- is that LCOS renders a softer image compared to DLP. The 515 (and the Cristie/Barco DLP counterparts) would be overkill unless you were planning to build a huge commercial size theater.
post #254 of 374
Christie, btw, is shipping their 3-chip, 4K, 60Hz units and have displayed their 3-chip, 4K, 120Hz units with shipping in relatively near future.
post #255 of 374
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The only drawback I can see -- and this may be a matter of personal preference -- is that LCOS renders a softer image compared to DLP. The 515 (and the Cristie/Barco DLP counterparts) would be overkill unless you were planning to build a huge commercial size theater.

Brightness overkill yes... but can it be stepped down or less bulbs used?

Seems it give 4k and insane brightness at a list price just above the Highlite line?

And says

DCI Compliance

Support 2K 3D HFR (48P/60P) as standard - so its Peter Jackson ready?

Is it passive 3d only though? I cannot tell. I cant do passive since I have to have an AT screen.
post #256 of 374
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Brightness overkill yes... but can it be stepped down or less bulbs used?

Seems it give 4k and insane brightness at a list price just above the Highlite line?

And says

DCI Compliance

Support 2K 3D HFR (48P/60P) as standard - so its Peter Jackson ready?

Is it passive 3d only though? I cannot tell. I cant do passive since I have to have an AT screen.

Are you interested in a CIH screen? If so, then the Sony probably isn't that much more expensive than a Highlite or Lumis when you add in the cost of a lens and automated sled (as with the Sony, you could just zoom for CIH).

Two of the biggest knocks against zoom for CIH are usually loss of resolution and loss of brightness, but the Sony 515 in zoom mode for CIH would have both more resolution and brightness than a Highlite/Lumis with a lens.
post #257 of 374
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Brightness overkill yes... but can it be stepped down or less bulbs used?

Seems it give 4k and insane brightness at a list price just above the Highlite line?

And says

DCI Compliance

Support 2K 3D HFR (48P/60P) as standard - so its Peter Jackson ready?

Is it passive 3d only though? I cannot tell. I cant do passive since I have to have an AT screen.

SOny is using RealD, so it's polarized passive 3D... needs a silver screen. They make AT screens for passive 3D... that's what all the commercial theaters use. Silver hotspots to a certain degree, so unless you use 2 screens, you're going to compromise your 2D picture for 3D. I was also told, by Mark I think, that the price came in around $55k and that was for the projector + 2D lens. The 3D dual passive lens was extra and not cheap. Availability isn't very good either. I couldn't find anywhere to see one, and none of the people I've worked with in the past sell it. There are a lot of unanswered questions.
post #258 of 374
Are you still looking for a projector in a large space? I have a 25x27 theater and used a Mitsubishi projector and love it. They have a new HC8000D that looks very nice. Of course this projector only has 1300 lumens so it depends on what you intend to view. For movies this is more than adequate. For sports with ambient light. It works but gets a little washed out depending on your lighting configuration.
Edited by OldGuy1982 - 7/24/13 at 1:59pm
post #259 of 374
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Are you still looking for a projector in a large space? I have a 25x27 theater and used a Mitsubishi projector and love it. They have a new HC8000D that looks very nice. Of course this projector only has 1300 lumens so it depends on what you intend to view. For movies this is more than adequate. For sports with ambient light. It works but gets a little washed out depending on your lighting configuration.[/quote

I am, I have just been so side tracked with my wife's pregnancy and the house construction that nothing has materialized yet. I am still very interested in the HD5 and the sony 515, as I am looking at a 200+ inch screen and do want to be able to have ambient light for fight night etc.
post #260 of 374
If you go down the 515 path please keep us informed. There seems to be basically no info on pricing, where to buy, home theater caveats etc on that unit. Be our guinea pig!
post #261 of 374
post #262 of 374
Yeah, thanks. That really only talks about specs and such... we need hands on! Cmon Chop, you know you need 10k lumens and 4k NOW!!!
post #263 of 374
It is not all about specs, gentlemen. In the home, my personal suspicion is that the HD5/HD6 proves to be not only a more realistic choice, but also ultimately more useful. Especially since for the 55k you do not get 3D (to me that doesn't matter, to some it might).

Optimize the screen size and projector choice to fit the room and seating properly- don't just go for as wide/tall/big as you can; sometimes less is more. Especially when you can't do the "more" perfectly.

Dan
post #264 of 374
I was joking a bit... but I agree, I would have to have full 3d at that price... or any price over 15k for me personally... So you would have to find a way to add the passive 3d system and proper screen for the setup with that projector.

Seems to me for really large screens, and with 3d capability built in, the DPI Highlite 660 and Titan Reference are the main players. Sim2 is still too dim (I think, from what I have read), and the Barco / Christie 35k - ish options dont have 3d ready to go out of the box, either.

That being said, if 2d was my only thing, I would be inclined to give the HD5 a very long look. If DD could get it together on a serious 3d solution for that unit, including triple flash, then I think it becomes the top dog.
Edited by hifiaudio2 - 7/25/13 at 1:34pm
post #265 of 374
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That being said, if 2d was my only thing, I would be inclined to give the HD5 a very long look.

I agree and after spending about eight hours looking at what it can do I decided to purchase the HD5 from Display Design. I've been very very busy but I've been able to run the unit through enough familiar material to know what it is capable of. First , I want to say that there is no replacement for horsepower. We are getting between 28 and 30 fL, depending on how it was measured, on my Stewart ST130 at 14' width. This is using a temporary setup on a platform at the back of the room and zooming. Once I get it in the final set up I will be able to use the ISCO III again and will get even more light.

I don't like the term but I really don't have another better so pop is the one I'll use to describe the combination of high light output and great intrascene contrast that the unit is capable of. The look of the image is very engaging for this reason but not just because of these things. The color is just stunning. As much as I hate to say it I need to bow to Peter now and admit that the xenon lamp is indeed a big step up. This makes the colors more realistic but also allows the whites to appear white very consistently.

I'm a big fan of older films so black and white is extremely important to me. This has been a real sticking point since great black and white reproduction depends on several things including white point, contrast and, importantly, panel alignment. Compromised alignment will wreck the image due to visible fringing. My HT 5000 had the best panel alignment I'd ever seen on a any projector with 80% of the screen being perfect and the edges being off about 1/4 pixel. The HD5 is great in this regard right out of the box and has adjustable panels as well.

I was particularly impressed watching Sansara and Cloud Atlas both of which tested so much of what the projector can do.I loved how daylight scenes looked like daylight and how much depth images had compared to what I had gotten used to.

The short comings are sequential contrast which is about 80% of what my SIM could do using the middle custom aperture plate that Display Designed installed . This is a compromise between max contrast and max light capability. Additionally, the projector is loud, being close to the noise of my mini split AC unit in the projection room so one needs to be prepared to isolate the projector.

Art
post #266 of 374
Thanks Art for those details!

Are the panels electronically adjustable or truly mechanically adjustable like the Barcos are? That would be a great selling point.

Are there other aperture plates that can increase the contrast? Do you have any idea how much light is lost to do that?

How many calibrated lumens do you think you are getting to get those ftL numbers?


And lastly, is there an explanation somewhere on why the colors from a Xenon bulb look different from a UHP once calibrated? I get that the native spectrum from the bulb is different, but I dont understand how it ends up being different after calibration from something like a Radiance that I would assume would make either look and measure the same....


Thanks again! Sorry for the deluge of follow up questions!
post #267 of 374
Thread Starter 
Wow, nice to hear someone picked one up already! I will also say this Art, I have watched your comments closely on PJ threads, as well as the comparo's you've made with your sim, sony1000 etc. To see that you are impressed really sways my decision making as the time to buy approaches for me now. Enjoy it!
post #268 of 374
I still wish I could find someone close enough to me that has a 160" or larger wide screen and a 1080P DLP so I can see if screen door is going to bother me.. its my biggest worry about going from my Sony 1000, which is awesome except for the brightness, to a DLP.
post #269 of 374
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I still wish I could find someone close enough to me that has a 160" or larger wide screen and a 1080P DLP so I can see if screen door is going to bother me.. its my biggest worry about going from my Sony 1000, which is awesome except for the brightness, to a DLP.

What is your seating distance from the screen? For me, personally, much closer than 1.25 screen width is where I start to want 4K. YMMV. My wife doesn't want a bigger screen or to sit closer, so for me it's a moot point.
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I was particularly impressed watching Sansara and Cloud Atlas both of which tested so much of what the projector can do.I loved how daylight scenes looked like daylight and how much depth images had compared to what I had gotten used to.

Congratulations on the new projector Art. Great demo movies, and I too like a bright picture. That is awesome bright ! Alan Gouger just ruined me when it comes to dim projectors............eek.gif
post #270 of 374
I sit 12'4" (to my eyes) from a 160" wide screen.
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