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post #31 of 104
Thread Starter 
Scott,

I'm calling you out -- one of two things is happening -
1) you haven't used the Inuke DSP
or
2) I haven't used the newest DCX2496 (is there a new version? I haven't found it?)

I have experience with both and the INuke DSP is a way more polished, easy to use interace than the DCX2496. What does the DCX2496 have that Inuke doesn't? (besides six ouptuts) I'd prefer two outputs and a cheaper price with the INuke interface - say $100 to $150 a rackmount unit would be ideal. DCX2496, at least the version I used, seems like antiquidated first gen 1991 software when compared to the INuke's DSP.

You can try the INuke DSP without the amp in simulation mode. Download it and give it a spin. It's a really nice, live, realtime interface with great visual representation of everything you do.
http://www.behringerdownload.de/iNuke/iNuke_Remote_Connect_V01-1.zip
post #32 of 104
Lol! Calling me out? What is this?

So yeah, no I haven't used the iNuke DSP before. I have no use for the amp nor the DSP as I have three DCX's and know how to use them. Also, I'd prefer more outputs and higher voltage compatibility. There is a product for each of us. Yours will take all sorts things when a simple update to the DCX would be much more practical and affordable for all parties. So you feel that the DCX needs any updated interface? I can agree with that but really what difference does it make in the long run. If you understand how it works and know how to use it, what's the big deal?

What's next?
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

I would like to see a new DCX with an updated pc interface using USB control and the ability to set HPF's and EQ centers down to 10Hz. Increase the onboard memory some while we are at it and I would be happy with it.

A cool feature would be the ability to save developed DCX settings onto a USB and load them directly from the USB drive into another unit as a selectable global settings preset.

Those are nice ideas.
post #33 of 104
I'm calling you out Archaea. On Saturday I was going to pop in my big 4 Metallica blu-ray and I opened up the case and - GONE!! I haven't watched it since you borrowed it. I know you have developed a deep affinity towards all things metal so I see what's going on here. tongue.gif
post #34 of 104
Thread Starter 
Scott,

You are going to try INuke DSP software. Expand your horizons!




I'm okay with Ricci's idea of completely rehauling DCX2496 to accomodate the new INuke DSP interface, use USB, upping onboard memory etc -- but then we are back at a INuke DSP with the OP post wishlist - ability to hit 5 or 10hz with PEQ's and filters, and rack mount standalone. tongue.gif
post #35 of 104
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

I like each and every one of those suggestions, but if you just added the ability to eq to 10hz on the DCX, then I don't see the benefit of another unit that would do basically all the same stuff...

And of course add 10 Hz capability to the iNuke's.

Now that I think about it, I'm fine with replacing my MiniDSP and IPR 3000 with an iNuke.
post #36 of 104
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Scott,

I'm calling you out -- one of two things is happening -
1) you haven't used the Inuke DSP
or
2) I haven't used the newest DCX2496 (is there a new version? I haven't found it?)

I have experience with both and the INuke DSP is a way more polished, easy to use interace than the DCX2496. What does the DCX2496 have that Inuke doesn't? (besides six ouptuts) I'd prefer two outputs and a cheaper price with the INuke interface - say $100 to $150 a rackmount unit would be ideal. DCX2496, at least the version I used, seems like antiquidated first gen 1991 software when compared to the INuke's DSP.

You can try the INuke DSP without the amp in simulation mode. Download it and give it a spin. It's a really nice, live, realtime interface with great visual representation of everything you do.
http://www.behringerdownload.de/iNuke/iNuke_Remote_Connect_V01-1.zip

I'd have gone with the Nuke if it allowed tuning under 20hz. It didn't so I went the Ep4000 route with my SMS.
post #37 of 104
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Scott,

You are going to try INuke DSP software. Expand your horizons!




I'm okay with Ricci's idea of completely rehauling DCX2496 to accomodate the new INuke DSP interface, use USB, upping onboard memory etc -- but then we are back at a INuke DSP with the OP post wishlist - ability to hit 5 or 10hz with PEQ's and filters, and rack mount standalone. tongue.gif

So I gotta buy a really crap amp to test out this by all means 'average' DSP software? Can you let me borrow yours? I've got plenty of DSP power atm. tongue.gif


Dude... you know I'm on your side. We all want the same thing but it is unrealistic to expect Behringer to build us our dream product. Not saying that won't sell any but I'm sure that the margins will not be worth it to them. Like it was mentioned on page 1, this has been attemped before. But you're new so we will take it easy on you. biggrin.gif
post #38 of 104
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I'm calling you out Archaea. On Saturday I was going to pop in my big 4 Metallica blu-ray and I opened up the case and - GONE!! I haven't watched it since you borrowed it. I know you have developed a deep affinity towards all things metal so I see what's going on here. tongue.gif

I have a little secret - I never even opened that case when I borrowed it from you.

I watched the woman german orchestra thingy, but none of the other stuff. Not really my thing. Did anyone else borrow it? Cause you can't pin that one on me. biggrin.gif
post #39 of 104
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Scott,

You are going to try INuke DSP software. Expand your horizons!




I'm okay with Ricci's idea of completely rehauling DCX2496 to accomodate the new INuke DSP interface, use USB, upping onboard memory etc -- but then we are back at a INuke DSP with the OP post wishlist - ability to hit 5 or 10hz with PEQ's and filters, and rack mount standalone. tongue.gif

So I gotta buy a really crap amp to test out this by all means 'average' DSP software? Can you let me borrow yours? I've got plenty of DSP power atm. tongue.gif


Dude... you know I'm on your side. We all want the same thing but it is unrealistic to expect Behringer to build us our dream product. Not saying that won't sell any but I'm sure that the margins will not be worth it to them. Like it was mentioned on page 1, this has been attemped before. But you're new so we will take it easy on you. biggrin.gif

Dude,

You can try the software without owning the amp. Just download it, bask in its glory, then laugh at that two bit dcx2496 software that was made using punchcard technology by comparison.

New? join date in 2004 and I'm a newb? tongue.gif

post #40 of 104
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

I have a little secret - I never even opened that case when I borrowed it from you.

I watched the woman german orchestra thingy, but none of the other stuff. Not really my thing. Did anyone else borrow it? Cause you can't pin that one on me. biggrin.gif

Gotcha, thanks. I'll ask around. Who knows, it could be in the case for Die Hard or something like that.
post #41 of 104
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post


New? join date in 2004 and I'm a newb? tongue.gif


Huh?!?! I swear you joined before I did. I remember DD was talking about it.
post #42 of 104
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Dude,

You can try the software without owning the amp. Just download it, bask in its glory, then laugh at that two bit dcx2496 software that was made using punchcard technology by comparison.

New? join date in 2004 and I'm a newb? tongue.gif


But it does everything I need... it's not difficult to use. I'm fine. Enjoy your nuclear DSP. tongue.gif

And maybe some sub 20hz capability will earn ya some respect. biggrin.gif

Jk.. you're cool. smile.gif
post #43 of 104
What I personally like about the DCX is this...

It is a stand alone unit
It has XLR in and out.( I couldn't give less of a care about RCA. 2 of my major systems have zero as in zero RCA cables.)
Cheap
Rack mountable
Plenty of inputs and output options for most cases
Accurate digital controls of input and output gain
Can be operated via PC or from the front. I always just use the front. (I don't like units that require a pc interface to operate.)
Will accept and pass a clean 12 volts. This is absolutely key for me. No issues of ever not being able to drive even the biggest amps, allows more gain structure flexibility, lower system noise floor and higher dynamic range above it, which is useful with systems that are really efficient. Allows large amounts of EQ while still having the headroom not to clip the output.

Negatives
Archaic pc interface and cable required
DSP is lacking in memory and HP compared to newer stuff
Nothing below 20Hz. Even just HPF's would really be good enough for most.

That is my personal list...

So yeah basically take the Inuke DSP itself...Put it in the remainder of the DCX chassis with the inuke controls, add in a nice USB pc interface, bump up the memory and allow DSP down to 10Hz instead of 20 and keep the price the same as the DCX or just a bit more. I'd buy 4 of them to replace my DCX's.
post #44 of 104
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Originally Posted by zheka View Post

if the proposed device was available in the same price range as miniDSP I'd definitely buy it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Simonian View Post

But it does everything I need... it's not difficult to use. I'm fine. Enjoy your nuclear DSP. tongue.gif

And maybe some sub 20hz capability will earn ya some respect. biggrin.gif

Jk.. you're cool. smile.gif

I'll sign the petition...

I addition to all of the other requests, would having remote functionality and video out GUI (think SMS-1) options be asinine requests? It would be ridiculously cool to be able to run your OM sweeps and adjust your filters from the comfort of your kings chair with minimal wiring required...

Just thinking out loud.

I say the more traffic this thread receives, the stronger case it presents.

Of course, I'm a young naive optimist noob that likes to chase fairytales...lol
post #45 of 104
I agree with Josh above. To make it as versatile as the miniDSP, I'd like to see it offer an "advanced" menu in the PC software in which one could enter the transfer function coefficients of the biquads directly, and associate it with the biquad's position in the circuit (so that one could put biquads with boost at the end of the chain for best dynamic range for example).

I'd buy one. biggrin.gif
post #46 of 104
I gave up on my DCX2496 and purchased a Sanway Ashly Protea 4.8 clone. Four inputs and 8 outputs. Front panel mounted USB connector for programming and the software it comes with is very user friendly. Here is what the software looks like:



Compared to the DCX, the Sanway is much quieter. I'm using it to bi-amp my main two speakers along with my bi-amp'd center channel. I use another one to run my two subwoofers. The only complaint is that it only equalizes down to 20 Hz like the DCX.
post #47 of 104
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Originally Posted by fperra View Post

I gave up on my DCX2496 and purchased a Sanway Ashly Protea 4.8 clone.

They make counterfeit versions of Ashly processors, too?

Sad.
post #48 of 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by fperra View Post

I gave up on my DCX2496 and purchased a Sanway Ashly Protea 4.8 clone. Four inputs and 8 outputs. Front panel mounted USB connector for programming and the software it comes with is very user friendly. Here is what the software looks like:



Compared to the DCX, the Sanway is much quieter. I'm using it to bi-amp my main two speakers along with my bi-amp'd center channel. I use another one to run my two subwoofers. The only complaint is that it only equalizes down to 20 Hz like the DCX.

How much does Sanway charge for this? Could be a decent miniDSP 10x10hd substitute.

Lol, I think I've asked you this question already. redface.gif
post #49 of 104
Count me in. If they build it, I'll buy it.
post #50 of 104
I'd be down for one and would also like to see a software update for the iNukes to go below 20hz.
post #51 of 104
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Originally Posted by Ricci View Post

So yeah basically take the Inuke DSP itself...Put it in the remainder of the DCX chassis with the inuke controls, add in a nice USB pc interface, bump up the memory and allow DSP down to 10Hz instead of 20 and keep the price the same as the DCX or just a bit more. I'd buy 4 of them to replace my DCX's.

Pretty much this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The best part for me about the DCX is the front panel controls so you don't have to drag your laptop in to make changes everytime. I have tried the Inuke software and it is a huge improvement over the antiquated DCX software but I like the option of not having to use it if I just want to make a quick change. I also tried the MiniDSP software which is great but again, everytime I make a change I have to use my laptop which is just more of a hassle then just stepping up to the DCX's front panel.

If they just take Josh's suggestion above I would buy a few my-self.
post #52 of 104
Werd.
post #53 of 104
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I addition to all of the other requests, would having remote functionality and video out GUI (think SMS-1) options be asinine requests? It would be ridiculously cool to be able to run your OM sweeps and adjust your filters from the comfort of your kings chair with minimal wiring required...

I like this as well, if Velodyne would just make a SMS-2 with shelf filters or an LT function and calibrated measurement down to 5 or 10 hz then I would buy one. Personally it would be worth it to me if they added those items and went back to there $600 to $700 price as it would be worth it for the convenience. Adding in multiple sub control for phase, polarity and volume as well as maybe a PC interface like wifi to save graphs and I might short it out from all the drool tongue.gif

Pretty much I want to be able to measure and make adjustments as quickly as possible without having to connect a comp each and everytime.
post #54 of 104
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

Pretty much this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The best part for me about the DCX is the front panel controls so you don't have to drag your laptop in to make changes everytime. I have tried the Inuke software and it is a huge improvement over the antiquated DCX software but I like the option of not having to use it if I just want to make a quick change. I also tried the MiniDSP software which is great but again, everytime I make a change I have to use my laptop which is just more of a hassle then just stepping up to the DCX's front panel.

If they just take Josh's suggestion above I would buy a few my-self.

You can set up DSP in INuke using front panel contorls too. The remote software is optional though very convinient.
post #55 of 104
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I like this as well, if Velodyne would just make a SMS-2 with shelf filters or an LT function and calibrated measurement down to 5 or 10 hz then I would buy one. Personally it would be worth it to me if they added those items and went back to there $600 to $700 price as it would be worth it for the convenience. Adding in multiple sub control for phase, polarity and volume as well as maybe a PC interface like wifi to save graphs and I might short it out from all the drool tongue.gif

Pretty much I want to be able to measure and make adjustments as quickly as possible without having to connect a comp each and everytime.

I talked with the Velodyne rep about a possible SMS-2 three or four years ago. He said it will probably never happen.
I didn't understand it then and I still don't. If your market is the HT enthusiast/pro installer, a better tool would make for a better install. HT is a large and growing market.
One would think that an improved upon product would make sense on many levels.
post #56 of 104
It's because something like the SMS is a specialty product. Not many people would need it or even know that they need it. Not many people also have multiple subs or even high end subs. Most people also don't even know that their receivers probably have automated calibration systems like MCACC or Audyssey. I can understand them not wanting to make an SMS2 from a business standpoint because the market just isn't big enough for it. Sure, there's us here on the forums, but in the big picture, the average consumer doesn't need a product like that, even if it would potentially make their cheap subs sound better.
post #57 of 104
Ya, but the SMS1 is a specialty product as well.
All of their subs are setup for daisy chaining/multiples, etc. So, there are many theaters that have more than one DD sub in them.
It would only make sense to update the specialty product they have now. I understand there are substantial costs involved with any product.

They also make another 5 mic add on for the SMS1 at a substantial cost as well. The market for that add on is minuscule compared the base SMS-1.
post #58 of 104
Again, very few people are going to see the need to spend $500 for a sub eq system (that can only EQ 2 subs at that) other than enthusiasts. The need just isn't big enough right now.
post #59 of 104
Exactly, that is why the best hope is for Behringer to simple release a slightly modified version of their software on the products they already have!
post #60 of 104
Behringer needs to make an updated DCX2496 with USB connectivity, preferably a USB connector on the front panel for easy access. They also need to change the software to that which is used in the iNukes. And it would be nice for equalization down to 10 HZ. Now that would be a product that would sell.
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