Long time coming. Finally time to build my AT screen!!! Spandex or Seymour (or other)??? - Page 2

MM, I totally get your point. However, based on your explanation, it sounds like there's no forum that welcomes a mfg/DIY hybrid without violating the rules of each individual forum. Perhaps a hybrid forum should be started?

Tux, I only have an 8.5x11 sample of the xd. Good enough? The larger sample costs $20, so I didn't want to shell out the cash for that.

Tux,

Someone involved in DIY Screen Building isn't tied to the same constraints as someone involved in DIY Speaker Building. While the latter must use Mfg products because it's virtually impossible for someone to wind their own Voice Coils and construct their own Speaker Baskets, DIY Screen making is based on using products NOT specific to use as Screens, so that depending on such products is not necessary.

You obviously do not know of the several years of rancorous postings, intentional assaults on member's characters, and in a real sense, the belittlement of AVS's reputation on a "World Wide" basis, all because a relative few disgruntled members and Mfg Screen proponents made a concerted effort to subvert Threads, deny members the ability to discuss DIY projects, and create a terrible atmosphere for exchanging ideas. DIY'ers around the Planet cried foul. Some of it was profit driven by Mfg Screen Dealers ( losing profit to DIY apps hurt ....and we "were" hurtin; them...! Other situations were of a more personal affront, based on jealousy that some DIY Screen apps were dominating.the attention of prospective Mfg Screen Customers.

First the two Forums were split (...do you gotta ask 'why"?) and when that didn't stem the flow of Bile and confrontation, more explicit edicts were laid down. That effort has lasted for a good while...but only because most everyone plays by the stated Rules. While you and a few others may think this is not applicable in this case, it is...and recent Threads and post allude to it only getting worse as time passes.

Absolutely, most of everything has to do with DIY'ers tending to feel what they have made is as good as or even better than the Mfg products their Peers have chosen. That rankles those who felt the need to spend...sometimes a lot...for whatever reason. It always has.

And it's already been proven in the past, since the changes came into effect, that given even the slightest leeway, some people will not just take advantage of such, they will purposefully run it into the ground.

So with DIY Screen, there are no "Gray Areas".....because some people's own actions won't allow such. And it has to be that way. Consider this: If I start a Thread to discuss the merits between having a DIY painted Wall Screen over spending for a Black Diamond, or even go on there to "express my opinion" about such over on the Screen Forum, I'll get a whamming so hard and fast it would be silly. And be certain of this, the demands to do so would come from a very specific group...and be backed up by the Forum Owners and Mods.

How then is it to be considered fair that those who fall prey to only knowing about Mfg Screen options because the only place they visited was Screens. Are they to be denied the chance to find out about viable DIY Screen alternatives...because one does not dare mention DIY Paint...or Spandex...on the "Screens" Forum?

The answer is "Yes". Because that is what the Rules laid down dictate.

Actually, as I stated previously, there is a way...but it involves focusing on the specific things allowed, and declining to elaborate on the things that are not.

All I have asked is that such a courtesy be extended to this Forum. A lack of understanding...or simply a unwillingness to consider is really where the problem lies.

I instruct many people "off Thread" via PM and Email on how to use a variety of products,and construct many different things. I've sent people to Mfg Screen sites, and even tutored those on using Stewart / SMX / and Da-Lite materials on DIY Frames. But always I do so in a manner that does not violate Forum Rules.

And last of all, the weirdness of the DIY Rules on this Forum is due to what has been expected to happen in the past. The Forum Owners want no, nor will allow no repetition. If blame is to be cast, it belongs on the backs of those whose actions and intentions made such edicts necessary.

We can effectively help anyone do anything if we but use common sense and reasoning. If I was told to never help people who want advice on how to construct a Theater, because they asked such on a Thread about painting a Screen, I'd comply...and take such advice to PMs...or visit a Thread on a different Forum that addresses such.

When you have someone from this DIY forums that can make/produce Spandex from their home, get back to me.

Fair enough. I'll have my XD up in about a week. If anyone wants to see the before (Moleskin Spandex) and after (XD), send me a PM. The one thing I will say is I don't want to discourage those using spandex - it is a relatively inexpensive way to get a nice looking AT screen. I just found my current setup to be too dim. Others are finding that as well and are evolving the procedure by adding white/silver or finer spandex, etc. That is the part of the DIY forum that I think is cool.

No can do...but I can point you to someone who can "stretch" their credibility 4-ways by making silly comments.

Just be advised that most who develop a bent toward always creating issues often find that their roots are buried in the making of such crazy responses when they know they have no real answer to give.

You have lots to offer DIY'ers if you want to / plan to frequent this Forum. You've plainly shown that up to this point. So do your best to understand why DIY Screens exists and why there are Rules in place.

If your still befuddled after all this, then let's meet for a Craft Brew in Hartford between the 19th and the 23rd. I'll be up in West Granby and also flitting around Manchester.

After 3-4 rounds, I'm sure we'll come to a meeting of the minds. ..or lose them

BTW, the beers will be on me.

blastermaster: pm sent

orcarola25 pm sent.

That's very tempting MM. But first, let's see if we can dig ourselves out of this snow storm.

smokarz pm sent

I should be able to do something with that. If you don't mind mailing it to me I'll pm you my address.


You're right. I didn't know there was such a history of bickering. To bad it's that way. Thanks for the explanation.

Your welcome.

You really cannot know how much I hate having to bring the subject up....but therein does lie the reason behind the Rules that are in place.

And they have worked no small degree of magic ever since. yet as shown recently, even a small divergence can multiply itself to a point where it all falls to pieces.
I appreciate yours and anyone's understanding in all of it. Yes...I'm on here about everyday, and usually, I'm about the only one to respond to such incursions, be they innocent or intentional.
I always try to do it in a courteous, well intentioned manner. I don't just mash down on the "Report" icon as some have inferred. That is held in reserve if people get "continuously" crappy about it all.

As I said, that's been almost eliminated. Almost. As in any Public Forum, it will never entirely cease. But what we have going on here is a system that does work 99% of the time...and that ain't bad at all.

Tuxedocivic. Pm sent