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Cambridge S30 on its side?

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I've read on here where most don't recommend putting a bookshelf speaker on its side unless its specifically made for it...but is that just because it may effect sound quality or could it potentially damage the speaker somehow?

I'm setting my dad up with a surround system and he needs to put the speakers horizontal. I have the S30s and was thinking of getting him the same for F and L and then get another pair and he take one for center speaker and I take the other to have as my center speaker.
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IMO it is no problem and has little to no affect on the sound. I run 5 NHT super zeros with the center being laid over on its side. Sounds perfectly fine to me.
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The basic sound will not change much on axis, although it depends on what the new effective baffle area will be around the tweeter. If there was nothing above or beside the speaker when it was standing up, and then you place it horizontally on and flush with the front of, say, a cabinet, there will now be much more baffle below the tweeter than there was, and this will change the diffraction effects and the response. Off axis horizontally, the new position will create a suckout in the crossover area as you move further and further off axis. That's because the relative distance of the woofer and tweeter changes, and that changes arrival time and relative phase. If the tweeter and woofer were in phase in the crossover region on axis, then eventually they will go out of phase with each other off axis, and the cancellation effects will cause a suckout. I've inserted two simulations of the S30 I worked with. One is the on-axis response with normal polarity. The other shows what happens when you reverse the phase of the tweeter. This is pretty much what would happen far off axis horizontally with the speaker on its side, except that the tweeter response would also trend down at the top as its dispersion narrows with increasing frequency. If you listen far off axis, you will hear the dip. On axis, the dip will be part of the overall power response, which includes reflected sound. But this may not be much of an issue depending on the room. Imaging might suffer, since the two stereo speakers will not combine in the same way in the horizontal plane. One thing for sure--it won't damage the speakers, and it's sure worth a try given what great bargains the S30's are.







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Thanks to you both. Mr. Murphy, that was very informative and very much so over my head. It only took me three times to read it... Thanks again! I'm loving my S30s.
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Originally Posted by trifishy View Post

I've read on here where most don't recommend putting a bookshelf speaker on its side unless its specifically made for it...but is that just because it may effect sound quality...?
Yes, it may. Having a midbass and tweeter side by side may introduce comb filtering that's not audible when the speaker is vertical. Much depends on the drivers, the distance between them, and the specifics of the crossover. A speaker intended for horizontal placement that's been well designed can work just fine, though IME most aren't.
If it's an MTM speaker the situation is straightforward. Horizontal dispersion of the frequency bandwidth of the midbasses will be more than halved compared to vertical placement, and not only is comb filtering between the midbass and tweeter outputs a concern, comb filtering of the outputs of the two midbasses is also a possibility.
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The S30 is under 9" tall standing up - that's comparable to many dedicated horizontal center speakers. Sure that won't fit?

(The matching center channel is the S50 which is just over 4.5" high - unusually low for a horz. center speaker.)
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

The S30 is under 9" tall standing up - that's comparable to many dedicated horizontal center speakers. Sure that won't fit?

(The matching center channel is the S50 which is just over 4.5" high - unusually low for a horz. center speaker.)

Yes, he could stand them up as should be, but he said he is going to put them on their sides for aesthetic reasons....if sound is effected I'm sure he can talk my mom into standing them upright.

Is the S50 recommended or is having three S30s across the front better?
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Originally Posted by trifishy View Post

Is the S50 recommended or is having three S30s across the front better?

I would go for three S30 speakers across the front, standing up - and that will give you
the overall best sound, for imaging and soundstage presentation.
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

I would go for three S30 speakers across the front, standing up - and that will give you
the overall best sound, for imaging and soundstage presentation.

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