Question about XS30 vs Vtf-15h - Page 5

I do get what they're saying. Nothing thoughtfully shared is being lost. Getting and understanding is not the same as agreeing nor does failing to agree or having a different view point, slow down one's education. How about sticking to the thread's topic; the comparison of the XS30 to that of the VTF-15H? That would be kind of you.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/7/13 at 5:14am

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/7/13 at 5:13am

You keep evading questions by rambling on with misinformation. You clearly don't understand the basic concepts needed to make an informed decision between two subwoofers here. Yet you continue to stray from the OP's topic while blaming others for straying anytime they call you out. It's silly, and is only ruining another person's thread.

You need to admit that you don't know everything. This will set you free and allow you to truly take part in a conversation on here without feeling like everyone is out to get you.

And yes, this is relevant to the OP's topic now because you made it so.

That's a big space and I would consider ported subs. I'm not sure what your budget is but i'm assuming around 1k based on the subs mentioned. You can buy one and place it nearfield (lose some boundry gain) or go duals but that would be over budget.
I have dual 15Hs in a 4500^3 space which works well for me. Originally I had one but I went for another to help smooth out my response.
For me and your space I would be looking at duals. The Hsu 15H, Psa ported or even the Rythmik ported. (trying to keep in your single sub budget)

P.S. I read Ack's post and i'm of the same opinion. lol
Edited by sputter1 - 2/7/13 at 6:15am

Good point on the nearfield placement. That could help.

For what it's worth, I have the XS30 in a nearfield placement and it works well for my room. It destroyed the null I was sitting in by doing this. However my room is half that size. I would definitely recommend the dual subs like everyone else has. I would feel confident in recommending dual XS30s even in that large space depending on the opening, etc...

I saw your post here as well.
"My budget is around $2000. I was interested at first in getting two VTF-15h's. But, now been looking at some singles around that range. My listening area is open to most of the house with high ceilings 6000-7000 ft^3, so I was thinking the dual subs might be better.

Anyone have any preferences between two duals vs one $2000 sub?

I was leaning towards one Funk 18.1, but the 7-8 week delivery time is kind of bummer. I travel a lot for work so I would want it there when I get a chance to be home."

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1453075/looking-to-upgrade#post_22853764

It really depends on your goals in output and frequency response. In that large of a space it is going to take some firepower. Its going to take a lot of subwoofer to get useable ~<18-20hz low end bass, so a ported alignment makes sense IMO in your size space and budget.

Nearfield placement should be tried out as mentioned.
I would look towards one or two. If you get one can always add another later.

Passive JTR Captivator and amp
PSA VX30
Rythmik FV15HP
Vtf 15hs

Of course you can get a lot of bang for buck DIY like the f20 horn's, lot's of options if intrigued.
http://www.avsforum.com/f/155/diy-speakers-and-subs

good luck:)

Well of those 4 subs the Captivator would have more output then the other three. If the OP has the budget for it I wouldn't even consider the other three.

Question for you Luke....Why do you list only 1 Rythmik but lists 15Hs? One of my subs can do anything a Rythmik can.

I said one or two of any. I think the Rythmik is a better sub from everything I have seen and others I have spoken with. The 15H is the least expensive of the ones I mentioned so would be easiest to get two now if one purchase and done sticking at ~2k. They are all great subs I don't say just one brand is the way to go. I have dual 15H's now in a room with good gain and like them a lot. I have bought quad 18" SI drivers and will implement at some point this year and move the HSU to the living room. Its all about how loud, low, and linear you want to be in your space and I like bass.

I agree jbrown but passive subs that require a pro amp are not for everyone. He would want to talk with Jeff at JTR to see on if in stock and if he could work with him on delivery as he said, "I was leaning towards one Funk 18.1, but the 7-8 week delivery time is kind of bummer. I travel a lot for work so I would want it there when I get a chance to be home." It would be a nice way to go as can add a second passive and/or get more powerful amp down the road. The duals on the crown 5000 watt amp leave nothing to be desired to just below tune in Archaea's room.

If I have learned anything about my big room (similar size to the OP's) is that dual capable subs really make a difference. If I had $2K and did not want to go DIY, I would get two VTF-15H subs and call it a day. One in my room was probably enough for most people, two should be impressive.

For $2K and DIY the OP could go with four sealed 18" subs and pretty much double what the two VTF-15H subs could do.

I hope the OP doesnt mind, but im struggling to figure out which sub to buy, too. Im somewhat of a beginner.. I was looking at the VTF-15 myself.. then someone mentioned this XS30.. My budget was supposed to be $1000. but it seems i could possibly get it to $1100 (Im probably getting myself into a hobby that someone on my paygrade shouldnt ) im open to other options as long as in my price range. I really am looking to spend $1100 max on ONE sub, and eventually get a matching one when money allows. i have no WAF factor to worry about. I do live in a rinky-dink apartment, but please... when giving advice, dont take my neighbors into consideration. I make friendly with my neighbors and invite them down I want it to tickle my tonsils. I wont deep, hard, low bass. Ill put a few pics of my place below for your consideration. (Please no judgement on my front L/R speakers, i dont have the money some of you folks do, although i wish i could afford the nicer toys.. I get by though). Some rough calculations: the square area in my L shaped apartment that would be the tip of the "L" is about 1200^3 feet. The shaft of the L (from the front door to the end of the kitchen back there is probably 1600^3 feet. Ceiling is 7'9" and the long wall from the front door to the back wall in the kitchen is 29.5 ft, for some scale). the sub will probably go in between the couches in that corner there. Thanks for any help. Hope you dont mind mr OP

The first two pics are from the front door. the 3rd pic is from the dining area (before the kitchen) looking into the corner where my current poopy-sub is. the last pic is the POV of my current subwoofer if it was a few feet taller. (its a view from the corner where my sub is now)

Hope ya'll can help with some informative opinions.I am open to sealed or ported, as i dont know whats best for me. I want power.. i like it when bass tickles your throat even when its at sub- sonic levels!! PS, i love this AVSForums... i spend almost half my workday reading on hear, trying to gain some knowledge

Wow, with the equipment you already have there, I don't know where you are going to fit either. Hmmm, maybe you'd like to trade those end tables in for something a bit nicer, heavier, and louder...lol

I've never heard the XS30 but it has gotten plenty of good press and would most likely do you proud. I own dual VTF 15H's and I can tell you that you won't be disappointed with one, let alone 2.

Well with the XS30 being dual opposed drivers they cancel each other out as far as the vibrations go so the enclosures don't vibrate at all. So if you wanted too you could use two of them beside your couches as end tables!..lol
The finish on them is very durable too.

yeah, like i said.. no WAF factor.. for all i care, i can have 4ohm end tables, and a quasi 18" 5000watt coffee table. lol. So i guess my little apartment, i couldnt go wrong with either then it sounds like.. Its so damn tough to just pull the trigger on something.. someone almost has me convinced to go with dual Dayton 18" with the flat pack box (supposedly goes together quite easy), and just attempt a DIY, but i just dont know.. this is a big investment for me and i dont want to eff it up.. to get dual 18's for about the same price as one of these, DIY almost sounds worth the attempt. I dont have all the sound testing gear and tons of tools and whatnot though. Decisions, Decisions! Im so bad at making one

Not sure where the HSU customer service post is coming from. This is the first time I have ever heard someone knock it. Most heavily praise HSU customer service so could hope for some explination there.

The HSU and PSA SX30 were in my top of my list..as I think anyone making a list would have these as well.

HSU, PSA and Rythmik is what I was debating...

I drooled at JTR and Seaton ...if I could have...I would have, but it was just out of my price range.

SVS was there too..and frankly they make a great sub...but cost was just outside of what I could swing.

In the end I picked what I felt would give me the best movie and music experience. Quality was never questioned...and performance was well documented.

I went with the Rythmik FV15HP. I just got it yesterday and still dialing it in and figuring it out.

HSU would have been my next choice and I probably could have got duals easier..there was just a few negatives I saw and in shoot outs they always do well..but never at the top. Of course cost wise there is no comparison...HSU. (Can disagree obviously)

PSA just didn't have enough info out there for me...

Anyway...my two cents.

i agree, i just cant get enough reading in on PSA as of yet, but ill keep on looking around. research, research, reasearch!

hope you like the rhythmik. Let us know how it works out. Im always curious to hear more opinions

Going to give a full review. Prior to this I had a velodyne vx-10b... Not exactly a fair review but still. When I post pictures you will get a good laugh. It is like a toddler standing next to big PAPA.

The first thing both myself and my wife could tell...was that with the velodyne we got that boom boom affect because it was probably running too hot to get any kind of bass out of it in the room it was in.

The Rythmik has no boom...just flawlessly integrates with the system ..and nothing was dialed in and my receiver is a basic 5 year old yamaha with no room correction. My new Onkyo 818 is coming...want to wait till it gets here before I give everything a full review.

There are a handful of people here that have had the pleasure to hear all these subs head to head...it was upon their advice I went with the Rythmik. If you look at the sub shoot out post...you can guess who most of them are. Now that advice was tempered with my use, room and budget in mind.

A little bit of old man wisdom, might help.

Always go with that what makes you all warm and fuzzy inside. And when you arrive, don't look back.

As to DIY, in honesty, you know if you're qualified or if you'll get glue all over yourself. As to which ID subwoofer to get, they're all "GREAT" subwoofers, don't matter who you go with. As to the number of subs, three is better than two, two is better than one and two equally priced budget subs (two subs like two Klipsch, RE-12d to one sub like a Rythmik, LV12r in price) is better than one comparably priced sub.

You're in an apartment. How loud can you really go? If you're able to crank it and rock out with friends on Saturday night, go with two Rythmik, LV12r subs and "PARRRRR-TA!"

If the Grinch of doom is going bang on your door at 9:00 o'clock, then you'll just have to suck it up and scale your desires back. In the end, it's all about what you can get away with in a communal environment and what your ego demands of you. My bet, based on the images posted, your ego demands a lot of you and getting in trouble is a lot of fun ( ... ), And I'd guess you want to push your sound levels a lot more then the apartment environment will allow. A given, pushing the envelope on occasions is a good thing more then a bad and there's nothing wrong with that as we all have to live our lives the best we know how and then say we're sorry in the morning. Inviting neighbors over helps cool a lot of misplaced feelings as don't they understand, you're just trying to have fun.

With all the Yoda based bla, bla, bla in my above, if my above is accurate, in manufactured subs, I'd go with, starting with a couple of well received budget minded subs.

2 Klipsch, RW-12d's

2 BIC, PL-200's

2 SVS, PB-1000 or SB-1000

1 SVS, PC12-NSD

2 Rythmik, LV12r's

The list above is intended to keep to your stated budget and be as flexible as possible regarding my thoughts above.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/6/13 at 7:58am

yeah, i live in apartment but i still go loud. one, i make friendly with all my neighbors.. i do invite them down all the time.. hell, if i go the DIY route, it will be my neighbors tools that will be building the sub that will probably be rattling his walls i also know when i have a license to rock out. saturday and sunday during the days, thats all me! and up until 10:00-ish is where the one neighbor with a kid will start to politely ask me to notch it on down. fridays, i am pretty careless, and thats the day i end up usually getting a visit from the same cop. hehehe, but he is even cool, because i am very very polite once they show up. He always says the same thing.. after about 5 visits, he still says "Thats strike two, buddy!"

The XS30 has only really been out for about two months so there's a reason why you won't find any pro reviews on it. Plus not to mention PSA literally doesn't care to give any out for reviews because every one they make are basically spoken for. They have sold over two hundred of them since it was release. Over on the Home Theater Shack forum there's a pretty good user review though.

thanks, ill check it out

Here's the link. http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/home-audio-subwoofers/64133-power-sound-audio-xs30-first-impressions.html

I agree with most people here... get two HSU and call it a day..given budget ...size of room etc.

well, im pretty wishy-washy, lol. Those damn DIY'ers almost have me lured in to attempting a build, even though im pretty darn clueless. I dont know though, i kind of have faith in myself. I learned how to build a computer from reading forums, etc.. and it turned very nice.. Hoping maybe i can pull this off.. Its a tossup between the Hsu's and a DIY project now

That's really not a bad idea Nick. You can grab two of these flatpacks http://www.diysoundgroup.com/flat-packs-1/subwoofer-flatpacks-2/4-sub-flat-pack.html
And two drivers http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=295-472 and built two boxes pretty cheap.

that is exactly the plan. that flat pack with that sub.. one to start, and if i do a good job... another to follow.

If you are at all handy...there is ZERO doubt...DYI is the way to go.

That being said...this is a pretty big project to jump into.