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post #1051 of 1383
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Originally Posted by jtheby05 View Post

Yeah I figured it would be no problem...just crossing my Ts ya know smile.gif

Can't wait to get everything...first 'real' HT I'm building. smile.gif
Have fun with it. This is also my first home theater build and, even though most of my stuff is pretty old/vintage, I've had a lot of fun playing with it and tweaking everything constantly. One thing I've found is that whatever you have, is never good enough. You'll constantly find yourself changing settings, changing speaker location, trying to get everything *just so.* But, at least speaking from my experience, you'll never be fully satisfied. I purchased a really cheap budget subwoofer, so i'm looking to upgrade that ASAP. I was eyeing some SVS models, but I found a guy selling a fairly pristine set of Mirage M-3Si's and I'm trying to negotiate a fair price for those while also trying to get him to toss in his Mirage BPS 400 as a package deal. Granted, by today's standards, the BPS 400 probably isn't as efficient, nor performs as well as SVS or HSU, BUT if I could get it for a steal and NOT have to spend 1k on just a sub, it would be worth the trade off. Point being, you've now opened a door you'll never be happy about closing. tongue.gif
post #1052 of 1383
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Originally Posted by kjohn View Post

. . . but what is real DLNA compared to not real DLNA ?
There are different levels of implementations of DLNA. Just stating that it's DLNA Certified gives you no indication as to how inclusive it will be. My LG BD390, several years old, sees everything, every shared volume on my LAN. It even sees the external hard drive on my DISH box. It can't play any of the proprietary files on it, but it sees it none the less. I have played music and movies from an SD card through the card reader on my wireless Epson printer. I can stream from anything that is a shared volume. No added software or specific designation other than is being a "shared volume". That's full "real" DLNA. The 1222 won't see anything other than "media servers", which is usually a Windows Media limitation. That's "partial" DLNA. Although it does see any "media server" designated volume, it does not see any of the standard shared volumes that the 390 does.

From what I am seeing of this model is that the Pioneer that I use to revere is gone. Even their Elite line is lacking the feature richness they use to have and I became to love. Every time I go to do something with this 1222, I forget that it's a feature that my VSX D909S had that this does not. Far more features on a 10 year old non-HDMI unit than a more contemporary model. I'm worried. Especially when I have called Pioneer and am told that I am expecting too much. They had it once, now it's expecting too much.
post #1053 of 1383
Being able to access network share has nothing to do with DLNA. That's not what DLNA all about. But DLNA certification is about as useless as it really is. There is no requirement that a DLNA must play certain media types.
post #1054 of 1383
Hey everyone. Recently acquired the SC 1222-K. I love the audio output of the receiver. However, I am going a little crazy with the controls. I need help. I cannot figure out the ideal setting given there seems to be three ways (at least that I am focused on) to achieve great sound 1) the EQ settings in the actual receiver - talking about the manual equalizer bars that you can access through the MCACC submenus 2) the "Finger EQ" in the AVcontrol2012 app and 3) the Tone settings in the app and 4) Direct vs ALC. Thus my confusion. Any thoughts on how to not go crazy?

Thanks!
post #1055 of 1383
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Originally Posted by hallofgods View Post

Hey everyone. Recently acquired the SC 1222-K. I love the audio output of the receiver. However, I am going a little crazy with the controls. I need help. I cannot figure out the ideal setting given there seems to be three ways (at least that I am focused on) to achieve great sound 1) the EQ settings in the actual receiver - talking about the manual equalizer bars that you can access through the MCACC submenus 2) the "Finger EQ" in the AVcontrol2012 app and 3) the Tone settings in the app and 4) Direct vs ALC. Thus my confusion. Any thoughts on how to not go crazy?

Thanks!

That's easy do whatever settings sound good to you.
post #1056 of 1383
Yep, I was looking for more of a starting point as to which to adjust first....Any case, another question, is it worth getting a wireless connection for receiver. I currently have it wired directly into my network and have an apple TV hooked in via HDMI. Will the audio quality improve if I stream audio to the net gear wireless device (quite a few people have mentioned that enables the SC 1222K to go wireless) instead of via the AppleTV?

Thanks much!
post #1057 of 1383
Wires beat wireless every time smile.gif. If you already have a wired connection there is no reason to network it wirelessly.
Salem
post #1058 of 1383
I have a 5.1 set up and noticing an issue where my surround right speaker doesn't have any sound unless I am using extended stereo. Surround left is working fine in Digital Plus and other options. Tried setting the levels of both the surround speakers without any luck.
post #1059 of 1383
Will the SC-1222K allow you to watch TV in one room and play music in another JUST WITH SPEAKERS ATTACHED AS SPEAKER B? (i.e. multitask?). I'm not using the zone 2 out etc. Just two sets of speakers attached to Speaker A and Speaker B.
post #1060 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Bachiano View Post

Try Jriver Media Center

I've been trying the beta on a mac.
But they have a pc vesion that is alot more mature.
The PC version also streams Video.

I've been streaming flac files all day long.

There is also a beautiful controller for ios called Jremote.

Thanks for the recommendation Bachiano, I've tried out this software and it seems to be a great tool. However, when I stream FLAC files from Jriver to my 1222K, it's being converted to an MP3 file. At least, this is what the tv screen is telling me. How do you stream it as FLAC?
post #1061 of 1383
I use ps3 media server as I already had it installed for my ps3 and the 1222 sees it just fine. I stream flac 16 and flac 24 with it and it reports expected bitrat
post #1062 of 1383
Finally I receive my 1222k replacement.Now if I only want watch tv and not use the receiver how I do this?And also when I turn off the receiver my tv turn off I need a special setting for this too.Any help welcome,thanks in advance.
post #1063 of 1383
Just wanted to let every one know that the guy who made the alternative remote app has dropped support. Hoping some else will take up the open slot in the market.
post #1064 of 1383
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Originally Posted by alexisd View Post

Finally I receive my 1222k replacement.Now if I only want watch tv and not use the receiver how I do this?

It is called HDMI standby through. You can configure it to either last HDMI input, specific HDMI input or you can even use the remote to switch inputs. See your manual page 59.
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And also when I turn off the receiver my tv turn off I need a special setting for this too.Any help welcome,thanks in advance.
You need to turn off HDMI CEC control or disable auto power off via CEC at the TV's settings.
post #1065 of 1383
This is crazy my new replacement die too,maybe a lightning or something happen.I cant even reset the unit,now I have the front mcacc ligths flashing and the FL off lights next to it in constand flashing mode in the front panel .I unplug the receiver and still flashing,i plug my denon in the same outlet and work great.I think this unit is too sensitive to power outrage or some type of problems with the power supply.I have my Home theater over 12 yrs and never have a problem until I upgrade to this receiver.Hope maybe I can get my money back from pioneer.
Edited by alexisd - 7/14/13 at 7:50am
post #1066 of 1383
Hello everyone. I've been looking these forums for the past few days and finally decided to get this receiver from Newegg. I picked it up yesterday (I live close to one of their distribution centers) but I ordered speakers from Amazon that wont arrive until monday so I haven't plugged the receiver in, I just hooked up all of the speaker cables. Is it save to turn it on without anything plugged in? I think I want to update the firmware before the speakers arrive so I'm good to go.

Also, I'm planning on hooking up my laptop to the receiver via HDMI and play my music from there, but would I get better sound quality if I set up a server and let the receiver itself play my audio files? Or will that depend on my laptop's audio capabilitites?

Lastly, and most importantly, I have a Kindle Fire HD and the iControlav2012 is no available from the Amazon App store and I can't get it from GooglePlay. I know how to side load programs but I can't find a place to get the program other than GooglePlay anywhere. I've searched and searched and nothing. Anyone know where I could get it from?

Thanks!
post #1067 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Senkoy View Post

Hello everyone. I've been looking these forums for the past few days and finally decided to get this receiver from Newegg. I picked it up yesterday (I live close to one of their distribution centers) but I ordered speakers from Amazon that wont arrive until monday so I haven't plugged the receiver in, I just hooked up all of the speaker cables. Is it save to turn it on without anything plugged in? I think I want to update the firmware before the speakers arrive so I'm good to go.

Also, I'm planning on hooking up my laptop to the receiver via HDMI and play my music from there, but would I get better sound quality if I set up a server and let the receiver itself play my audio files? Or will that depend on my laptop's audio capabilitites?

Lastly, and most importantly, I have a Kindle Fire HD and the iControlav2012 is no available from the Amazon App store and I can't get it from GooglePlay. I know how to side load programs but I can't find a place to get the program other than GooglePlay anywhere. I've searched and searched and nothing. Anyone know where I could get it from?

Thanks!

If you want to use the laptop as the control interface or if you want to play video from the laptop then use HDMI. Otherwise you can just stream it. The quality should be the same for audio either way.

There are also a couple ways to stream from a PC. There is an airplay server for PC to redirect all audio to a set of airplay speakers. There is iTunes for the PC.

Sorry not sure about the best way to use a kindle.
Salem
post #1068 of 1383
^Okay, thank you.

And if anyone else is wondering where to get the app from somewhere else other than Googleplay, I was finally able to find it.

http://mobile.brothersoft.com/icontrolav2012-download-928356.html

Then you can just save it from your PC to your kindle and open it with ES file explorer. You can instal the app through there if you enable the Kindle to do so.
post #1069 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Senkoy View Post

^Okay, thank you.

And if anyone else is wondering where to get the app from somewhere else other than Googleplay, I was finally able to find it.

http://mobile.brothersoft.com/icontrolav2012-download-928356.html

Then you can just save it from your PC to your kindle and open it with ES file explorer. You can instal the app through there if you enable the Kindle to do so.
Be aware with Airplay! I have been an Apple person since the late 80's and to date only use Apple gear with none of the incidents I have with another Airplay gear as I have with the 1222. I am getting the Harmony 900 RF remote so that I can remotely control volume and my music source and go back to the direct connection I have been using for years. With the 1222K Airplay has been a nightmare and Pioneer doesn't really seem to care. Another partial or haphazard implementation of a feature. To date its lack of "smooth" interaction fried my Bose (God Rest His Soul) sub with internal X-Over that I use on one of my patios when the volume shot to max on it's own while changing songs. In taking so long for the unit to respond to me try to pause the song so I could see what happened, that was enough time to take out the protection and the two drivers in the sub. Am getting them re-coned as I type. Pioneer first said, "they are not responsible for any damage along those lines" and "that has been known to happen". WHAT?! My guys at Apple have "nudge, nudged, wink, winked", about using Airplay with Pioneer gear. Plus the audio quality is no where near as good as a direct connection. It's OK though, but . . .

This unit has been the worst Pioneer experience. I loved my original VSX-9300 and its successor my VSX-D909S. If it only came in an HDMI with current codec model. I am now having serious doubts about Pioneer. Their DJ gear is still pretty good. But then that's for now.

UPDATE:
Got the sub back from the shop and am now using a direct line from my Mac tower to the 1222 and a MBP with Screen Sharing to control the tower. WOW! what a difference in sound quality. It's far richer and fuller than what I get from AirPlay. I have never heard of quality issues with AirPlay, so I am surprised and disappointing at this and will be watching future installs to see where the problem may be. It could be anything, because Pandora sounds pretty good, better than AirPlay. So . . .
Edited by FarmerBob - 7/21/13 at 6:33pm
post #1070 of 1383
Sorry to hear you had to go through that FarmerBob. I don't have any apple devices, I'm just using the android version of iControlAV2012, and the volume to max thing is certainly a concern. I set a max volume, but it's pretty high, I definitely don't want that to happen. I'm probably just going to stick to using it for Pandora so I don't have to turn the computer on.
post #1071 of 1383
I love airPlay. Unfortunately the Pioneer airplay is just too limited. No zone2/3, can't directly select, tweaky volume, etc.
So I spent the $99 and got an appleTv3: airPlay video, airPlay mirroring, nice looking audio/video sources from my iPad -
Sirius's app is REALLY nice (start at beginning of songs, pause, on-demand, list what every favorite station is playing, and a pandora-style mode)
And I am happy to change volume with the Pioneer app and not scare everyone in the house (or blow-up equipment).
Don't look for a receiver with airPlay - just buy the appleTv (because you want video). It is easy to convert my "home movies" to mp4, store them in iTunes on a PC,
share them with appleTv, then play them through the SC-1222.
post #1072 of 1383
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Originally Posted by EricPOlson View Post

I love airPlay. Unfortunately the Pioneer airplay is just too limited. No zone2/3, can't directly select, tweaky volume, etc.
So I spent the $99 and got an appleTv3: airPlay video, airPlay mirroring, nice looking audio/video sources from my iPad -
Sirius's app is REALLY nice (start at beginning of songs, pause, on-demand, list what every favorite station is playing, and a pandora-style mode)
And I am happy to change volume with the Pioneer app and not scare everyone in the house (or blow-up equipment).
Don't look for a receiver with airPlay - just buy the appleTv (because you want video). It is easy to convert my "home movies" to mp4, store them in iTunes on a PC,
share them with appleTv, then play them through the SC-1222.

I use airplay with my SC-1522-K all the time with the iControAV2012 app. I can control everything with it. I can access my PC music shares, Pandora, and I can use iTunes music from my PC, laptop, iPhones and iPads and use airplay to play them to the AVR. I don't use any of the Zones yet.

For ripped movies I use Dune media players. Apple TV is too limited with BD file formats.
post #1073 of 1383
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Originally Posted by EricPOlson View Post

I love airPlay. Unfortunately the Pioneer airplay is just too limited. No zone2/3, can't directly select, tweaky volume, etc.
So I spent the $99 and got an appleTv3: airPlay video, airPlay mirroring, nice looking audio/video sources from my iPad -
Sirius's app is REALLY nice (start at beginning of songs, pause, on-demand, list what every favorite station is playing, and a pandora-style mode)
And I am happy to change volume with the Pioneer app and not scare everyone in the house (or blow-up equipment).
Don't look for a receiver with airPlay - just buy the appleTv (because you want video). It is easy to convert my "home movies" to mp4, store them in iTunes on a PC,
share them with appleTv, then play them through the SC-1222.

I use airplay all the time with mine. The volume is jumpy but the convenience is awesome! On my phone I select the reciever as the airplay speaker, the reciever turns itself on. I stop playing and after 30 mins it turns itself off.

If I need fine control I can still use the pioneer app while airplay is running.
Salem
post #1074 of 1383
I've been working with the Polk user thread to pick out speakers, but think it is time to drop a note with you guys for some advice!

I am looking at the follow speakers:

Front
Polk RTi8

Center
Polk CSi5

Surround
Polk RTiA1

Sub
Outlaw Audio LFM-1

I was planning on getting the Pioneer SC-1222-K to feed all of this until I add an external amp down the road. From what I have read, the D3 amp that the 1222 uses is great. I came across the Pioneer VSX-1123-K today and really like the 4k capabilities it has, and though it only has pre-outs for the front 2 channels versus the 7 on the 1222, that is really all I need for my setup. Is the D3 amp worth passing on the 4k capabilities?
post #1075 of 1383
Here is my 2ct on 4k: we are at least 5 years away from having 4k content. And even then you will need a huge screen to see the difference.

Don't get me wrong I want it! But only for my projector on a 120" screen smile.gif. And the technology is in its infancy. My guess us any reciever you buy today you will want to update when 4k reaches consumer level.

I love the D3 amps too. They sounds great and are very efficient. I have mine in my closet. And listening to movies loud it only consumes 70w or so.

Salem
post #1076 of 1383
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Originally Posted by eyekode View Post

Here is my 2ct on 4k: we are at least 5 years away from having 4k content. And even then you will need a huge screen to see the difference.

Don't get me wrong I want it! But only for my projector on a 120" screen smile.gif. And the technology is in its infancy. My guess us any reciever you buy today you will want to update when 4k reaches consumer level.

I love the D3 amps too. They sounds great and are very efficient. I have mine in my closet. And listening to movies loud it only consumes 70w or so.

Salem

That seems to be the consensus in the Polk thread as well. I guess I'm gonna go that route. Thanks!
post #1077 of 1383
+1 on what he said. I had polks and upgraded to jbls (m50s, cs1, r300s to the now hard to find studio 1 series) and that was a big difference on a vsx 1122. Then I got the sc 1222 and it was still an upgrade in sound. More detail and at higher volume etc. But one of the main reasons to stick with the higher end amps is the lack of controls on the front panel. The vsx could not change track or navigate the menu so if you lost the remote that was it. With the sc1222 you get 90 of what the remote can do including switching tracks/folders the full audio and video menu and even the main menu. Plus the flip down cover looks shoot sleeker IMHO.
post #1078 of 1383
I was also thinking if I wanted to pass up 4k or not since I was certain I was going to buy a 4k TV (I personally think they're 3 years away) and I knew I was going to buy one well before I was willing to replace this receiver. I was really torn, but then I figured I could always use a 4k HDMI splitter to send one signal directly to the TV and another to the receiver, problem solved. Then i learned about ARC and that makes it so you don't even need a splitter. These 4k tvs in a few years will most likely support it and you will most likely be able to send all of the audio codecs from the TV to the receiver via HDMI. No need for 4k passthrough. Upscaling is useless too since 4k TVs will have their own upscaling capabilities which will most likely be vastly superior to that of any receiver of today.

So yeah, I'm glad I went with this receiver and didn't get the other one I was considering just because of the 4k capabilities.
post #1079 of 1383
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Originally Posted by scoobdude View Post

+1 on what he said. I had polks and upgraded to jbls (m50s, cs1, r300s to the now hard to find studio 1 series) and that was a big difference on a vsx 1122. Then I got the sc 1222 and it was still an upgrade in sound. More detail and at higher volume etc. But one of the main reasons to stick with the higher end amps is the lack of controls on the front panel. The vsx could not change track or navigate the menu so if you lost the remote that was it. With the sc1222 you get 90 of what the remote can do including switching tracks/folders the full audio and video menu and even the main menu. Plus the flip down cover looks shoot sleeker IMHO.

I went ahead and ordered the 1222!
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Originally Posted by Senkoy View Post

I was also thinking if I wanted to pass up 4k or not since I was certain I was going to buy a 4k TV (I personally think they're 3 years away) and I knew I was going to buy one well before I was willing to replace this receiver. I was really torn, but then I figured I could always use a 4k HDMI splitter to send one signal directly to the TV and another to the receiver, problem solved. Then i learned about ARC and that makes it so you don't even need a splitter. These 4k tvs in a few years will most likely support it and you will most likely be able to send all of the audio codecs from the TV to the receiver via HDMI. No need for 4k passthrough. Upscaling is useless too since 4k TVs will have their own upscaling capabilities which will most likely be vastly superior to that of any receiver of today.

So yeah, I'm glad I went with this receiver and didn't get the other one I was considering just because of the 4k capabilities.

Very good points.
post #1080 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Senkoy View Post

I was also thinking if I wanted to pass up 4k or not since I was certain I was going to buy a 4k TV (I personally think they're 3 years away) and I knew I was going to buy one well before I was willing to replace this receiver. I was really torn, but then I figured I could always use a 4k HDMI splitter to send one signal directly to the TV and another to the receiver, problem solved. Then i learned about ARC and that makes it so you don't even need a splitter. These 4k tvs in a few years will most likely support it and you will most likely be able to send all of the audio codecs from the TV to the receiver via HDMI. No need for 4k passthrough. Upscaling is useless too since 4k TVs will have their own upscaling capabilities which will most likely be vastly superior to that of any receiver of today.

So yeah, I'm glad I went with this receiver and didn't get the other one I was considering just because of the 4k capabilities.

4K will a long way to go before it will be popular. There are a few things you need to consider:
1. Current HDMI spec will only support 4k video at 30fps max, not a big problem for watching movie (most are 24fps) but if you want to hook a PC to it, it will be quite limiting. There will be certainly a new HDMI spec to support 4K TVs that no current or immediate future receivers will support.
2. ARC will not carry all kinds of audio codecs from external sources. Currently, it is limited to TV's own internal source like tuner or streaming apps. External sources will be stereo only due to HDMI handshake issue. And I'm not sure if it will let you pass back to ARC channel or not. Most likely won't. So, don't expect ARC will save you in any way.

Didn't realize 1222 doesn't support 4K pass-through. The 1522 I had does support pass-through.
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