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If I set up the ps3 to linear it show PCM on the receiver display but no dialog come from the movie. Now if I set up bistream in the ps3 I have dialog but no PCM in the receiver display no even the option to pcm.
Also when I check under the receiver inputs settings the BD hdmi got nothing is grey out.
Edited by alexisd - 10/26/13 at 10:35am
post #1202 of 1383
Just purchased my 1222k from Amazon for $499. Got the Squaretrade warranty with it as well so I should be good. can't wait to hook everything up and calibrate.
post #1203 of 1383
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Just purchased my 1222k from Amazon for $499. Got the Squaretrade warranty with it as well so I should be good. can't wait to hook everything up and calibrate.

Congrats. That's an awesome AVR. I used to own one.
post #1204 of 1383
I reset the receiver and now everything work, weird but work.maybe a bad handshake with the ps3.
post #1205 of 1383
OK guys, here goes nothing! I have had this reciever for about 2-3 months now and I am loving it! However I have something going on now that concerns me.

Every now and then while watching a movie or TV via HDMI on the Pioneer, I will get a video blackout for about two seconds. Video just goes out and then comes right back. No effect to the Audio at all. Just a quick interuption of video. I am using a Panasonic PT-ar100u projector and have it hooked directly to my reciever's HDMI out, while my XFinity X1 and PS3 are both hooked up to the HDMI hub on the reciever as well. This issues seems to be happening with both connections/devices (PS3 & X1). Anyone else having this problem? I plan on removing the AVR from the equation to see if it is in fact the Pioneer causing it. Could be a handshake issue, problem with the HDMI hub, not sure but I will report back unless someone else on here has already seen and remedied the issue. Before I go back and start moving connections around, I was hoping someone would chime in.

Thanks in advance and this thread has been extremely helpful in my decision making process. My only issue now aside from the brief video interuption, is that I do not have 12V triggers, which I knew already and I will be getting an amp for my fron two channels or possibly a 3 channel for the front sound stage.

I have read some of the alternatives to powering up my external amps without the 12V triggers but can someone either point me in the direction of a one step solution or explain how IN DETAIL I can go about doing it the hard way.

Thanks again!
post #1206 of 1383
I use a power switch like this to turn on my BFD and power amp for my sub.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0006PUDQK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1383263732&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
It works pretty good. Every once in a while it fails to turn off the amp. But that hasn't happened for months.
Good luck!
Salem
Edited by eyekode - 10/31/13 at 5:36pm
post #1207 of 1383
I notice sometimes in the Sony network menu there looks to be some sort of interference. Almost like static, but when I play a movie it goes away. The bluray player is the Sony 5100. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #1208 of 1383
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Originally Posted by eyekode View Post

I use a power switch like this to turn on my BFD and power amp for my sub.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0006PUDQK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1383263732&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
It works pretty good. Every once in a while it fails to turn off the amp. But that hasn't happened for months.
Good luck!
Salem

I'm using basically the same thing that I got at RadioShack in the early 90's. It's a little simpler cast from aluminum for use in an industrial rack, but was a prosumer item and has worked like a dream since. I use mine to control two ADCOM GFA-1A's and the other unswitched outlet (filtered and surge protected) is my DLP. So the big three are covered: AVR, DLP & the Subs. The rest of the gear is off conditioning and surge protected power blocks. The one thing that I really like about it is that it has a power load sensitivity control that with a minor amount of "tuning" you can make it work with any control device. Since idle power draw can vary. It's good to know that they still have these. But the one you show I looked at the graphics on it and it seems a bit confusing, if not questionable quality manufacture. The reason that RadioShack stopped making theirs was a couple caught fire. That was enough to kill the whole product line and no fix to bring them back. Too bad, this is a great piece of gear and I only have 4 of them stashed away. Future proofing. Now if I could only remember where I put them?

Mine is below. It's kinda dusty. The maid won't dust behind the equipment racks. She's afraid she gonna get "electrocuted". Guess that's what I'll be doing tomorrow.

post #1209 of 1383
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

I notice sometimes in the Sony network menu there looks to be some sort of interference. Almost like static, but when I play a movie it goes away. The bluray player is the Sony 5100. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Anyone? could this possible be on the Pioneer side?

Also, how do i get in to the video processing options?
Edited by mijotter - 11/3/13 at 1:40am
post #1210 of 1383
^^
read your manual, on page 12 with link to full descriptions & options - button on the remote.
Edited by ss9001 - 11/3/13 at 7:54am
post #1211 of 1383
Mine has sensitivity adjustment too. And yeah you probably should clean that thing smile.gif.
post #1212 of 1383
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Originally Posted by eyekode View Post

Mine has sensitivity adjustment too. And yeah you probably should clean that thing smile.gif.

Cleaned:



Every 6 months or when I add a new piece of gear I tear the rack apart and clean, arrange and replace wires and it's just about six months. But I just put in 4K Color Coded HDMI. Think I'll wait. It takes about 12 hours. I showed the maid that it was easy to get to and that she wouldn't get electrocuted. I told her it would just make her hair curly like mine. She laughed and said to do it myself. So there ya have it.
post #1213 of 1383
Just purchased my 1222k from Amazon for $499.

Great price. 549 looks to be the lowest on Amazon now.
post #1214 of 1383
The 1222 has NO OSD? Really? Setup all through the display on the front of the receiver? vTUNER channels, etc., all through the panel display? No network access to the rcvr for setup?

I find it hard to believe no OSD even at the sale price point. Just picked up an Onkyo 626 for 449 and it has a great OSD. Great unit as well for price point and it includes phono.

I had a Pioneer 1115 for some time and really wanted to get back to Pioneer and the 1222. Love the door on the front.

But no OSD??????


So now I'm thoroughly confused. Seems like it does have OSD and GUI but maybe some TV's won't show the volume level correctly?
Edited by jsmiddleton4 - 11/4/13 at 5:21am
post #1215 of 1383

How about reading the manual:

Owner's Manual

post #1216 of 1383

I just upgraded my VSX-1020 to an SC-1222. As a long-time user of Room EQ Wizard (REW), I'm surprised I haven't seen any reference to it on this thread, especially after my recent measurements.

All the graphs below use 1/6 smoothing, Pioneer fronts and two subs.

This is the frequency response on "stereo":

 

 

 

But look what happens with PLll movie or game:

 

 

PLll music:

 

 

Neo 6: Cinema:

 

 

Neo 6: Music:

 

 

 

Which suggests that, FOR MY PARTICULAR SETUP, the processing that does the least damage to a stereo signal is Neo 6: Music.

Of more of a concern is just how much the other signal processing settings affect the frequency response, quite adversely.

Of course, YMMV, and I would be curious to see the results from other SC-1222 owners using REW (I know you're out there).

Michael

post #1217 of 1383
Thanks Lastbutnotleast. I'm asking users who are posting here and their posts indicate my questions are valid.

Or is that some kind of violation of a user based forum in your mind and I need to be told to RTFM?
post #1218 of 1383

Yes, there is an OSD (for AVR setup); no, it doesn't display the volume on the TV when you change it on the AVR.

As you've been told.

Certainly no violation, I'm just wondering why you're still confused.

BTW, though I was tempted ;), I didn't just say "RTFM," I went to the trouble of finding it for you and providing the link.

And will be happy to continue to help if I can.

Michael


Edited by LastButNotLeast - 11/4/13 at 9:57am
post #1219 of 1383
"As you've been told."

Gotta get your shot in there hey Last....

No one has told me anything which is why I'm asking USERS of this product my question. I read through the posts on this thread sir. Imagine that. A user who actually read through the threads......

Thanks for your information however.

Looks like as long as over 500 probably not going to be the value that drives a purchase decision. Funny how that works. Sure wish I woulda been looking a few months ago and had seen the 1522 thing at CostCo. Man, that was a real deal.

Have the Onkyo 626. Seen the 727 in the 500 range and between it and the 1222 in the same price range would go with the Onkyo 727. The 626 for 449 is also a great deal. The 626 is impressive and has phono inputs.

If the 1222 drops into the 470-90 range with free shipping on Amazon it would be my choice.

For now just waiting a bit to see what prices do as we head towards Thanksgiving.

Dang that 1522 deal.......
post #1220 of 1383
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Originally Posted by jsmiddleton4 View Post

Dang that 1522 deal.......

Yeah, I missed that one, too. :(

Also the 1222 deal (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1482485/pioneer-sc-1222-k-7-2-receiver-469-99-costco-ymmv). :mad:

But I was able to get an "open box" from Amazon (technically, via Amazon), for <$400.

And I'm very happy with it.

Good luck in your search.

Michael

post #1221 of 1383
Keeping my Denon 3808 is starting to come at a price. Dual HDMI while not prohibitive is adding to over all cost as well as complexity. Would be much easier all the way around to have newer receiver. Prices down in reasonable range for 4K capable units as well. Might be time to move up the food chain.
post #1222 of 1383
Can the 1222 pass 1080p/24fps out of box? Or is it a certain setting.
post #1223 of 1383
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Can the 1222 pass 1080p/24fps out of box? Or is it a certain setting.

I have seen 1080/24 being passed fine. But I have video processing turned off.
Salem
post #1224 of 1383
Hi I am running SC1222K. I did the subwoofer mod. My dialogue volume is low. I can get it right through the ipad app, where I enhance the dialogue all the way. Any idea what this setting is doing? Is it just boosting the center channel or messing with the EQ curve. Any idea how I can achieve this to boost just the dialogue. Thanks.
post #1225 of 1383
Does anyone know if you can run dolby PLIIZ, and use the preamp outs in the back to a stereo amp and power surround rears to have a 9.2 setup? The dolby website says PLIIZ supports 9.1, but didn't know if this receiver will do that.
post #1226 of 1383
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Originally Posted by CaptJosh View Post

Does anyone know if you can run dolby PLIIZ, and use the preamp outs in the back to a stereo amp and power surround rears to have a 9.2 setup? The dolby website says PLIIZ supports 9.1, but didn't know if this receiver will do that.

That would be a no.
post #1227 of 1383
Well, that sucks, but I kinda figured that would be the answer. Was looking for something interesting to do with an extra receiver I had. Thanks for the reply, it saved me wasting some time.
post #1228 of 1383
Hi all! New here and I have just bought a pioneer 1222. I love it but my subwoofer doesn't seem to rattle my windows.. I messages javgronx for his tweaks but, it looks like he hasn't been on since July. Can anyone help?
post #1229 of 1383
Hey Guys,

Interesting issue with my new receiver. At certain loud scenes the receiver just shuts off. Not hot or anything.
The iPod light blinks....looking that up....Amp Error or something along those lines.

All my cables are using banana plugs except for the ones hooked up into the EP4000.
I checked all the plugs and none are touching each other as far as i can tell. I'm not seeing any lose unshielded wires off doing their own thing.
Anything else that may cause this error?

Thanks
Urlryn
post #1230 of 1383

Ok guys I have some thoughts on this unit. I would also appreciate some feedback to help me out.

 

I originally purchased an Onkyo 626 couple of weeks ago but subsequently saw the SC-1227k on sale at best buy canada for $599 (same price as Onkyo) so I picked it up. As a result I have now both receivers to do a head to head with.

 

First of all the Pioneer is a beast and looks beautiful. I love the look and size as well as all the features it has. This post is not going to be about feature comparison as we all know what they are between the two receivers.

 

Looks not withstanding this is going to be about the sound. My reference material was Eagles Hotel California HD lossless FLAC for music and Bat Man Begins (specifically the tumbler chase sequence). Both receivers on default settings after auto calibration. On Pioneer I tried both Symmetry and Chan Adj modes.

 

My Speakers are the KEF T 305 which I love for both looks and sound. Having first tried the Onkyo I was impressed with the detail and imaging of the sound. At that point I was happy as I had nothing to compare it to and was over all satisfied with the sound. The bass was punchy and tight, the localization of effects was great and plenty of power. What really impressed me was the broad sound stage it created and the detail of the sound. 

 

I tried music and found the Onkyo to be clean and pleasant but with an over all edge. I wouldn't call it "bright" but a little edgey - tight bass and clean vocals, adequate sound stage.

 

 

Ok Pioneer turn. Needless to say I was super excited when I picked up the Pioneer as I heard great things about the D class amp and the power, I couldn't wait to plug it in. What a gorgeous beast this receiver is.

 

I first tried Batman Begins - same tumbler chase sequence I was very familiar with from the Onkyo as I watched it several time and had a good reference point. First impression - deep muscular powerful sound - I punched up the volume and the receiver kept composure at levels beyond that of the Onkyo (I would never watch at that volume however, this was just a test) Ok so the thing has power, lots of it. The room shook from the bass and everything "seemed" to be going well - I am impressed.  Ok this is where things start going sideways for me with the Pioneer. As I continue to watch sequence I am beginning to notice that the Bass is not as tight. Sure it's loud, and it shakes my livingroom but it's lacking "punch"  I ran the sequence a few times to get familiar with the sound and back to Onkyo for another comparison.

 

Immediately I now hear a much greater sound stage - it's as if the Onkyo is able to create greater channel separation and movement of the effects. The Bass is also a lot punchier. Where the Pioneer offered power and rumble, the Onkyo is able to produce a much tighter and more impact-full base response. Dialogue is also louder and cleaner. The sound seems smoother and less fatiguing. But the biggest thing I notice is the detail of the sound compared to that of the Pioneer creating a more immersive and seamless sound-stage. 

 

At this point I'm thinking this cannot be right - look at that beast that is the pioneer with it's D class amps, surely I am imagining things. Back I go to pioneer - again BIG SOUND but lacking the detail, punchy clear bass and channel separation/movement. 

 

I obsessively fiddled with all the settings and calibrations to try and get this receiver to sound better to no avail. I am especially curious about the way the DACS might differ in the two receivers as I find the 5.1 experience significantly better on the Onkyo. Going back from on to the other is almost night and day in terms of seamless sound that sounds just "right" vs the muscular but almost crude sound of the pioneer.

 

For music however the Pioneer is a clear winner here. It's as if the strengths of Onkyo completely disappear when moving to two channel sound and what was a weakness of the Pioneer now shines providing a powerful smooth and nuanced sound. 

 

Final thoughts and questions. Is it possible that Onkyo simply has superior sound processing for multi channel soundtracks? And for Pioneer, as good as the amp is, its failure lies the processing?

 

I have no other explanation as I tried all various settings to get the Pioneer to the same level as the Onkyo. I would love some feedback as I want to keep the Pioneer for various reasons, but as it stands I have no choice but to keep it off my shelf. My return deadline is Jan 5th so I will probably still give it a go again but after at least 6 or 7 swap outs/tests the differences in my setup are undeniable in favor of the Onkyo. 

 

What you guys think? 

 

P.S I am not an Onkyo fan boy and this is my first Onkyo. I really want to love and keep this Pioneer - HELP!

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