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post #211 of 894
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Originally Posted by DJDeez View Post

The lack of 12v triggers was not enough to make me purchase the 61 over the 1222, especially at New Egg's price! I have external amps which I need to switch on with the receiver, so the lack of a switched outlet or 12v triggers is a bummer for me. I tried a number of things to get around this without success, so I turned to a 'smart' power strip.

This product DID NOT WORK as the auto-on sensitivity was hard wired way too high. Rocketfish 8 Outlet Strip

This product WORKED PERFECTLY as I could tune the auto-on sensitivity to match the 1222's current draw when off. Smart Strip SCG3

Hope this information helps someone else out!

-Mike

You can also add the Belkin Smart Conserve to the list of smart power strips that do NOT work with this receiver. I tested it with other equipment (old onkyo receiver in my garage) and it works as expected but when I plugged the sc-1222 in , the switched outlets were always on, regardless if the receiver was in standby or not. Before I pull the trigger on the SCG3, do you know if turning on zone 2 or 3 with the main zone off is enough to enable the switched ports on the SCG3? I'm assuming you can dial that in such that any current above standby triggers.
post #212 of 894
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Originally Posted by LNEWoLF View Post

Myself i have a different take on some of this. I don't worry too much about what individual speaker settings MCACC arrived at. I lean more toward trying/trusting the end results of the MCACC calibration. I haven't seen any documentation in any of the Pioneer forums on AVS from Pioneer as to what exactly MCACC does. I don't think we will ever fully know as i am sure this is proprietary info. I would have to believe that the Engineers spent countless hours. Testing various speakers and configurations upon fine tuning MCACC. When you listen to the test tones and review the data. MCACC is testing each speaker at various frequencies. To determine what each speaker is capable of producing. Including the sub. Each room configuration is unique. Shape of room, ceiling height, overall size of room, types of flooring, soft hard surfaces, size of furniture/placement, etc. Each one of these has a profound effect on the calibration. Who knows what other hidden settings it is adjusting. For me, i didn't make any adjustments to its settings I could see. It set all my speakers to large and the crossover at 80 Hz. The only thing I did was listened to end results in each of the DSP modes over several days. For me I found thabt while listening to music in Dolby Pro Logic II Music mode sounded most goodest to my ears. Sound quality is personal. Millage may vary. But what makes this AVR, is that you can adjust many settings to your personal tastes. Using parts of the MCACC results.

Im just suggesting to try/trust MCACC Initial settings. In reading most of the pioneer threads of the various AVR models on AVS. How many, are so quick, after running the MCACC calibration. To adjust speakers from large to small and set cross over to 80 Hz. I know that is what we all use to do. Just saying give MCACC a chance over a couple of days and see what ya think. Im listening right now to Albert King, ill play the blues for you. It sounds very clear, crisp, the bass is pronounced and tight, the overall sonic sound stage is excellent. Definitely a noticeable improvement from my old AVR and me adjusting the speaker levels with a spl meter.

Interesting. I did adjust speaker size and xover per manufacturer instructions post MCACC.

MCACC selected large for all speakers and an xover of 80hz. My fronts are true full range speakers, so no problem.

The center / surrounds specs say they are good to 55hz but the manufacturer says to set them as small with xover at 100hz - so that's what I did.

When I get off here I think I'll run MCACC again and do as you suggest - just trust it - and see what I think of the results. Thanks for the suggestion.
post #213 of 894
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Originally Posted by happy2Lurk View Post

Interesting. I did adjust speaker size and xover per manufacturer instructions post MCACC.

MCACC selected large for all speakers and an xover of 80hz. My fronts are true full range speakers, so no problem.

The center / surrounds specs say they are good to 55hz but the manufacturer says to set them as small with xover at 100hz - so that's what I did.

When I get off here I think I'll run MCACC again and do as you suggest - just trust it - and see what I think of the results. Thanks for the suggestion.

I would just set them all to Small and xover at 80hz. Even if your speakers can extend pretty low, if you have a sub, there is no need.
post #214 of 894
I look at it this way. At the time when your speakers were made. That was the current recommendation. Myself I just figure try out the current AVR technology. The advantage with this AVR is you can always make adjustment to your liking. Good luck.....
post #215 of 894
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Originally Posted by GaryWA View Post

I would just set them all to Small and xover at 80hz. Even if your speakers can extend pretty low, if you have a sub, there is no need.

No sub - off for my LNEWoLF - MCACC trust fall.
post #216 of 894
Thats what I'm talking about Gary. I understand, thats how I was taught. All speakers set to small, crossover at 80hz. To me I believe theres more going on with MCACC calibration then we know/understand......Why not try/trust MCACC?.....
post #217 of 894
No sub output. What was your test signal input source (bluray?.)
post #218 of 894
Wolf,

My front speakers were also set to "Large" and though they COULD reproduce almost all the frequencies, I decided to let it off the hook @ 80hz. The reason is twofold. The first is bass cancellation. The second is I just want to take the load off my receiver, and since my sub is a powered sub, I could let it reproduce those frequencies a lot better than my front's could.
post #219 of 894
After missing out on the close out of the 1121k last year, I ordered the 1222k last week from NE. This guy is replacing a vsx 816 and I have been enjoying the heck out of the power and features. I love how when going from stereo to multichannel the power does dissipate across but rather adds to it.
I'm driving infinity primus 363fronts, 351center, 251 surrounds and a Bose AMIII for rear surrounds( soon to be replaced with some primus bookshelves next time crutchfield puts them on sale) and the sound for music AND movies is incredible...full and detailed at low volume and just powerful turned up.
I spent the weekend digging through music testing different stuff during he day and watching blu rays at night.

I need to iron out some standby and hdmi-cec stuff as it is currently turning on with my tv/direct tv box. I also need to get the media server working as I have several 24 bit flac recordings .
Reading this forum helped me get through a lot of the pitfalls of the set up I firmware update, pandora set up..etc
post #220 of 894
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Originally Posted by BAMAVADER View Post

I have had the SC-1222 for the last two months and really love it. Movies and music have been great. I have noticed one problem with my Comcast motorola cable box hooked up to the SC-1222 through an optical cable on the Pioneer SC-1222's TV optical input. On occasion I have noticed after a while of being on that when changing cable channels on a 5.1 channel that the speaker layout stays on the Pioneer display and doesnt change to two channel. I am using a 7.1 speaker set up and always use PLIIx Movies. The only way to get it back is to change the input on the receiver or tv and then change back and it goes back to normal. It is like it is having a handshake issue with the cable optical audio out sometimes. I have changed optical cables and it did the same. This doesnt always happen but I have noticed it a handful of times and seems to happen after watching one channel for a long period of time. No other problems except this. Has anyone else had this happen? I wonder if I changed to Digital Coax out (cable box) and In(Pioneer SC-1222) would it prevent this or does anyone know another fix? Thanks...

I do not have that issue, since I use the HDMI interface between the comcast cablebox and the SC-1222K.

Regards
post #221 of 894
I have the canadian model 1227k and ive noticed that in the MCACC theres a thx speaker setting. Couldnt you just set it on thx speakers,that puts all your speakers to 80 hz automatically and then do the MCACC. wouldnt that be way easier ?
post #222 of 894
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Originally Posted by supra_87t View Post

I have the canadian model 1227k and ive noticed that in the MCACC theres a thx speaker setting. Couldnt you just set it on thx speakers,that puts all your speakers to 80 hz automatically and then do the MCACC. wouldnt that be way easier ?

This is what I ended up doing, sc1222k, since everytime I would manually set all speakers to small and then run mcacc it would switch them to large. I also noticed very little output from my sub even when I went back and changed them to small. When I did the thx selection, it calibrated them all as small and I get much more output from the sub.
post #223 of 894
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While using HDMI pass through, i am getting sound and video from my dish network input, but only video from my PS3. They both are connected to my receiver with HDMI cable. I think I was getting sound and video both from my PS3 also. I must have changed some setting accidentally and now don't know how to fix it.

Any suggestions?

I'm at work right now but going by my memory, I think there is an option as to which input you want the HDMI pass-through to work for. So mine is set to the HDMI input that my cable box is hooked into. With this set-up, you'll only get audio and video from cable box to TV and audio will not pass-through TV when using the PS3 in HDMI pass-through mode. May be able to get around this if you connect optical cable to TV from PS3 for audio.
post #224 of 894
A minor thing, but thought I'd ask anyway, is the power button supposed to be lit when unit is in stand-by mode. Right now the only light I see when unit is off is a red light for HDMI which I'm assuming indicates HDMI pass-through mode.
post #225 of 894
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Originally Posted by DonnerParty View Post

This is what I ended up doing, sc1222k, since everytime I would manually set all speakers to small and then run mcacc it would switch them to large. I also noticed very little output from my sub even when I went back and changed them to small. When I did the thx selection, it calibrated them all as small and I get much more output from the sub.

Just did the initial mcacc setup and ran into the same problem.Mysub output was nil to none. Glad I checked out the forums and I'm going to redo mcacc as thx. Thanks!!
post #226 of 894
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Originally Posted by benfica1 View Post

A minor thing, but thought I'd ask anyway, is the power button supposed to be lit when unit is in stand-by mode. Right now the only light I see when unit is off is a red light for HDMI which I'm assuming indicates HDMI pass-through mode.

Thats how mine works.
post #227 of 894
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Originally Posted by benfica1 View Post

I'm at work right now but going by my memory, I think there is an option as to which input you want the HDMI pass-through to work for. So mine is set to the HDMI input that my cable box is hooked into. With this set-up, you'll only get audio and video from cable box to TV and audio will not pass-through TV when using the PS3 in HDMI pass-through mode. May be able to get around this if you connect optical cable to TV from PS3 for audio.

With this Pioneer you can actually switch HDMI inputs while in standby.

The only thing I can think of in regards to no audio is if the PS3 is outputting bitstream (or PCM, I forget which). Whichever format is already decoded might be able to pass through, but the format that ISNT decoded may require the AVR be fully on (not in standby) to actually decode the audio.
post #228 of 894
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Originally Posted by chrisexv6 View Post

With this Pioneer you can actually switch HDMI inputs while in standby.

The only thing I can think of in regards to no audio is if the PS3 is outputting bitstream (or PCM, I forget which). Whichever format is already decoded might be able to pass through, but the format that ISNT decoded may require the AVR be fully on (not in standby) to actually decode the audio.

That may be the answer. I believe my PS3 is set to output PCM which may then need to be decoded by the AVR when it's on (not in stand-by).
post #229 of 894
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Originally Posted by flexed2death View Post

You can also add the Belkin Smart Conserve to the list of smart power strips that do NOT work with this receiver. I tested it with other equipment (old onkyo receiver in my garage) and it works as expected but when I plugged the sc-1222 in , the switched outlets were always on, regardless if the receiver was in standby or not. Before I pull the trigger on the SCG3, do you know if turning on zone 2 or 3 with the main zone off is enough to enable the switched ports on the SCG3? I'm assuming you can dial that in such that any current above standby triggers.

You are correct, the SCG3 is tunable such that any additional power that running zone 2 or 3 requires will put the net draw above the threshold that you set. One tip, take some time and adjust the threshold SLOWLY, waiting 3-4 seconds between each turn of the adjustment knob. You may have to readjust a few times to get it perfect, turning an incredibly small amount for the final adjustment.

Mine's tuned perfectly now and hasn't had a stay-on or stay-off goof for several months. Recommended product for sure if you need to simulate triggers.

-Mike
post #230 of 894
Upgrading from Onkyo TX706..hdmi board issues...

So what might i be expecting with this upgrade..
Sort of thought i'm going from mid-performance to mid-performance, but perhaps not as i read the specs on 1222..

And, Newegg having this $549 deal is awesome, but i've been stuck on Onkyo for lots of years, their remotes etc...

Can you give me 0.02 on

Remote
Ease of Use (WAF?)
Bugs...(termites)

=====
HSU Hybrid Speakers (w VTF 15 sub)
PS3

music/movies 50/50....like it cranked!

thanks
post #231 of 894
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

Upgrading from Onkyo TX706..hdmi board issues...

So what might i be expecting with this upgrade..
Sort of thought i'm going from mid-performance to mid-performance, but perhaps not as i read the specs on 1222..

And, Newegg having this $549 deal is awesome, but i've been stuck on Onkyo for lots of years, their remotes etc...

Can you give me 0.02 on

Remote
Ease of Use (WAF?)
Bugs...(termites)

=====
HSU Hybrid Speakers (w VTF 15 sub)
PS3

music/movies 50/50....like it cranked!

thanks

Remote kinda sucks, but its not horrible by any means.
Ease of us is good, there is a AUTO MCACC option, so that takes care of your speaker settings.
Only bug I can think of is the firmware update, but it is easily bypassed.
post #232 of 894
As a quick FYI to those still considering a purchase, my 1222 ordered in early February from NE was mfr'd in Malaysia in August of 2012.
post #233 of 894
Regarding the Auto MCACC settings...i have infinity primus towers (p362's) for my front l&r. i plan on setting them to small & 80. What if I want to listen to 2 channel music without the sub? Would I need to go back into the settings & change the to large to get full range?
post #234 of 894
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Originally Posted by tential View Post

On screen volume display would KILL me not to have so I'm glad now I didn't jump on this.
Maybe it's too hasty to conclude that this Pioneer has no on-screen volume display. My SC-1522-K just arrived, and I was surprised to see a display of volume+source pop up on my TV screen when I changed the volume.
post #235 of 894
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Originally Posted by benfica1 View Post

That may be the answer. I believe my PS3 is set to output PCM which may then need to be decoded by the AVR when it's on (not in stand-by).

I think here's what happened in my case. If I was playing a movie with digital sound and turn off the receiver, my TV will only show the video and no audio. If I change the audio to stereo or any other non-digital audio and turn off the receiver, my TV will take care of audio and video both. Looks like if the last audio output was digital the receiver doesn't transfer the audio signal to TV.

I tried this couple of times to verify the behavior. Does this sound right?
post #236 of 894
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Originally Posted by Steve Dodds View Post

Does the Pioneer allow you watch video from one source whilst listening to audio from another. I like to watch cable while listening to music sometimes.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can change the HDMI while listening to music. For example playing music through airplay and then switching to watch satellite/Cable while listening to airplay.
post #237 of 894
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Originally Posted by Steve Dodds View Post

Does the Pioneer allow you watch video from one source whilst listening to audio from another. I like to watch cable while listening to music sometimes.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can change the HDMI while listening to music. For example playing music through airplay and then switching to watch satellite/Cable while listening to airplay.
post #238 of 894
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Originally Posted by goblue1 View Post

Regarding the Auto MCACC settings...i have infinity primus towers (p362's) for my front l&r. i plan on setting them to small & 80. What if I want to listen to 2 channel music without the sub? Would I need to go back into the settings & change the to large to get full range?

You should be able to select just the fronts and set to large and then run mcacc in memory slot 2. I have the same fronts haven't tried that because I liked the sound of just selecting stereo and having the sub come work the bass.. It's also easy to drop the level down a few db if its too boomy.
post #239 of 894
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

Maybe it's too hasty to conclude that this Pioneer has no on-screen volume display. My SC-1522-K just arrived, and I was surprised to see a display of volume+source pop up on my TV screen when I changed the volume.
Hey Greg, plase take some pics of the Gui and post it here. Im seriously in selling my 1222 and get the 1522.
post #240 of 894
BTW-my SC-1222-K arrived today, mfg'd in July@Malaysia. Nice way to start my setup to find out Pioneer uses a non-standard banana plug connection of one inch center to center rather than the standard 3/4 inch which connected perfectly to my Onkyo TX-DS787 dinosaur, so all my 3/4 inch dual banana plugs that had been connected to my now-removed receiver are useless. mad.gif Either I go back to bare wire connections for all speakers or order Monoprice replacements and wait one week. Due to the decent number of negative SC-1222-K reviews here I don't want to waste time waiting for shipment arrival in case I am dissatisfied with this receiver like others and need to return to NewEgg before the 30 day clock expires. I realize bare wire ensures a quality connection but I prefer the banana plugs, so not sure what to do. I never imagined I would be stopped cold in my install/setup so soon on the 1st day.
Edited by DodgerBlue2 - 2/19/13 at 11:01pm
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