"OFFICIAL" Pioneer SC-1222-K Owners Thread - Page 9

What did I miss? I thought you loved the 1222?

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Negative reviews? Where?

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If the plugs have plastic holding them together, you could take a pair of dikes/wire cutters and pop them in half. Thats what I did till my new ones from Sewell arrived!

+1. I can fully understand his frustration in not being able to quickly wire up and enjoy his system, really the beauty of banana plugs in the first place, but this effective work around is pretty simple to employ.

Also add me to the confused list of people wondering where all the bad 1222-k reviews are? I imagine for most of us it has been all the stellar reviews that encouraged us give the thing a shot in the first place

I'm not set up to do that. I just meant to suggest that someone with a 1222 should check to make sure that it really has no volume OSD, since the 1522 does have one. Right now, when I press the volume control on the remote, I see "CBL/SAT" and below that "M. VOL -48.5dB" in light grey letters on a transparent black background in the lower right quadrant of the TV screen, and the volume display turns back off in about 5 seconds after I release the volume button.

I LOVE MY SC-1222. Just that the SC-1522 has Dual HDMI Outs; I didnt knew it. In the future I will need Dual HDMI Outs so I can connect the Projector that Im planing to buy on summer; and to connect my 65" Panasonic Plasma TV!.... Both displays will be at the same HT Room. The 1522 also it adds Neo:X.... Just wondering how good it is.... That's the only reason; but yes; I love my SC-1222; I will get the SC-1522 only if Im lucky to sell my SC-1222 locally.

Why Pioneer choose to not support double banana specifications? maybe it was just for ease the wiring, with and without banana connector. Most users doesn't use double banana plugs and it is much easier to work in the back panel when the sockets are not so close from each others. What's better? depend on how often do you modify your wiring and what kind of banana plugs are you using. Banana plugs are a professional requirement when you have to plug and unplug very often, otherwise wiring directly to the amplifier is far more reliable. By the way double banana plugs are mostly used in Y configurations. For speaker connection, double banana plugs are convenient so you do not mix 2 speakers, but you can reach the same functionality by using tape while you are moving the equipment.

IMHO talking about returning it even before hearing it is premature, I do not like the remote, I'd like a more finished user interface too, but I forget all that when I hear the sound delivered by this amazing receiver. Far better compared to my previously beloved and deceased Marantz.

Nonetheless now that you have double banana plugs, that you can cut in half, you can quickly switch between you Onkyo and your brand new Pioneer, after hearing the difference I am sure that you will join the team of happy owners. If you can do this benchmark, do not forget to run the Advanced MCACC tune-up before!!

By the way... there are only 2, maybe 3 negative reviews compared with all of us that are really, really happy with it so I am sure that you can find proportionally more dissatisfied users with Onkyos than with the SC-1222K, only surpassed by the SC-1522K under $1K.

Regards

You can have the same functionality with an HDMI splitter. You can have one for as low as $14.95. Nonetheless I'd like to have the SC-1522 too, it is more than just some more watts, listening modes and dual HDMI video out isn't it? I am pretty sure that you are making also some room for more speakers... ¡Pero qué envidia me estás dando!

Regards

I think the 1222 can do it actually. You need HDMI control/CEC setup and working, which means your TV needs to support it too. I tried it on my setup (older Samsung plasma) but got an HDCP error on the AVR. Its possible I might need to use a different HDMI input on my TV, but Ive never tried it.

Again, I dont miss it much coming from an Onkyo that had it.

It works with my TV, but only the volume level is shown by the TV OSD at the bottom.

Regards

Regarding video settings I have a question I've been meaning to ask. My setup first, video source - ps3, display - Sammy 60E7000 plasma.

So video processing wise, what should I have the 1222 do and what should I avoid? I guess I'm not fully clear on what video processing that the 1222 can provide is beneficial given that the PS3 will handle any necessary scaling from the various sources it can handle (BR, Netflix, Amazon Instant, DVD, etc) and the E7000 will take care of 24P material with its own "Cinema Smooth" DSP.

I'm thinking I'm best off using it as an HDMI switcher, but of course I might be missing something that you guys are more knowledgeable about.

The higher end receivers must have the osd. The SC63 doesn't have osd either.


After perusing the net, I have found that the hdmi/cec implementation just plain sucks with some tv/receiver combos. I've tried it with my samsung 55es7500 and just doesn't work right or all the time. It switches the receiver to tv input every single time for me. I have given up trying to get an osd......No big deal to me.

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I don't know why i can't access network setup. Please tell me what i am doing wrong. I press receiver then home menu. I can select system setup. The network setting is grayed out and i can't access it.

Maybe, but this is not the OSD volume I see from the 1522. The display I see has a completely different format from that of the TV, and, although my TV supports HDMI-CEC, I told my TV to turn that off.

I don't think so. Control information passes both ways over the HDMI interface, and if the signal is simply split, the receiver will have no idea which device it is talking to. If you read the product information for HDMI splitters on the Monoprice web site, I think you will find explicit warnings that a simple HDMI splitter will not work in this application.

When I was researching all the receivers that had multiple hdmi outputs were in fact simple splitters with the exception that some very high end units could route different inputs to different outputs. This is available externally and cheaply with an hdmi "matrix switch" as well.

Please let me know what you find. I ended up buying an iogear wireless hdmi unit that has hdmi passthrough on the sending unit. This works well for my Tv + projector setup where i only ever run one at a time. So it is effectively a wireless hdmi splitter with the same restrictions as a wired splitter.

Just took delivery of my Pioneer 1222k. Sounds fantastic but I am missing the "warm" sound on my old receiver. I guess I need to do some more tweaking. On my old Marantz SR5005 I can control whether or not to upscale video sources. On my previous setup I disabled upscaling on my BD player -Marantz UD7006. But on my Cbl/Sat set-to-box and DVD player I enable them. Quite happy of the result. Can this be accomplished with Pioneer 1222k?

I have my 1222 setup for bi-amp running a set of Infinity Crescendo CS3006 and know these speakers love power because they were originally hooked up to a Onkyo TX-SV727 back in the day. My issue is the 1222 keep shutting off in protect mode. The sound is awesome and doesn't seem to laboring the speakers. Do you think I should re-wire them normal operation? I should probably add I'm in stereo mode listening to AirPlay. Any thoughts beside turn it down?

Arg! Switching into protect is not good. Is it possible there is an intermittent short? Sorry to ask a dumb question but did you remove the shorting bar on the speaker terminals? Do you have another amp you can try them with? Can you measure the resistance between the terminals?

Yep, that's possible as this is how i've set mine up. BDP is set to no converation however, other non-HD sources are set to upscale.

Select your source and then select the "Video Parameter" option on the remote. Turn on the "V.Conv" and scroll through the parameters to make your needed changes.

You can also set some of the options for your BPD Source. I've turned the option on, but left the resolution at "Auto". Hope this helps.

I am pretty sure the 1522 has a simple OSD and the 1222 doesn't. The 1222 (2022 in my case) does show the volume on the display but only when I turn on the CEC on the display.

I also have the Samsung ES series and it doesn't play too nice with Pio. I only turn it on when I want to use the ARC.

Jajajajaajjaja. Vamos a comprarlo! . Yeah; more listening modes, full color gui, osd display, neo:x, etc, etc.... I want to see pics of the sc65 / 1522 gui. But no one wants to post it!

Just for the record since you asked, previous posts about problems configuring/using the SC-1222K:
1. FarmerBob’s numerous revealing and insightful posts on multiple features lacking compared to others (909, etc.) which I won’t regurgitate here
2. Inability to watch video from one source while audio listening on another source, which is a high priority for me
3. Multiple no picture or sound postings after connecting HDMI and other connections
4. Advanced MCACC not recognizing the sub and changing the channel level and separately not detecting speakers correctly
5. The need to make speaker level adjustments post-MCACC (why necessary if this app is supposed to set your speaker levels correctly for room size, etc.?)
6. No sub output after setup
7. User hostile Wiring Navi app/program with non-intuitive interface and misconfiguring
8. Optical audio out switching issues
9. No onscreen volume display
10. Firmware update issues even after multiple FAT32 reformattings
11. Wireless dongle connectivity issues
12. Lack of 12v triggers so would buy the SC61 instead
13. Pandora problems
14. Received a defective SC-1222K
15. Considering selling the 1222 and buying the 1522
16. Inability to access network setup easily
Day 2 starts now for continuing setup/config. We'll see how it goes.

Actually I had the same idea last night/this morning about 2 AM so I MacGyver'ed the dual banana plugs in half with a bolt cutter, allowing me to complete my speaker connections. Thanks for the advice.

Thanks for your informative response. That helps. Thanks also for your other detailed responses to previous posts, as you help educate the audience. My bolt cutter job this morning at 2 AM solved the dual banana plug connectivity problem, and I'll eventually replace the cut plugs, but my priority right now is to spend time configuring and learning what this unit can and can't do before making a final decision (and follow future posts).

Not trying to pick a fight, but lacking features does not fall under " problems configuring/using the SC-1222K". You know about them going in, if you NEED them, dont buy the 1222-K. This goes for the OSD volume and 12V triggers too.

HDMI issues? Everyone has them. Even Onkyo, Denon, Marantz, etc. 99% of the time I wouldnt fault the AVR, I would fault the complete lack of standard for HDMI handshakes, connections, devices, cables, etc.

There is no NEED to adjust MCACC settings....mine sound just fine after auto. But, completely unlike Audyssey, you CAN actually adjust them. There are at least a few people saying their Pioneer sounds better than the Onkyo they tried it up against. Wondering how much of that could be because you can actually tailor the 1222-K to how you like it (or to correct it even further), vs Audyssey that you cant touch (at least not without the Pro Kit)

Considering selling the 1222? Not because he didnt like it, he wanted to upgrade.

Received a defective? No offense but have you read any of the Onkyo owner threads? Defectives abound. Just the nature of the beast (not just Onkyo, but every piece of electronics everywhere). My favorite is the video review of the 809 on Amazon.com. Actually caught on fire whenever it was turned on. At least the defective Pio in this case didnt catch fire!

Ive noticed the network setup selection is grayed out upon initial entrance to the UI. My theory is that the network is "idled down" when the AVR is off (or in standby), unless you have network control on. I would be interested to see if the unit indeed grabs an IP the second you open the UI, and so technically before that happens you have no active network connection to configure, hence the menu choice is grayed out. Minor quirk, at least to me, because its always enabled itself after a second or two of being on that menu screen.

Pandora issues are well known, agreed they could "fix" it better, but there are loads of posts in here talking about how to get it working correctly.

To me, the biggest deal between Onkyo and Pioneer is Onkyos unfavorable track record, especially in regards to HDMI boards. It still stands to be seen if they've really corrected it (by the newer replacement boards, or the newer 818 model), or if they've just managed to kick the can down the road 2 or 3 years from now when the boards start failing again. Also, compared to the x09 models, the Pioneer implementation of standby is a whole lot better. When Onkyo tells you your AVR can draw up to 75W in standby, you know there is a problem. Sounds like theyve resolved that in the 818 model, but that doesnt do any good for those of us who couldnt afford the 818 (or didnt need the higher model). To me that is a huge issue, because 90% of the time my kids are watching TV.....I dont need 7.1 cranking for Spongebob, nor do I want the AVR completely powered up for it.

It is sad, but the HDMI 1.3 added the Consumer Electronics Control (HDMI-CEC) based on the legacy AV Link. It is a mess since the Specification does not define all the protocols (same happens with the rest of the HDMI specification), and this is the beginning of the problem. The initial problem got bigger when all the brands, instead of following a single specification, created their own extensions that collides eachother: Anynet (Samsung); Aquos Link (Sharp); BRAVIA Theatre Sync (Sony); Kuro Link (Pioneer); CE-Link and Regza Link (Toshiba); RIHD (Remote Interactive over HDMI) (Onkyo); Simplink (LG); HDAVI Control, EZ-Sync, VIERA Link (Panasonic); EasyLink (Philips); NetCommand for HDMI (Mitsubishi)...

HDMI 1.4 added the ethernet link, and probably the future of the control will go this way, including remotes.

As you can see, the CEC problems with the Pioneer are actually all over all the brands if you mix devices with different implementations.

Regards

Thanks PGunstone. I will try that.

One more thing, I am trying setup the "Auto Power Down" and I can't make it to work. I tried 15min, 30min - both did not work.

Auto power down is not a timer, it will only shut down after 15, 30 minutes of no audio/video coming into the AVR. Ive always wondered exactly how that would work, considering what an attached device might be doing (i.e. is your Bluray player REALLY off, or just in standby buffering something over wifi, etc)

BDP is OFF with no wifi. However, the Cable box is on stand-by with WIFI. I will try to unplugged the USB wifi on this box and see what happens.