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post #31 of 1383
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post

Just to mention that the page doesn't show when using Google Chrome Internet browser. Microsoft Internet Explorer seems to display it properly.

For people trying to find the differences between the cheapest class D3 amplifier (Pioneer SC-1222K) and the second cheapest D3 amplifier to date (Pioneer Elite SC-61):

- SC-61 has 2 12V triggers for remote systems, SC-1222K doesn't have any.
- SC-61 has 2 IR inputs while SC-1222 has just 1.
- +1 Year Warranty for the SC-61
- Display color in amber for the SC-61, blue for the SC-1222K
- ELITE logo in the front keypad door in the SC-61.
- SC-1222K can be found down to $550, and SC-61 down to $716 while Pioneer's MSRP is $1100 for both to date.

The rest is exactly the same, including the remarkable amplification stage. There was some confusion in other threads about a couple of features that both the SC-61 and SC-1222K actually share:
- Both have Hi-Bit 24bits up to 48KHz Audio (requantization enhancement system for lower bit depth audio sources).
- Both have Manual MCACC.

Regards

Thanks again for the awesome info above. So I was just browsing amazon reviews on the SC-61 and found this...

MCACC vs Audissey
I prefer MCACC. Audissey MIGHT be better if you have a subwoofer (MCACC will not touch your sub at all, you need an external tool for that), but, first, I hate subwoofers and don't have one in my setup, second, the Audissey calibration is too flat and boring. MCACC does a much better job, with a more lively sound, and it SHOWS what it does after it's done calibrating your system. You can review the calibration data and see decibel changes to each speaker, charts, and EQ parameters. You don't get that with Audissey.

To clarify, do all Pioneer receivers have this issue where the MCACC won't touch the sub? Another poster said the following...

"Yes, the sub out cannot be EQd by the MCACC feature (this is apparently the case even with the top Elite versions), but one can purchase an outboard mono equalizer (like, say, the ART EQ351) and use it to EQ the subwoofer feed. MCACC is actually a very useful feature with the Pioneer line."

What is this exactly?
post #32 of 1383
Okibcn, if you had to decide...which one would you buy? The biggest difference is if you want to power your receiver with external amps, right? Otherwise the differences are small for the extra $175 or so.
post #33 of 1383
Keep in mind that Pioneer does NOT honor warranties if an Elite model is bought online. It must be bought at a B&M like Best Buy.

Food for thought.
post #34 of 1383
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Originally Posted by dborgill View Post

I will definitely try it. My tracking still say today for arrival but I can't tell my Newegg's crappy tracking system if it's accurate.

Anybody know what carried this tracking number would be from?

C17115601938XXX

I tried Fedex, UPS and DHL.. no dice.

Sounds like OnTrac.
post #35 of 1383
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GaryWA View Post

Sounds like OnTrac.

Yep. I am on with Newegg customer service and nobody knows what is going on with my package. I called Ontrac and even though their website is tracking it, they said they don't deliver to Utah.. AWESOME tongue.gif
post #36 of 1383
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Originally Posted by GaryWA View Post

Keep in mind that Pioneer does NOT honor warranties if an Elite model is bought online. It must be bought at a B&M like Best Buy.

Food for thought.

Someone posted on Amazon that they called Pioneer and they hold true to their warranty if you buy through Amazon. Can't confirm, but someone said they made the calls.
post #37 of 1383
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Those cost 2 or 3 times more. You should make comparisons with the peer group.

Well the SC-1222k always seems to be about 50% off (around $500-$600), where the RX-A1020 is around $1,100 (close to full price of the SC-1222k) and the RX-A2020 is $1,500. So they are all pretty close if you compare MSRP.

Initially I was looking at either the RX-A1020 or the 2020 as I have Yamaha now and like it, but then I saw the SC-1222k on sale for 1/2 price. I'd be ok with spending $1,000 or $1,500 on a high end receiver, so considering this one is so cheap just curious how it compares.
post #38 of 1383
Thread Starter 
I don't think anyone can figure out why Newegg is selling the 1222-K for so cheap. I almost ordered it the other day for $699.99 but a few hours later, they had it for $549.99 shipped. Seemed like a no brainer to me, especially for power output.
post #39 of 1383
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Originally Posted by dborgill View Post

I will definitely try it. My tracking still say today for arrival but I can't tell my Newegg's crappy tracking system if it's accurate.

Anybody know what carried this tracking number would be from?

C17115601938XXX

I tried Fedex, UPS and DHL.. no dice.

Try:
https://www.ontrac.com/index.asp

I had a newegg order shipped by them.
post #40 of 1383
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Originally Posted by dborgill View Post

Yep. I am on with Newegg customer service and nobody knows what is going on with my package. I called Ontrac and even though their website is tracking it, they said they don't deliver to Utah.. AWESOME tongue.gif

People have had horrible experiences with OnTrac, you better hope you get a good driver. The driver that delivers to my house managed to get me my 50lb/pc speakers to me in one piece so I like him..
Make sure you don't live in an apartment too, or else you'll never get your receiver.
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

Someone posted on Amazon that they called Pioneer and they hold true to their warranty if you buy through Amazon. Can't confirm, but someone said they made the calls.

It's not actually sold by Amazon though, it's a 3rd party seller.
post #41 of 1383
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Originally Posted by dborgill View Post

I don't think anyone can figure out why Newegg is selling the 1222-K for so cheap. I almost ordered it the other day for $699.99 but a few hours later, they had it for $549.99 shipped. Seemed like a no brainer to me, especially for power output.

Very curious about this, as they have been running these really low prices for quite some time now. You can do a search and find these prices since last summer/fall.

Odd confused.gif
post #42 of 1383
Thread Starter 
OnTrac blows so far. I called them back and the lady said it could be late tonight or tomorrow before 5pm.. nobody knows. Maybe I'll pay $60 for the FedEx 2 day option next time...

Vedder, I can't speak for the receiver so far but regardless of amazing price, I haven't read of anyone really unhappy with their 1222-K.

OP updated.
post #43 of 1383
Do you think I should buy Newegg extended warranty? Newegg is offering 34.99 for 1 year and 49.99 for 2 years after manufacturer warranty is over. I bought the receiver for 549.99 yesterday, but today Newegg has it for 529.99. So, I chatted with the customer service and gave me a 20 dollar gift card for the difference. I am thinking of using the $20 gift card toward the 2 years warranty, so basically paying $30 for the warranty. That's 3 years warranty!biggrin.gif
post #44 of 1383
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Originally Posted by bobby2478 View Post

Well the SC-1222k always seems to be about 50% off (around $500-$600), where the RX-A1020 is around $1,100 (close to full price of the SC-1222k) and the RX-A2020 is $1,500. So they are all pretty close if you compare MSRP.

Initially I was looking at either the RX-A1020 or the 2020 as I have Yamaha now and like it, but then I saw the SC-1222k on sale for 1/2 price. I'd be ok with spending $1,000 or $1,500 on a high end receiver, so considering this one is so cheap just curious how it compares.

I looked at the RX-A1020 but could not justify spending the extra $s. I knew I had decided on the 1222 when newegg offered the RX-A1020 for $1,199.95 (w/$510 promo card) or about $690 and I did not jump on it. Instead I ordered the 1222.

Besides, the 1222 is big but the RX-A1020 is HUGE - did not know where I could put it. The 1222 will connect everything I needed, has the D3 amps (more power always better) and saved me a few bucks. So far I'm happy.
post #45 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Pinoy_AVS View Post

Do you think I should buy Newegg extended warranty? Newegg is offering 34.99 for 1 year and 49.99 for 2 years after manufacturer warranty is over. I bought the receiver for 549.99 yesterday, but today Newegg has it for 529.99. So, I chatted with the customer service and gave me a 20 dollar gift card for the difference. I am thinking of using the $20 gift card toward the 2 years warranty, so basically paying $30 for the warranty. That's 3 years warranty!biggrin.gif

Generally, extended warranties are not a good deal. My own experience and what I've read/heard - if electronics are going to break due to manufacturer defect, they generally do so quickly. For me, my CC as extended warranty coverage so my 1-year becomes two. Check your credit card benefits - maybe you have or can get the same thing.
post #46 of 1383
so i just got my 1222-k .
i know it doesn't touch the sub .
so how in the hell am i going to get the sub to blend in with the rest of the system?
maybe i should of bought the onkyo 818?
post #47 of 1383
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Originally Posted by vedderpj13 View Post

Okibcn, if you had to decide...which one would you buy? The biggest difference is if you want to power your receiver with external amps, right? Otherwise the differences are small for the extra $175 or so.

You will need the triggers in case you want secondary amplifiers or sub-woofers to turn automatic ON and OFF when the Main zone, Zone 2 or Zone 3 is delivering audio signal from the AVR.

The IR2 input is useful only in case you want to feed in the IR signal from 2 different external remote IR receivers. SC-1222K supports a single external remote IR receiver.

Regarding the price, the online stores selling the SC-61 at $715 are selling the SC1222K at $650 so actually the difference in those stores is only $65. If Newegg had the SC-61, maybe the difference was only $60 (a total of $610). But so far Newegg is not selling the SC-61.

I am not planning to feed any active subwoofer or external amplifier and my sub detects the signal and turns on and off by itself without the 12V trigger signal, this is why I bought the SC-1222K and not the SC-61. Think about your needs and buy the best solution for your setup.

Regards
post #48 of 1383
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

I just added a second subwoofer to my system and did the calibration again. The MCACC made the sub channel level -12! I also got a msg during the calibration about my center speaker being on "inverted phase" or something similar. Checked the cables and everything was OK, have no idea what the msg meant.
No complains about the sound quality, though.

I got the same "inverted phase" message - I think the first time I ran the full auto MCACC. Like you I checked and all were correct, no neg-to-pos. I have been moving and changing things and have run MCACC a number of times with no more "inverted phase" messages. I think I saw something in the manual that said it may pop-up but can be ignored if everything is connected correctly.
post #49 of 1383
Thread Starter 
WOW.. you can know get the 1222-K for $529..

+ $20 off w/ promo code EMCXVXN85, ends 2/13

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117412
post #50 of 1383
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Originally Posted by dborgill View Post

Yep. I am on with Newegg customer service and nobody knows what is going on with my package. I called Ontrac and even though their website is tracking it, they said they don't deliver to Utah.. AWESOME tongue.gif

On the other hand Newegg is responsible for the delivery. In case of any problem, you must complain to Newegg and not to OnTrac. Anyway shipping companies use partners in some states. I wouldn't worry about that.

Regards
post #51 of 1383
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post


For people trying to find the differences between the cheapest class D3 amplifier (Pioneer SC-1222K) and the second cheapest D3 amplifier to date (Pioneer Elite SC-61):
...

- Display color in amber for the SC-61, blue for the SC-1222K
...

Regards

Display color blue for the SC-1222K?

Are you talking about the Front Panel Display on the receiver? Mine does not look blue - white or gray maybe but not blue. Is this another difference besides the packaging - stickers, bag/no bag?
post #52 of 1383
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Originally Posted by dborgill View Post

WOW.. you can know get the 1222-K for $529..

+ $20 off w/ promo code EMCXVXN85, ends 2/13

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117412


Did you get yours price adjusted? I received a $20 gift card, since I bought mine for 549.99 like you did.
post #53 of 1383
Guys, I don't get this talk about the calibration not touching the sub. What exactly are you talking about ? When I run the MCACC it does recognize the sub and changes the channel level, like it always did since my first Pio receiver in 1999.
post #54 of 1383
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Originally Posted by bobby2478 View Post

Well the SC-1222k always seems to be about 50% off (around $500-$600), where the RX-A1020 is around $1,100 (close to full price of the SC-1222k) and the RX-A2020 is $1,500. So they are all pretty close if you compare MSRP.

Initially I was looking at either the RX-A1020 or the 2020 as I have Yamaha now and like it, but then I saw the SC-1222k on sale for 1/2 price. I'd be ok with spending $1,000 or $1,500 on a high end receiver, so considering this one is so cheap just curious how it compares.

If you are willing to spend $1000, go for the Pioneer SC-1522 more power, channels and lower THD. Those units can not compare to the Pioneer (not elite) AVR flagship at the same price.

Regards.
post #55 of 1383
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pinoy_AVS View Post

Did you get yours price adjusted? I received a $20 gift card, since I bought mine for 549.99 like you did.

How do I go about that? I have never done a price adjustment on Newegg. EDIT -- Contacted customer service. Got $20 credit. AWESOME smile.gif

And on sub EQ, I am also curious. Does only do a level adjustment and not fine tuning?
Edited by dborgill - 2/7/13 at 3:27pm
post #56 of 1383
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post

If you are willing to spend $1000, go for the Pioneer SC-1522 more power, channels and lower THD. Those units can not compare to the Pioneer (not elite) AVR flagship at the same price.

Regards.

Interesting. I'll have to do some research, I wasn't planning on getting anything immediately as I'm not in dire need (have an older Yamaha RX-V2500), but if I see something that is usually in the $1,000+ MSRP range that is on sale for 40-50% off, then I'll consider making a jump while I can get such a good deal. Otherwise I can just wait until I find a good deal on something.

I'm quite satisfied with my RX-V2500, it's plenty powerful, only thing that sucks is no HDMI support. But I can live with Optical for now until I can find something good on sale.

Assuming the SC-1222 and the 1522 have HDMI pass-thru...
post #57 of 1383
1222 has hdmi pass thru.
post #58 of 1383
I pulled the trigger.. Ordered Pioneer SC 1222 K for $529 from newegg.com with free shipping and no tax.. and will return Pioneer SC 61 to BB and save $273 (including tax)!!!!!
I can live with NO ELITE or blue LEDs and few other things I would never had used for, anyway.
post #59 of 1383
Does the SC1222 have anything like Audyssey Dynamic EQ or Dolby Volume to improve sound at lower volumes?
post #60 of 1383
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Originally Posted by goblue1 View Post

Does the SC1222 have anything like Audyssey Dynamic EQ or Dolby Volume to improve sound at lower volumes?

The only thing I know is something called "loud mgmt" but works only for Dolby TrueHD. There are many other settings that can affect low volume but nothing like you mentioned.
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