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post #391 of 1383
Mine came without stickers. Looked clean and brand new. No finger prints etc. remote control was looking brand new as well. Batteries were brand new too. And it works perfect so far.
post #392 of 1383
Mine came with stickers and a manual. It was manufactured in April 2012. Maybe they stopped including these after a certain manufacturing date.
post #393 of 1383
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Originally Posted by tbooth View Post

Mine came with stickers and a manual. It was manufactured in April 2012. Maybe they stopped including these after a certain manufacturing date.

Looks like units manufactured in August 2012 like mine came with no stickers or manual but all other accessories. Mine looked brand new and works flawlessly.
post #394 of 1383
Hi all,
New forum member, proud 1222 owner and absolute audio noob here. Will probably not have to offer much insights/advice (yet smile.gif) but do have a couple of questions...

Before I ask my questions here is my planned use case: I will have a HTPC and an additional PC connected to my 1222 and to a projector. All my audio content (ripped CDs, iTunes, online streaming etc) will come from the HTPC. In addition to the audio content there wil be some video content (Ripped BluRays, PLEX server) on the HTPC. Sometimes I will game on the other PC and would like to utilize the receiver and my speakers. Currently i have a center stage, a pair of front speakers and a sub. Soon I will have two surround speakers in the back bringing my setup to 5.1.

So here is my potpourri of questions:
1) After initial firmware upgrade (thanks guys for figuring out and resolving the USB formatting issue) and the initial MCACC run are there any other steps I should do? I read a lot about people setting their speakers to small (or something else) or doing some crossover settings etc. If you assume I am the average listener should i change any settings or just leave everything the way the receiver auto configures? I am also interested in the settings on the sub. There seem to be a few switches/diales that i am not sure about. (remember i am a complete noob)

2) one person advised me to just use hdmi to connect the HTPC to my receiver and then connect the receiver to the projector (via hdmi out). another recommended to connect the HTPC via hdmi directly to the projector and use an optical audio cable between HTPC and receiver. Is there one way that is better than the other or does it matter? if you could name a few advantages or disadvantage that would be really helpful for me to make up my mind.

3) since i will have two inputs (HTPC and PC) and two outputs (projector and PC monitor) I am considering to get a HDMI matrix switch. would this at all impact my audio quality?

Ok, even though i have many more questions I will leave it at these three for now. Big thanks in advance for any input/advice. Cheers!

PS: to contribute the little i can offer: bought mine from newegg about a month ago and came without stickers. just a little tag on the front to keep the panel shut. looked brand new to me and everything (remote, cables etc) was unused
post #395 of 1383
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

great forum thanks

Back to remote and WAF....(sorry)

1.Is the Pioneer remote able to learn functions for Samsung LED/LCD TV's, thus my have only
1 remote to use for complete system?


I keep reading negative slant on Pioneer remote, and if it was just me , i wouldn't car, but have to be sensitive to my spouse...


Also:
Music Purist: The stream i use now from PS3 Media Server: stream music library to PS3, then to ONKYO AVR..

2.Will it be more "pure" to stream thus straight from library to 1222 AVR , bypassing the PS3?

thanks again..

1. Yes, but TV functionality is very limited. I had mine programmed to run my flat screen and the only thing it would do is turn it on and off, raise/lower the volume and channel, and input select.

2. With the PS3 out of the picture then yes, theoretically it will be a bit more "pure", that is whatever interference/resistance it could pick up traveling through your PS3 and connecting cables.

I was overwhelmed with the remote the first few days I had it, but after reading / studying the user manual PDF it became easier as I learned the functions the buttons commanded. But, no backlight and smallish buttons are something that one must put up with, no learning curve will change it.
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

Ok...Now i am officially one of the group....Should get my 1222 on Friday....

Are any of you using Harmony or other brands of universal remotes? Have not gone down that road in a few years, but may look
into it...

I really tossed this one around whether to get a full pre/pro amp combo, but at Newegg pricing, i had to jump.
Class D3 amplification I hope to make believer out of me.
First Pioneer product I think i have ever owned.

thanks

I use a harmony 700 to power on and shut down the electronics in the system, I use it to control everything but the receiver, the little screen on the harmony makes the menu pages deep for scrolling the receiver functions and it is a PITA, so I choose to use the Pio remote for it.

I am sure you won't be disappointed with the amps, I never expected to hear the sound quality improve changing from a Marantz sr6003 but I was greatly surprised/pleased when I noticed it. I am taking the time to learn the more detailed functions of the MCACC and as much of the extra features as I can cram into my grey matter and the more I study/learn about this receiver the more I am liking it.

And a special thanks to okibcn and javygonx who pointed me in the right direction / assisted me with proper setup, I really appreciated the help. smile.gif Seems like a good bunch of enthusiasts on this forum, one stands to learn a lot here if they want to.

Edit: I got my receiver back in September from Newegg and it came with the stickers and a disk with the owners manual PDF on it.
post #396 of 1383
Is this unit worth re[placing my VSX-1121 with?
post #397 of 1383
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post

. . . Nonetheless the higher sample rate and the higher bit depth of current digital standards have finally surpassed the analog sources. . . .
Regards

But it still doesn't surpass the aural richness and depth that you get from vinyl and that I noticed missing from CD's the first time I heard one at a high-end Denon demonstration back when they first introduced them. It's hollow as is digital. It doesn't matter what sample (a key word) rates and bit depth there is, a physical characteristic in music reproduction just can not be "sampled". What I find the most interesting and gratifying is the big resurgence of vinyl, old school tube amps and turntables from USB to DJ Industrial (I have two SL1200MKII's) to million dollar models. And how all this is really getting acknowledged and is growing with kids, never left DJ's, and audiophiles. To the point that almost all record companies have at least one vinyl pressing factory up and running now. And European imports, that's where I get my 12" singles from, are doing a land office business. So to tie this to this thread and new gear hitting the market, I feel the Class 3 amps are running cleaner. cooler (always a plus) and I have been using them in smaller installs to generate good sound and protect speakers and they sell nicely on an economic level. I have yet to use them in a larger install and see if they retain the spectrum as is needed and desired. But someday it'll all equate out. But until then, we'll have conversations like this. But in the meantime, I'm afraid that we'll get 4G'd, "indoctrinated"/reconditioned into a fictitious concept that has nothing to do with reality, with all this "digital" stuff and lose the best that we already had. But as technology moves forward, hopefully it'll regain the best of the past. Fingers Crossed. That's why Pioneer has been my personal brand for many years they've been on the forefront. I just don't like the white-gray displays. Got kinda hooked in the Amber. And the flexibility of the 1222 is no where near that of my 909. But that'll get fixed when I replace with Elite gear. Looks like they are craving niches.
post #398 of 1383
Hi again everyone. question can I run a 3.1 system LRC and sub will mcacc set it up ?
post #399 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Hubertoliver View Post

Is this unit worth re[placing my VSX-1121 with?

Same question regarding the Onkyo 809?
post #400 of 1383
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Originally Posted by realnt View Post

Hi again everyone. question can I run a 3.1 system LRC and sub will mcacc set it up ?

MCACC setup my 4.1 system, I don't see why it wouldn't do 3.1.
post #401 of 1383
Should arrive any day...
Q. Can I setup rear surrounds, which i do not have yet, wireless?
Would be nice to not have to run a wires.. Never heard good things on wireless transmission of sound though...
post #402 of 1383
This sounds significantly better than my old Onkyo 606. I wonder if the amp stage in that thing was just shot because my speakers are awful and I'm a nonbeliever in amp snake oil.
post #403 of 1383
RE: Android iControlAV2012 app on tablet:
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post

Was it Android tablet Interface like the iPad interface?

Regards

No idea. No experience with iPad. I need to get back there and check a few things. Did not have much time and left without checking which tablet he finally got it going on. I would like to know processor speed, RAM, etc. for shopping comparison. Hope to have some time tomorrow. Maybe I can look at an iPad and let you know.

Doing some more searching, I found these page that I have not seen posted here:

- iControlAV2012 Android Instruction Manual

- iControlAV2 Android Support & Guide

For those of you with or considering the Android iControlAV2012 app.
post #404 of 1383
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Originally Posted by realnt View Post

Hi again everyone. question can I run a 3.1 system LRC and sub will mcacc set it up ?

Already answered. A few posts back, someone said, you can connect / run with just one speaker.
post #405 of 1383
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Originally Posted by jlm86 View Post

Ok...Now i am officially one of the group....Should get my 1222 on Friday....

Are any of you using Harmony or other brands of universal remotes? Have not gone down that road in a few years, but may look
into it...

I really tossed this one around whether to get a full pre/pro amp combo, but at Newegg pricing, i had to jump.
Class D3 amplification I hope to make believer out of me.
First Pioneer product I think i have ever owned.

thanks

Glad to see you took the jump but if you remember, I said no need to panic - today's newegg price, $529 with no code needed. Although to be honest, I did realize it was easy for me to say that - I already had mine.

I considered getting a Harmony but I am currently looking into running the iControlAV2012 app on a cheap (about $100) Android tablet. Still researching.
post #406 of 1383
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Originally Posted by Hubertoliver View Post

Is this unit worth re[placing my VSX-1121 with?

From my point of view the switched amplification is to class AB as Plasma to CRTs. It is the inevitable future because it can performs much better, it has more room to improve. The class D3 is the third iteration of the switched amplification in AV receivers. This is regarding the amplification stage. The rest of the processing is the same in an AB amp. I bought this receiver because I have deep knowledge of psychoacoustics and signal processing. I knew that it should be different from the rest, and I was right.

We will see soon more switched amplifiers from other brands, probably with better pre-processing and more options, but today the quality of the sound that delivers this class D3 receiver is comparable only to high end AB receivers.

Answering your question, if you have fair speakers or better and you use to enjoy music, movies, sports or games at more than half the volume, then you will clearly notice the difference with this digital amplifier.
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Originally Posted by realnt View Post

Hi again everyone. question can I run a 3.1 system LRC and sub will mcacc set it up ?

Advanced MCACC can calibrate from 1 to any number of speakers and across te full spectrum. And yes, it also calibrates the sub.
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Originally Posted by bad1550 View Post

Same question regarding the Onkyo 809?

As I said before, any medium-high AB receiver is below the SC-1222K in sound quality and that includes that 809. If you are more featured focused, then maybe you'd like a hot Onkyo over a cold Pioneer.

Regards
post #407 of 1383
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Originally Posted by happy2Lurk View Post

Glad to see you took the jump but if you remember, I said no need to panic - today's newegg price, $529 with no code needed. Although to be honest, I did realize it was easy for me to say that - I already had mine.

I considered getting a Harmony but I am currently looking into running the iControlAV2012 app on a cheap (about $100) Android tablet. Still researching.

My 2ct: the app is not a remote replacement unless your system is very simple. Heck I don't even think you can turn on your tv with it.

That being said I really like it as a companion to a remote.
post #408 of 1383
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post

From my point of view the switched amplification is to class AB as Plasma to CRTs. It is the inevitable future because it can performs much better, it has more room to improve. The class D3 is the third iteration of the switched amplification in AV receivers. This is regarding the amplification stage. The rest of the processing is the same in an AB amp. I bought this receiver because I have deep knowledge of psychoacoustics and signal processing. I knew that it should be different from the rest, and I was right.

We will see soon more switched amplifiers from other brands, probably with better pre-processing and more options, but today the quality of the sound that delivers this class D3 receiver is comparable only to high end AB receivers.

Answering your question, if you have fair speakers or better and you use to enjoy music, movies, sports or games at more than half the volume, then you will clearly notice the difference with this digital amplifier.
Advanced MCACC can calibrate from 1 to any number of speakers and across te full spectrum. And yes, it also calibrates the sub.
As I said before, any medium-high AB receiver is below the SC-1222K in sound quality and that includes that 809. If you are more featured focused, then maybe you'd like a hot Onkyo over a cold Pioneer.

Regards

We shall soon find out as I have one on it's way! Thanks for you info.
post #409 of 1383
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Originally Posted by eyekode View Post

My 2ct: the app is not a remote replacement unless your system is very simple. Heck I don't even think you can turn on your tv with it.

That being said I really like it as a companion to a remote.

I am using my iPad for controlling the receiver with the iControlAV2012 app. It is more a control panel than a remote, I really like this new approach. The app itself can not turn my TV on but I am also controlling the TV with the iPad app for my Samsung TV, I can even watch the TV from my iPad while I am within the LAN. I also can control the cable DVR with the Xfinity iPad app, I can change channel, program and playback, get the info, use the on demand system and everything without the IHMO annoying OSD messages and menus. Obviously the best remote for my HTPC is the iPad. I can stream music or video or both from my iPad to the Apple TV... all that without a single remote. Even more! I can control everything even from the office using the iPad VPN!!!!

This is why I know that the IR remotes, RS232/485, triggers, etc, will be replaced by IP control, ethernet or wifi. It is the most simple solution for complicated setups.

Regards
post #410 of 1383
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Originally Posted by benfica1 View Post

Looks like units manufactured in August 2012 like mine came with no stickers or manual but all other accessories. Mine looked brand new and works flawlessly.

Mine looked new as far as I could see. Just curious I guess. Where is the manufacture date, on the box label or back of avr?
post #411 of 1383
I really love my 1222 so far. I'm still struggling with my MCACC & level settings, but I'm sure that will all come. I also haven't decided what 2ch listening mode I like best. What do u all use when streaming music or listening to a cd?
post #412 of 1383
they dont include manuals anymore only discs...I got mine in December and it had no stickers and was brand new.
post #413 of 1383
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Originally Posted by eyekode View Post

My 2ct: the app is not a remote replacement unless your system is very simple. Heck I don't even think you can turn on your tv with it.

That being said I really like it as a companion to a remote.
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Originally Posted by okibcn View Post

I am using my iPad for controlling the receiver with the iControlAV2012 app. It is more a control panel than a remote, I really like this new approach. The app itself can not turn my TV on but I am also controlling the TV with the iPad app for my Samsung TV, I can even watch the TV from my iPad while I am within the LAN. I also can control the cable DVR with the Xfinity iPad app, I can change channel, program and playback, get the info, use the on demand system and everything without the IHMO annoying OSD messages and menus. Obviously the best remote for my HTPC is the iPad. I can stream music or video or both from my iPad to the Apple TV... all that without a single remote. Even more! I can control everything even from the office using the iPad VPN!!!!

This is why I know that the IR remotes, RS232/485, triggers, etc, will be replaced by IP control, ethernet or wifi. It is the most simple solution for complicated setups.

Regards

I am looking at it as more of a supplement than replacement. I do not have a problem with using multiple remotes. Most of the components I have, have remotes that I like very much. I find it just as easy to grab the appropriate remote as to make sure I have activated the appropriate source button on a universal remote.

Regarding the Pio remote, I can get used to it but doubt I will ever really like it - buttons too similar in size and shape, too close together. It's just not a great remote for one-hand operation in the dark. I also do not like having to scroll thru the listening options - i.e. to get from Auto Surround to Pure Direct you must pass ALC. If I have the volume up, I feel the need to turn it down before changing modes. Just a minor increase in user enjoyment. This is also why I am only considering this, if I can do it at a low expense. If not, I will just live with the Pio remote.
post #414 of 1383
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Originally Posted by goblue1 View Post

I really love my 1222 so far. I'm still struggling with my MCACC & level settings, but I'm sure that will all come. I also haven't decided what 2ch listening mode I like best. What do u all use when streaming music or listening to a cd?
Stereo. Just plain stereo. Sometimes Neo:Music is oretty good ad well as Ext. Stereo. Did my manual helped you out?
post #415 of 1383
Well, I was playing with my new Klipsch RW12D sub and just discovered one of my channels is dead on the Marantz! My right rear surround is out. Guess it is time for a new receiver. smile.gif
post #416 of 1383
Well, it is 1 AM in CA. I just got home from work, and I couldn't really wait. I took the SC-1222 out of the box to test it with the Dune player to make sure it works....AND IT WORKS!!!! I am posting some pics of the box, what came in the box (remote, batteries, set up manual, iPod usb cable, antenna, etc). It looks and smells brand new.







I took a picture of the Dune UI. At first, I didn't get any picture, and I started getting worried and pissed off. Then I remember I plug the Dune HDMI cable to the wrong HDMI port. I plugged it to HDMI 1 / DVD, changed the source with the remote to DVD and magic. It worked!!!! I can't wait to finish setting it up. It really sucks that some of you aren't able to use this AVR with the Dune.

post #417 of 1383
I forgot to label the surround and surround back speaker cables...mad.gif
post #418 of 1383
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Originally Posted by gasdag View Post

Wow that would infuriate me. My onkyo from amazon came new as new can be covered in stickers. I wonder if this crazy good deal on the new egg 1222 includes returns and refurbs and why the hell wouldn't they state that when you're purchasing? Did anything else seem "used" about it? Any finger prints? Batteries already in the remote? And no manual included? Yeah call up new egg, bitch like crazy, and demand they pay for you to return it.
they are new
post #419 of 1383
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Well, it is 1 AM in CA. I just got home from work, and I couldn't really wait. I took the SC-1222 out of the box to test it with the Dune player to make sure it works....AND IT WORKS!!!! I am posting some pics of the box, what came in the box (remote, batteries, set up manual, iPod usb cable, antenna, etc). It looks and smells brand new.







I took a picture of the Dune UI. At first, I didn't get any picture, and I started getting worried and pissed off. Then I remember I plug the Dune HDMI cable to the wrong HDMI port. I plugged it to HDMI 1 / DVD, changed the source with the remote to DVD and magic. It worked!!!! I can't wait to finish setting it up. It really sucks that some of you aren't able to use this AVR with the Dune.


Is this a replacement unit or just the first one you ordered?

I dont have an HTPC but wouldnt want to find out later on that this one might not work.

Thanks.
post #420 of 1383
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Originally Posted by chrisexv6 View Post

Is this a replacement unit or just the first one you ordered?

I dont have an HTPC but wouldnt want to find out later on that this one might not work.

Thanks.

I have a windows 7 media center pc hooked up to mine and it works great. Likewise I have an Xbox 360 and it works even better as an extender (my pc can only really handle driving a 720p signal).

My only complaint is the remote does not come with native wmc codes. I also tried to program them in and they don't work reliably. So I have to use two remotes instead. One of these days I will buy a real remote!
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