"OFFICIAL" Pioneer SC-1222-K Owners Thread - Page 20

Got an open box for $370 from newegg and received this morning

Looks brand new and never used; hooked up and sounds great

guess it is a good bargain

Under $400, heck yeah.

iControlAV2013 iOS app for iPhone/iPad/iPod touch, was released several days ago for the 2013 models. So far only the VSX-1123 is supported. These are some screenshots:


Nonetheless I tried to use it with the SC-1222K so see that happens. It actually detects the SC-1222K but it says that it is an unsupported model. You can run it in demo mode only to see that the big new features of 2013 is the green Eco modes and a slightly modified look. The iPhone/iPod interface seems closer to the detail of the iPad app.

By the way, there are some people already rating this app with 1 star just because it doesn't work with receivers from previous years. The same reason why iControAV2012 was rated so low.

Regards

I'm thinking of getting it. It only has one year manufacturer warranty. I might do 1 more year just in case. You have 30 days to extend your warranty after you buy it.

Definitely some improvements/features in the app for the I Pad ver. Wish Pioneer wouldn't limit the new apps by model year. Just have one app that controls the AVR models. it already detects which model you have. If the new features are applicable to your model then you would be able to use the new features of the app. Hopefully some of the improvements/features will follow with an update of the icontrol2012 app.

I need some help regarding watching an .avi movie thru PS3? It does not play all 5 channels , only left and right.
My previous Onkyo 809 always output to all channels including sub.

I think the default behavior is to pick the "best" sound mode for the input source. If the input source is stereo it will pick stereo output. But it should not turn off your sub. I just checked mine when streaming pandora and the sub is still on.

You can also override this behavior and pick simulated surround modes for stereo input. It is very easy to do with the iPad/iPhone and (I assume) android app.

You might have to read the manual if using the remote or OSD.
Salem

I downloaded and played with the app. The new MACAA page has a group delay chart but I can't tell if it somehow tries to reduce it...

And it has some more options for setting power management but I like how my 1222 is setup.

So yeah it would be nice to get the new app. But I will be happy if they at least support the old app and the firmware to make sure pandora etc keeps working!

Looking over the new receivers the only new option that is interesting to me is the dual HDMI out. It could be better than the splitter I am using.

My real question is where are the 2013 models with D3 amps?

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Provide a mediainfo of the avi file? Also ps3 needs to be set to bitstream.

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The media is a USB drive.

I set to bitstream , no difference
I have to output to ext. stereo to get all channels

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Download mediainfo install it. Then use it to read your AVI file, which will tell us the format of the video and audio. If it has DTS / Dolby digital then you should be able to change the audio output. If it doesn't then you can bypass it via the AVR, which still stereo, but using all speakers.

is there a way to go into the menu and turn up the sound , i have to turn it up to 15 to get good sound watching a movie.

Oh no they are not. Well maybe on "entry level" gear. But if you look at the upper level Elite models and the same level on other brands there are tons of triggers and the phono jacks are right there. These features are in more demand by "serious audiophile/Elite system buyers" and the equipment that they would be using uses these features. Whereas, a "cheaper" sub would have an on-board line level trigger. The SC-63 (The Installers Dream) looks to be identical to the 1222 but with 12V Triggers. The SC-65 has triggers. The SC-67 has Triggers and a Phono Input (a higher end option). And the SC-68 has both. With the resurgence of vinyl and $100+K Turntables all the rage ("The Needle Doctor") and if you are doing a "higher end" install these features are common. So basically neither have or are disappearing. A little research can reveal a lot.

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Edited by FarmerBob - 3/7/13 at 11:16pm

This is what I did: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008I64OU0/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

After several conversations with SquareTrade TS (wish I had done them with my DLP, would have saved me hundreds), it was decided that purchasing for the OEM current list price was the only way to do it right. With the receipt submission I included a screen shot of Pioneers page showing the retail value of the unit, it was all excepted and the receipt and the retail value are on file with the insurer.

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I bought 2 yrs extended warranty from newegg.com for $44.99.

This is for anyone using an UnRaid server. Have you been able to access the server via the SC-1222-k network server option? The only thing I can access is my W7 PC, but it won't play any of the music files?

That was exactly what I said. Phono inputs are disappearing since you can find them only in very high end units. It is the last feature anyone would need nowadays since a dedicate hardware for something that most of the people doesn't use it is not profitable and manufacturers decided to remove it. They are left for high end systems loaded with everything. It is sad, but true. I sill have my old Nakamichi BX-300E which sounded like CD but tape died along with vinyl and quadraphonic.

The reality today is that all the secondary amplifiers in subwoofers or slave stages have auto power on/off. Most of the custom installations have a lot of years so they must be available only for backward compatibility to all the installations out there. Same happens with the RS323/485 connector. The future is ethernet/wifi and serial commands through telnet commands but there are still a lot of places with twisted wires all around.

Regards
Edited by okibcn - 3/8/13 at 8:19am

As a former sound engineer I can tell you why vinyl seems to sound better than CDs and it is because of the way the vinyl and CDs are mastered. I agree that a good new vinyl on a proper calibrated turntable provides better sound to the ears than the same digitized signal. The problem is that the media is very delicate and it can not support more than 10 or maybe 15 rounds without noticeable degradation points. Even more, when mastering a vinyl, years ago, I was in a compromise between the length of the track and the dinamic range of the track. We had to compress (level compression, it means that we boosted the tiny sounds and attenuated the huge signals) the analog signal in order to fit into that surface without losing the details or cropping the bass. The average dynamic range of a master is around 70dB. It is almost impossible to create a vinyl master with more than 80dB of dynamic range and it turns into a 50-60dB in the copy. CD offers 90dB of dynamic range and current 24 bits audio goes up to 120dB. The problem is that good CD masters do not have any compression at all and an average listener can not hear the details that are audible in Vinyl thanks to the level compression. On the other hand pop music is compressed and leveled to the max so it would sound louder than other CDs. This battle has made that those tracks were ultracompressed and the result is a flat experience without any texture. Somehow the usual compression level in vinyl masters is the best for a proper listening experience. I can master a digitally uncompressed DVD audio track and a vinyl track using the same processing and I am sure that no one can notice the difference. CD audio is different, it is not as good.

Regarding the bandwith, the Vinyl goes much higher than CD Audio. As I said somewhere else, Audio CD has hurt a lot the digital processing. Thanks to the current standard of 24 bits/192KHz audio the vinyl is no longer the best media. Even more when the master records today are all digital.

Modern recording equipment and techniques allow for crystal clear high definition audio to be captured at the highest standard. It all sounds great from source to mixdown (see Hydrogenaudio), and yet it’s all ruined at the last stage of the process, when creating the master

So the quality difference is not in the media but in the CD/Vinyl master.

Regards

After reading all the good reviews on the SC-1222, I deceided to purchase it and replace my VSX-1019AH. The 1019 is working fine with the exception of running kinda hot and cutting out if run at a high volume for an extended amount of time. I hooked up the 1222 and the first thing I noticed was the lack of power compared to the 1019. I was assuming the D3 amplification would be equal or even better than what the 1019 is running. I haven't run the MCACC setup yet but will sometime today. On the 1019, I'd have the volume set around 52 for normal listening. The 1222 I have to set at 40 to get close to normal. Am I wrong in assuming the 1222 should have the same or more power than the 1019? Everyone seems to like the D3 amp and so would I but I'm justy not hearing it.

The sc1222k goes to +12db instead of 0db so 52 to 40 is about equal as far as level. At that level however I don't think you would notice much of a difference especially if you are only pushing 2 channel. To me it really shines in mutichannel output or turning it up to "11"

Got my Newegg open box yesterday. Poor thing looks like it has had a rough life so far. Newegg doesn't double box these things so it has made the journey there and back and again. UPS driver was nice enough to start the damaged box paperwork for me.

So far I have plugged it in and it does power on so that is a plus. I had to fish some small Styrofoam fragments out of various inputs but, no dents or damage other than a couple small scratches on the flip down cover. Looks like I got all the accessories, Remote, mic, ipod cable, power cord and a setup disc with the typical warning and registration/warranty card stuff.

Hoping this is a valid replacement for my XR55 and makes my Athenas shine.

Did we ever get a sticky or full write-up on Subwoofer tweaks? I know a couple of users have said MCACC gimped the bass and I expect with my huge room and only a LFM-EX I'll have to do some tweaking.

I am interested on the sub settings as well. I am satisfied with how it sounds at the moment, but if I can make it better I am all for it.

This is quite odd. I downloaded the manual and both go to +12db (which is odd all in itself) so the scale should be equivalent assuming they both have the same max gain. And seeing as the VSX-1019 was rated at a lower wattage I would expect it to have a lower max gain (but only slightly so, < 3db difference). So I am surprised that the 1222 sounds quieter at the same level. Look in the MCACC settings and see if all of the trims are at 0db.

That being said I have never turned mine above 0db. At night I watch movies at ~-30db and when I can I turn it up to -10db or so and that is plenty loud enough in my room.
Salem

Mine only sees files that are in "Libraries, Music" folder, I am unable to navigate to folders where my MP3 and Flac files are on other hard drives.

I believe we will have to use a DLNA Media Server. I need to get a cache drive for my server and thereafter I'll install a DLNA plugin see how that works.

Mine see my PS3 media server on my PC without going through the PS3 and it doesn't compress my 24 bit flacs like the ps3 does

That is one of the disappointing factors with this unit. My both my LG BDPs sees every shared volume on my LAN. It even sees the card reader in my wireless printer. So when I fired this up on the 1222 and only the media server in my R6300 router came up I knew it's not "real" DLNA. Otherwise, it would see every shared volume. Oh well, maybe in a future FW release they'll offer what is "implied" in the specs. . .

Well mine sees my music files from my W7 of, but it won't play them.

Thanks for the input. I ran the MCACC setup and I think I'm going to test it out for the weekend and see how I like it. My main reasons for getting the 1222 were that it runs cooler, has many more features than the 1019 does and the D3 amplification. I have no real complaints as far as sound quality. It cranks when turned up and has less distortion than the 1019. I just figured they should have been close in their volume levels. Maybe I need to do some research on the D3 amplification. I will also compare the MCACC setups of each and see what differences there are if any.

I can't figure out why some of you think there is a problem with the volume level. The volume as reported on the front display is just a number. It's a convenience, not a performance measure. If you want it louder, turn it up. If it won't go as loud as you'd like, regardless of what the display reports, then that's a problem.