Originally Posted by FarmerBob
But it still doesn't surpass the aural richness and depth that you get from vinyl and that I noticed missing from CD's the first time I heard one at a high-end Denon demonstration back when they first introduced them. It's hollow as is digital. It doesn't matter what sample (a key word) rates and bit depth there is, a physical characteristic in music reproduction just can not be "sampled". What I find the most interesting and gratifying is the big resurgence of vinyl, old school tube amps and turntables from USB to DJ Industrial (I have two SL1200MKII's) to million dollar models. And how all this is really getting acknowledged and is growing with kids, never left DJ's, and audiophiles. To the point that almost all record companies have at least one vinyl pressing factory up and running now. And European imports, that's where I get my 12" singles from, are doing a land office business. So to tie this to this thread and new gear hitting the market, I feel the Class 3 amps are running cleaner. cooler (always a plus) and I have been using them in smaller installs to generate good sound and protect speakers and they sell nicely on an economic level. I have yet to use them in a larger install and see if they retain the spectrum as is needed and desired. But someday it'll all equate out. But until then, we'll have conversations like this. But in the meantime, I'm afraid that we'll get 4G'd, "indoctrinated"/reconditioned into a fictitious concept that has nothing to do with reality, with all this "digital" stuff and lose the best that we already had. But as technology moves forward, hopefully it'll regain the best of the past. Fingers Crossed. That's why Pioneer has been my personal brand for many years they've been on the forefront. I just don't like the white-gray displays. Got kinda hooked in the Amber. And the flexibility of the 1222 is no where near that of my 909. But that'll get fixed when I replace with Elite gear. Looks like they are craving niches.
As a former sound engineer I can tell you why vinyl seems to sound better than CDs and it is because of the way the vinyl and CDs are mastered. I agree that a good new vinyl on a proper calibrated turntable provides better sound to the ears than the same digitized signal. The problem is that the media is very delicate and it can not support more than 10 or maybe 15 rounds without noticeable degradation points. Even more, when mastering a vinyl, years ago, I was in a compromise between the length of the track and the dinamic range of the track. We had to compress (level compression, it means that we boosted the tiny sounds and attenuated the huge signals) the analog signal in order to fit into that surface without losing the details or cropping the bass. The average dynamic range of a master is around 70dB. It is almost impossible to create a vinyl master with more than 80dB of dynamic range and it turns into a 50-60dB in the copy. CD offers 90dB of dynamic range and current 24 bits audio goes up to 120dB. The problem is that good CD masters do not have any compression at all and an average listener can not hear the details that are audible in Vinyl thanks to the level compression. On the other hand pop music is compressed and leveled to the max so it would sound louder than other CDs. This battle has made that those tracks were ultracompressed and the result is a flat experience without any texture. Somehow the usual compression level in vinyl masters is the best for a proper listening experience. I can master a digitally uncompressed DVD audio track and a vinyl track using the same processing and I am sure that no one can notice the difference. CD audio is different, it is not as good.
Regarding the bandwith, the Vinyl goes much higher than CD Audio. As I said somewhere else, Audio CD has hurt a lot the digital processing. Thanks to the current standard of 24 bits/192KHz audio the vinyl is no longer the best media. Even more when the master records today are all digital.
Modern recording equipment and techniques allow for crystal clear high definition audio to be captured at the highest standard. It all sounds great from source to mixdown (see Hydrogenaudio
), and yet it’s all ruined at the last stage of the process, when creating the master
So the quality difference is not in the media but in the CD/Vinyl master.