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Easy/reliable way to get PC to display/play throughout house?

post #1 of 14
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Hello All,
I am considering a PC build in the very near future.

I would like to go all out and make a gaming rig yet still keep it in my office for normal use. I have a home theater/projector setup in my basement and I am curious to know if there are any solutions to have that content for gaming be able to display in the basement. I would assume the wireless solution won't work due to latency, but any ideas or thought would be much appreciated.

Thanks.
post #2 of 14
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240

For in-wall use CL2 rated cable.

For long runs I would check the reviews on the cable and make sure not too many people are having issues.

Your other option is hdmi over cat5e. Basically wiring hdmi to 2 cat5e's. No loss in quality, you might need an amplified version if the run is long though.

Edit: Using cat6 cable is recommended.
post #3 of 14
The correct answer is "continue to wait". Modern solutions suck, but videocard output compression is something that is in the process of becoming native to Nvidia cards and Steam . Then you just need a dirt-cheap PC or a custom CE box similar to a Roku/AppleTV for decoding on the TV side. It's all still pretty early stages, but we should have some reasonable solutions by this time next year.

The best solution today is: Build a second PC for the TV.

Punching holes in the walls and running long cables is not a solution. It's a kludge at best, and it's stating the obvious.


" I would assume the wireless solution won't work due to latency"

Wii U uses on-the-fly video encode and transmission and it is lower latency at 16ms than most people's HDMI cables to their HDTVs at 33ms. It's already proven that it can be done, it's just a question of whether anyone will deliver a quality solution for PC use. There are 1080p wireless HDMI extenders in the $200 range, but you would certainly want to research latency on any specific model before making a purchase. I would imagine being an outboard piece, that you add another 33ms or so, resulting in the final image being 4 frames behind the PC render. Compression artifacts may also be an issue.
post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

The correct answer is "continue to wait". Modern solutions suck, but videocard output compression is something that is in the process of becoming native to Nvidia cards and Steam . Then you just need a dirt-cheap PC or a custom CE box similar to a Roku/AppleTV for decoding on the TV side. It's all still pretty early stages, but we should have some reasonable solutions by this time next year.

The best solution today is: Build a second PC for the TV.

Punching holes in the walls and running long cables is not a solution. It's a kludge at best, and it's stating the obvious.


" I would assume the wireless solution won't work due to latency"

Wii U uses on-the-fly video encode and transmission and it is lower latency at 16ms than most people's HDMI cables to their HDTVs at 33ms. It's already proven that it can be done, it's just a question of whether anyone will deliver a quality solution for PC use. There are 1080p wireless HDMI extenders in the $200 range, but you would certainly want to research latency on any specific model before making a purchase. I would imagine being an outboard piece, that you add another 33ms or so, resulting in the final image being 4 frames behind the PC render. Compression artifacts may also be an issue.
Compression artifacts get really bad on wireless hdmi crap.

Running hdmi or cat6 in the wall is a great solution. They make wall plates for this, btw. While you are at it run some extra cat6 so you have gig capabilities in your basement. There are a lot of guides on-line on how to do this.

I can't imagine Nvidia's solution has a hope in hell of being better than an actual cable run.
post #5 of 14
It can be done and many of us here do so with no issues.

I use wireless HDMI + wired HDMI all over the house and it works just fine.

My gaming pc is in a different room from my HT and I am able to play 60 fps games with no problems in my HT, pulling off running headshots or taking down mid-air enemies is not an issue (although my projector is in the 30ms range to begin with).

I even have it set to where I send wireless HDMI from my gaming pc to my HT AVR and then one of the HDMI outs on my AVR drives a 1x4 that splits off to another wireless HDMI transmitter to a plasma and I can game on the plasma as well.

It's wired like this and still works everytime I fire it up...

Gaming PC -> 1x2 HDMI splitter -> WiHDMI Transmitter -> WiHDMI Receiver -> AVR in -> AVR HDMI out 2 -> 1x4 HDMI Splitter -> WiHDMI Transmitter -> WiHDMI Receiver -> Plasma

(HDMI out 1 on the AVR drives the PJ while the 1x4 splitter also drives another local HT monitor and another PJ as needed when I run A/B's, trials and calibrations).

I can play on 6 different displays throughout my home from the same gaming pc.

Now sending to a basement could prove trickier and may indeed require direct lines (HDMI over Cat6) but I would suggest a trial of the multi-room wireless HDMI and then experiment with the position of the transmitter/receiver, you just might have your easy solution. If you can locate the transmitter/receiver somewhat close to each other through a wood floor then you'll likely have no issues.

Best of luck,
Jason
post #6 of 14
I use a 50ft hdmi cable and 49ft usb extender both from monoprice.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

It can be done and many of us here do so with no issues.

I use wireless HDMI + wired HDMI all over the house and it works just fine.

My gaming pc is in a different room from my HT and I am able to play 60 fps games with no problems in my HT, pulling off running headshots or taking down mid-air enemies is not an issue (although my projector is in the 30ms range to begin with).

I even have it set to where I send wireless HDMI from my gaming pc to my HT AVR and then one of the HDMI outs on my AVR drives a 1x4 that splits off to another wireless HDMI transmitter to a plasma and I can game on the plasma as well.

It's wired like this and still works everytime I fire it up...

Gaming PC -> 1x2 HDMI splitter -> WiHDMI Transmitter -> WiHDMI Receiver -> AVR in -> AVR HDMI out 2 -> 1x4 HDMI Splitter -> WiHDMI Transmitter -> WiHDMI Receiver -> Plasma

(HDMI out 1 on the AVR drives the PJ while the 1x4 splitter also drives another local HT monitor and another PJ as needed when I run A/B's, trials and calibrations).

I can play on 6 different displays throughout my home from the same gaming pc.

Now sending to a basement could prove trickier and may indeed require direct lines (HDMI over Cat6) but I would suggest a trial of the multi-room wireless HDMI and then experiment with the position of the transmitter/receiver, you just might have your easy solution. If you can locate the transmitter/receiver somewhat close to each other through a wood floor then you'll likely have no issues.

Best of luck,
Jason

I might be going something like this route in the future. Which transmitter/receiver do you use? And what do you do for the controller?
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by curttard View Post

I might be going something like this route in the future. Which transmitter/receiver do you use? And what do you do for the controller?

The units that I use are no longer available but the newer ioGear multi-room units are very similar and for a controller you can use a wireless Microsoft (360 style) PC controller.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815290029

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823109243&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-PC+Game+Controllers-_-N82E16823109243&gclid=CODk_cqmo7UCFe5xQgod6TIAzg

Jason

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Edited by DaGamePimp - 2/6/13 at 10:33pm
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

for a controller you can use a wireless Microsoft (360 style) PC controller.


Jason

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So you're using one of those Microsoft transmitter things that plugs into the PC and lets you use the wireless controller. Are you connecting that transmitter directly to your PC, or do you have it on a long USB cable, so that it's closer to the center of the house or something ? Basically, what kind of range can you get with that thing ?
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by MarkcusD View Post

I use a 50ft hdmi cable and 49ft usb extender both from monoprice.


I use the same thing, but I haven't ran it up thru the crawl space yet. So I only use it when I have the house all to myself, and I can have the wires running all over the place. I need to get up in the crawl space and wire it properly, but just haven't found the drive to get it done.


Regarding the usb extender, are you daisy chaining two 25 foot extenders ? This is what I've tried to do, and the only problem is that in certain games, my wired 360 pad will start acting really weird. Some games simply won't work if i'm using two of the 25 foot extenders. If I'm using just one extender, then the controller normally works just perfectly.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

I use the same thing, but I haven't ran it up thru the crawl space yet. So I only use it when I have the house all to myself, and I can have the wires running all over the place. I need to get up in the crawl space and wire it properly, but just haven't found the drive to get it done.


Regarding the usb extender, are you daisy chaining two 25 foot extenders ? This is what I've tried to do, and the only problem is that in certain games, my wired 360 pad will start acting really weird. Some games simply won't work if i'm using two of the 25 foot extenders. If I'm using just one extender, then the controller normally works just perfectly.

If you are using 2 active extenders then each one uses some of the available 500ma of usb power. You are probably starving your wireless 360 adapter for power by using 2.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by Anthony1 View Post

So you're using one of those Microsoft transmitter things that plugs into the PC and lets you use the wireless controller. Are you connecting that transmitter directly to your PC, or do you have it on a long USB cable, so that it's closer to the center of the house or something ? Basically, what kind of range can you get with that thing ?

I would also like to know this. In my current setup my controller loses sync with my PC in the basement by the time I make it up to the ground floor. I could never use it up there or on the second floor.

edit: Ha. I posted this based on using it with my 360. As soon as I posted I realized I'd never tested it with the PC. Turns out it works fine from any floor or any room in the house.

So now the question is, now that I know PC games will work fine, how do I play my 360 games from other rooms if the wireless controller does NOT reach for that?
Edited by curttard - 8/9/13 at 12:07pm
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by darklordjames View Post

The correct answer is "continue to wait". Modern solutions suck, but videocard output compression is something that is in the process of becoming native to Nvidia cards and Steam . Then you just need a dirt-cheap PC or a custom CE box similar to a Roku/AppleTV for decoding on the TV side. It's all still pretty early stages, but we should have some reasonable solutions by this time next year.

The best solution today is: Build a second PC for the TV.

Punching holes in the walls and running long cables is not a solution. It's a kludge at best, and it's stating the obvious.


" I would assume the wireless solution won't work due to latency"

Wii U uses on-the-fly video encode and transmission and it is lower latency at 16ms than most people's HDMI cables to their HDTVs at 33ms. It's already proven that it can be done, it's just a question of whether anyone will deliver a quality solution for PC use. There are 1080p wireless HDMI extenders in the $200 range, but you would certainly want to research latency on any specific model before making a purchase. I would imagine being an outboard piece, that you add another 33ms or so, resulting in the final image being 4 frames behind the PC render. Compression artifacts may also be an issue.

To each his own but I think running cables is the best solutions. There is no point in wasting your precious wireless space and filling it up with useless interference for things that do not move. Wireless should be used for when things are mobile and therefore cannot be wired, not for anything else. Every item that you run wirelessly means any other items have more interference to overcome. Your wireless network will never be as good as it can be if you and your neighbors are pounding it with 1080p streams because you don't know how to drop a line between 2 stationary points. No In fact I see it exactly the opposite its funny you used the word Kluge because that is exactly what wireless is.

To the OP, I run an 2 HDMI cables from my office to my living room through the basement. (2 computers want to use the TV at various times) I then just put a USB 3.0 hub in the middle of the 2 locations and put xbox controller receiver and USB mouse / keyboards receiver into that. The main advantage is you can double down on the amount of money you spend on the "gaming rig/ HTPC/ workstation" and not need to manage more devices. Also if you have less than tech savvy family members they very much enjoy using the computer they are familiar with to do everything rather than different devices often with very different interfaces for each place.
post #14 of 14
I tend to agree with the above. Running wires would generally be the preferred method in terms of reliability, quality, and even cost.

However, one thing I've noticed is that the HDMI over cat6 solutions seem to suffer from interference. I haven't really heard similar complaints about the wireless HDMI devices.
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