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post #121 of 299
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Originally Posted by MrsMiniver View Post

I am a big fan of Pioneer Elite.

Does anyone know of Elite still has 6 channel input ?

unfortunately, for this year's models in the US, the multichannel analog inputs have been dropped. not even the top US model SC-79 has them. the new HDBaseT ethernet-HDMI connection is where the 7.1 inputs used to be. for the last few years, only the top model had them, none of the lower models.

if you are in Europe, you are in luck because Pioneer Europe/UK decided to keep the 7.1 analogs this year in their top model and wait out putting in HDBaseT. the European equivalent to the SC-79 is the SC-LX87 and it has them.

if you are in the US and truly need them, look to last year's SC-68, or older like the SC-57 or SC-37. be aware that even the models that had them no longer have analog-to-digital converters on the multichannel analogs so you can't add digital processing like PLIIx or even MCACC with them. pure direct mode only. the last model to have ADC's was the SC-27, about 4 model years ago. no receiver company puts ADC's on 7.1 analogs and mc analogs are gradually going away. Onkyo dropped them entirely last year. Denon, Marantz & Yamaha still have them. but if one reads T-leaves, don't be surprised if more drop them in 2014 wink.gif

btw- there are ADC's on 2 ch analog inputs so you can do all the digital processing you want on them smile.gif
post #122 of 299
Thanks for the response, even though somewhat aggressive in my opinion.rolleyes.gif Having only had the receiver for 3 days I am liking it more and more. I have some simple questions regarding MCACC so I will post those in the correct thread.
post #123 of 299
apologies for my reply. t-town-oil came up with your answer and I had missed that one. I posted right after his:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428526/the-official-pioneer-elite-sc-61-63-owners-forum/500_100#post_23746936

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428526/the-official-pioneer-elite-sc-61-63-owners-forum/500_100#post_23747001

I pride myself on my in-depth knowledge about Pioneer Elite AVR's over many years, as most here know, I'm a Pioneer enthusiast and active participant in Pioneer threads. but occasionally I miss something or am wrong. and this is one of those cases. I was wrong that you can't do this w/o having the reference volume adjustment. t-town knew how using the remote button so one of your issues is solved. using the remote bypasses the reference adjustment. now that I think about it, the app is just the GUI way to do the same thing as the remote button redface.gif

I'm sorry I missed this one. my apologies for not checking the manual a little more thoroughly last night before I replied.

clearly Pioneer has put in a way to do the adjustment for people who want to do it your way w/o the app. other than a minor, one time manual tweak, I just never change mine, preferring to keep it a calibrated, balanced setup. but you aren't me wink.gif

FYI - the diagram of the remote with the button labeled is on pg 12 in your manual.

and glad you're enjoying it smile.gif

nothing wrong with the Denon at all. in fact, if I were ever to change from Pioneer, it would be to a Denon flagship receiver or the top Marantz prepro. I seriously considered the now discontinued Denon AVP prepro about a yr ago.

my best advice is now that you are enjoying a basic setup is to gradually become familiar with the advanced features as you go. obviously, the manual will be your friend smile.gif
Edited by ss9001 - 9/18/13 at 5:34am
post #124 of 299
SS, thanks. Now the dilemma is whether I should upgrade from an SC-63 to a SC-72 for $200 more! Thoughts???

Thanks regarding the Channel level, but it looks like Channel Level button (6) requires you to see the receiver screen. I just wish there was a way to adjust the channel levels on the tv screen; however, like you said, this should be a rare occasion so I guess getting up and making the adjustment looking at the reciever is not the end of the world.
post #125 of 299
I just purchased the SC-71. It does not have 6.1.
post #126 of 299
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Originally Posted by Harmon Fan View Post

I just purchased the SC-71. It does not have 6.1.
That is correct as everything moved to 7.1 years ago.
post #127 of 299
If your current speaker configuration actually has only 1 surround-back speaker, you must connect it to the Surround-Back-Left output. (See page 22 under "Installing your Speaker system".) When you run the speaker calibration procedure it'll detect that only one speaker is present and will configure itself to send both rear-surround channels to that speaker.

Also, see page 20 of the owner's manual, where it says "it is also possible to only connect one of the Surround Back speakers", and page 21 shows where to place it.
post #128 of 299
Would you guys recommend the VSX-1023? Im replacing my Denon AVR-591 but wanted to see if any owners here had any insight. I wanted to grab the 1123 but its sold out at where I wanted to buy it ($459 paulstv)
post #129 of 299
I am trying to figure out if the VSX-823 has an A and B speaker zone.

I have a need for a 5.1 system in a media room, that will also play 2.1 music listening as well. Then I also want to switch to speakers B and play music outside on just a 2.0 channel, while leaving the media room silent. And I also want the option to play both A and B at the same time.

I did not see the A and B terminals on the rear screenshot of the VSX-823, but the manual does talk about an A and B setting.

Will the VSX-823 do all of what I am asking above?

Thanks.
post #130 of 299
I was referring to the 6.1 Analog inputs on the back for connecting the older SACD players. They are no longer there.
post #131 of 299

I need Straight talk on Pioneer Receivers ....im stuck between Denon & Pioneer ( any $500 & under model). I see people trashing pioneer because of its audio calibration format (MCACC). I always thought of pioneer as a very solid product. They seem to pack more features for the money and more power than Denon. Tell me Is the Audyssey audio Calibration really worth the extra bread?

post #132 of 299
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Originally Posted by Tunez20hz View Post

I need Straight talk on Pioneer Receivers ....im stuck between Denon & Pioneer ( any $500 & under model). I see people trashing pioneer because of its audio calibration format (MCACC). I always thought of pioneer as a very solid product. They seem to pack more features for the money and more power than Denon. Tell me Is the Audyssey audio Calibration really worth the extra bread?
ok..straight talk ..its not that big of a deal...don't be fooled by the set of noise out there ..Audyssey and MCACC.. is the same thing ..as is the others ( Auto Room Calibration) software...pioneer /denon/ yamaha/sony/and so on... all manufactures do it nowadays...but they go about it in different ways ..but the end result.. is the same Auto Room Calibration. Audyssey has its strengths and weaknesses...so those MCACC...." some people no matter what you give them they want more'' don't let the noise get to you ...if you like the pioneer go for it ... if you like the denon likewise ...but it comes down to sound quality and in that regard ..IMO pioneer wins..and yes i have had experience..with both pioneer and denon AVR'S .. now with my experience with using Audyssey and MCACC i like MCACC better ..than Audyssey ..i found MCACC easier to use ..i also like the EQ on the pioneer...now for me Bass management is not a big deal ..as i am just using one subwoofer ..but for others who may have multi ..subwoofers audyssey seem to be good on that ...for me MCACC is enough....but thats me......you will have to judge for yourself .. i no longer have AVR'S i upgraded to PRE/PRO ..and power amp.. i am running NAD-PRE/PRO ..and matching NAD power amp.. the processor uses Audyssey-XT .. well let me rap this one up.. listen i think you will love the pioneer or the denon which ever you buy... just do me a favour buy what you like ..and what meets your budget... don't let the noise get in your head ....biggrin.gif
post #133 of 299
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Originally Posted by pioneertop View Post

ok..straight talk ..its not that big of a deal...don't be fooled by the set of noise out there ..Audyssey and MCACC.. is the same thing ..as is the others ( Auto Room Calibration) software...pioneer /denon/ yamaha/sony/and so on... all manufactures do it nowadays...but they go about it in different ways ..but the end result.. is the same Auto Room Calibration. Audyssey has its strengths and weaknesses...so those MCACC...." some people no matter what you give them they want more'' don't let the noise get to you ...if you like the pioneer go for it ... if you like the denon likewise ...but it comes down to sound quality and in that regard ..IMO pioneer wins..and yes i have had experience..with both pioneer and denon AVR'S .. now with my experience with using Audyssey and MCACC i like MCACC better ..than Audyssey ..i found MCACC easier to use ..i also like the EQ on the pioneer...now for me Bass management is not a big deal ..as i am just using one subwoofer ..but for others who may have multi ..subwoofers audyssey seem to be good on that ...for me MCACC is enough....but thats me......you will have to judge for yourself .. i no longer have AVR'S i upgraded to PRE/PRO ..and power amp.. i am running NAD-PRE/PRO ..and matching NAD power amp.. the processor uses Audyssey-XT .. well let me rap this one up.. listen i think you will love the pioneer or the denon which ever you buy... just do me a favour buy what you like ..and what meets your budget... don't let the noise get in your head ....biggrin.gif

What he said. TBH, I don't like auto calibration - I think it sets levels too low, and makes the whole thing sound flat. You don't HAVE to use it - I far, far, prefer my Pioneer as I set it manually, by ear, than the result MCACC gave me. To me, you buy an amp for the sound it produces, not it's auto manipulation of levels and eq curves. The machine tells me this is the most accurate reproduction, my ears tell me it sounds bad. Who do you have to live with?
post #134 of 299

thanks for the pep talk im currently looking at a vsx-823k ($299 @ BB) or the vsx-1023k any thoughts?

post #135 of 299
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post


What he said. TBH, I don't like auto calibration - I think it sets levels too low, and makes the whole thing sound flat. You don't HAVE to use it - I far, far, prefer my Pioneer as I set it manually, by ear, than the result MCACC gave me. To me, you buy an amp for the sound it produces, not it's auto manipulation of levels and eq curves. The machine tells me this is the most accurate reproduction, my ears tell me it sounds bad. Who do you have to live with?

im currently looking at a vsx-823k ($299 @ BB) or the vsx-1023k any thoughts?

post #136 of 299
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Originally Posted by pioneertop View Post


ok..straight talk ..its not that big of a deal...don't be fooled by the set of noise out there ..Audyssey and MCACC.. is the same thing ..as is the others ( Auto Room Calibration) software...pioneer /denon/ yamaha/sony/and so on... all manufactures do it nowadays...but they go about it in different ways ..but the end result.. is the same Auto Room Calibration. Audyssey has its strengths and weaknesses...so those MCACC...." some people no matter what you give them they want more'' don't let the noise get to you ...if you like the pioneer go for it ... if you like the denon likewise ...but it comes down to sound quality and in that regard ..IMO pioneer wins..and yes i have had experience..with both pioneer and denon AVR'S .. now with my experience with using Audyssey and MCACC i like MCACC better ..than Audyssey ..i found MCACC easier to use ..i also like the EQ on the pioneer...now for me Bass management is not a big deal ..as i am just using one subwoofer ..but for others who may have multi ..subwoofers audyssey seem to be good on that ...for me MCACC is enough....but thats me......you will have to judge for yourself .. i no longer have AVR'S i upgraded to PRE/PRO ..and power amp.. i am running NAD-PRE/PRO ..and matching NAD power amp.. the processor uses Audyssey-XT .. well let me rap this one up.. listen i think you will love the pioneer or the denon which ever you buy... just do me a favour buy what you like ..and what meets your budget... don't let the noise get in your head ....biggrin.gif

Thanks for the pep talk im currently looking at a vsx-823k ($299 @ BB) or the vsx-1023k any thoughts?

post #137 of 299
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Originally Posted by Tunez20hz View Post

Thanks for the pep talk im currently looking at a vsx-823k ($299 @ BB) or the vsx-1023k any thoughts?
both are very good AVR'S @ their price points...what i can say about the VSX-1023 is that it packs a lot for the price ..and the sound quality is good to ...if you are into streaming media ,bluetooth,control apps , for your iphone and android ..then you will like the 1023-k ..(pound 4 pound ) its very hard to beat pioneer...you will have to spend more money for an equivalent AVR..
post #138 of 299
anyone have thoughts on vsk-1123 vs elite vsk-43? essentially just from a sound and build quality perspective? i have the sony bdp5100 that will play sacd so im looking for something with dsd not decoded to pcm capabilities. at least i think thats what im looking for! i dont really know if that matters much?

EDIT...disregard, after looking at specs it looks like i would need to step up to elite vsx-70
Edited by ljmart - 11/3/13 at 5:19pm
post #139 of 299
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Originally Posted by pioneertop View Post


both are very good AVR'S @ their price points...what i can say about the VSX-1023 is that it packs a lot for the price ..and the sound quality is good to ...if you are into streaming media ,bluetooth,control apps , for your iphone and android ..then you will like the 1023-k ..(pound 4 pound ) its very hard to beat pioneer...you will have to spend more money for an equivalent AVR..

Any Experience with "New Egg" they have an open box 1023k I dont mind paying full price at a local store but the price is attractive.

post #140 of 299
I recently purchased an SC-71 assuming that it was essentially the same as last year's SC 61. After a few days of testing, and comparing it with my HK AVR2600, I decided to return the SC-71, but before I did, I wanted to do a side by side comparison with an SC-61. Something was missing in the roll-off of the highs in the 71, and it seemed to have an almost too sharp and "antiseptic" sound that I did not get with the HK. I had heard the SC-61 previously, and it sounded great. I had not purchased one simply because it would not fit my rack (too deep). Thinking that there is a real difference, I found a New SC-63 this weekend at BB on clearance for just over $600. I decided to go ahead and purchase it. I spent yesterday doing some side-by-side testing just to see for myself if there was a difference. I did a reset on the 71 to change it back to factory settings. There is a difference! The 63 sounds more robust, and the highs are there. It does not seem to fall short with dynamic music at the peaks as the 71 did. That 7 pound difference may be in the power supply, and the newer supply simply cannot produce the sounds in the 71. Just my 2 cents. The SC 63 is a keeper. I was wondering if anyone else has had the same experience. As for the Video, both are great. I am seeing a lot of open box returns of the SC-71 on the BB website. Any thoughts?






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post #141 of 299
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Originally Posted by Tunez20hz View Post

im currently looking at a vsx-823k ($299 @ BB) or the vsx-1023k any thoughts?

depends on your needs - check the features on the 1023 vs the 823 - I'm sure it offers a few more things. maybe 7.1 vs 5.1, or 2nd room capability. If you don't need those, go for the cheaper unit. If you need more power, maybe the the 1023 offers that, but again, take a look at your needs. If you live in an apt with sensitive neighbors, and the room is small, with small satelite speakers, you may not need to pay more for more power. BTW, I saw the 823 on sale at newegg yesterday for $189.
post #142 of 299
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Originally Posted by jontyrees View Post


depends on your needs - check the features on the 1023 vs the 823 - I'm sure it offers a few more things. maybe 7.1 vs 5.1, or 2nd room capability. If you don't need those, go for the cheaper unit. If you need more power, maybe the the 1023 offers that, but again, take a look at your needs. If you live in an apt with sensitive neighbors, and the room is small, with small satelite speakers, you may not need to pay more for more power. BTW, I saw the 823 on sale at newegg yesterday for $189.

Thanks .....I was trying to find out if anyone here had any experience with new egg.  I've also seen some great deals there but never purchased because I didnt know if they were a trustworthy site.

post #143 of 299
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Thanks .....I was trying to find out if anyone here had any experience with new egg.  I've also seen some great deals there but never purchased because I didnt know if they were a trustworthy site.

I've bought from them before - they are a well respected online retailer. Now I haven't bought anything major from them - just headphones, some other stuff, so I can't really comment on their receivers, but they are a legit operation.
post #144 of 299
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Thanks for the pep talk im currently looking at a vsx-823k ($299 @ BB) or the vsx-1023k any thoughts?

Wow. I have the exact same question, in effect. Would there be any difference in sound?

I have looked at the specs up and down and cannot figure out if anything is different between these two boxes besides the inputs and the price.

I've had a VSX 1014TX for a handful of years and am now upgrading to the HDMI world, and the VSX -1023-K has the inputs to cover my whole system's needs. However, I'm adding a new system to the bedroom which will have far fewer components attached. I was thinking that I'd save some bucks if I bought the VSX-823-K instead of a second 1023-K.

So… can anyone speak to any differences in sound quality?

Regards,

Brent
post #145 of 299
There shouldn't be much, if any, difference in sound quality. They both have the basic version of MCACC and similar amp sections with the 1023 being 7 channel instead of 5. The 1123 very well might have better sound quality with Advanced MCACC. The 1014 is actually a decendant of the 11xx series and not the 10xx of today. The 1014 prabaly has a much stronger amp section and is much heavier then the 1023. But you may not need/notice any extra Umph! the 1014 might have. But new receivers are packed with new features for about the same price as receivers of yester-year. Something had to give and it was probably the amp section.

Definently check and see if you need the extra features (Qdeo, PC Control, Speaker A/B, Powered Zone2) or 2 extra channels.

I had a 1014 a few years ago. Much like the Onkyo 805, it was a over-achiever in it's day.
post #146 of 299
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Originally Posted by gene c353 View Post

There shouldn't be much, if any, difference in sound quality. They both have the basic version of MCACC and similar amp sections with the 1023 being 7 channel instead of 5. The 1123 very well might have better sound quality with Advanced MCACC. The 1014 is actually a decendant of the 11xx series and not the 10xx of today. The 1014 prabaly has a much stronger amp section and is much heavier then the 1023. But you may not need/notice any extra Umph! the 1014 might have. But new receivers are packed with new features for about the same price as receivers of yester-year. Something had to give and it was probably the amp section.

Definently check and see if you need the extra features (Qdeo, PC Control, Speaker A/B, Powered Zone2) or 2 extra channels.

I had a 1014 a few years ago. Much like the Onkyo 805, it was a over-achiever in it's day.

Thanks, Gene!

I certainly don't need more than 5.1 for the bedroom, but now you have me wondering if I should shoot for the 1123 instead of the 1023 for replacing my 1014. Then again, I rarely have to the chance to give the 1014 the push on any extra umph!
post #147 of 299
Your welcome neighbor!

If your not afraid to used look for a 3-4 year old model. there's a vsx-23 on Craigslist in the City for $200. I have one and it's a great receiver. I buy all my stuff on the used market.

I think the 1123 is worth the extra money.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/Home/VSX-1123-K%20Single%20Sheet_spotify.pdf

items in Bold are upgrades over the 1023. Lots of stuff there.
post #148 of 299
Ah, now you have me thinking I should go for the 1123...! Is it the same as the Elite VSX-70? I'm working on a package deal with a dealer (including some other things), and he can only sell the Elite line.

That said, I could drop the receivers from the order. Some of the package should survive!
post #149 of 299
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Originally Posted by gene c353 View Post


If your not afraid to used look for a 3-4 year old model. there's a vsx-23 on Craigslist in the City for $200. I have one and it's a great receiver. I buy all my stuff on the used market.

Oh, I checked on that used receiver. The guy said it had some funkiness with the sound following the input when changing between HDMI sources. Example: he'd switch to an HDMI- BluRay player, and until he turned his receiver off and then on again, it wouldn't recognize the sound coming over HDMI from the Blu-Ray.

Does that match your experience?
post #150 of 299
Idon't know about the "funkiness in the sound" but not recognizing the sound when changing inputs sounds like a handshake issue. I've never had any issues with my vsx-23 or any other Pioneer receiver I've had over the years. But then again, I've been pretty lucky. I've bought and sold 15-18 receivers (most brands except Yamaha) off ebay/craigslist/audiogon and so for I haven't had any problems with any of them..
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