Originally Posted by MCF34
...no way to tweak channel levels without going into the menu system and having the reciever crank volume to reference level and put test tone out of front left channel. 1. Doesn't anyone else find this unacceptable?
I don't mind so much going into the menu too much, 2. but being forced to have recieved volume cranked to reference level and then quickly turn it down is just plain dumb.
I have an offer to have a Denon X4000 shipped to me for $900. 3. Perhaps I should give it a try.
1. no. Pioneer has ALWAYS been that way since early 2000's. You are NOT supposed to need
to adjust channel levels all the time. That's what the calibration is for
2. not dumb at all. the "dumb" thing is what you are trying to do with it!
it's not a balance control.
you don't seem to understand why the manual adjustment is there and its purpose. it sets each preamp channel level so that each speaker volume is at reference level of 0.0 dB
. that's what ALL room EQ systems do
. if it didn't set the volume to 0.0 dB, it wouldn't be doing it correctly. all room correction systems in receivers work the same way - Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha and others all do this the same way. read all the manuals. NONE will do it the way you seem to want it.
that's why Pioneer gave you the ability in the app to adjust the balance on the fly so you wouldn't have to screw with the basic calibration. there are professional calibrators & enthusiasts who like to use a SPL sound level meter from Radio Shack or similar and set the levels manually. that is the intended purpose for manually setting channel levels. and some like to make a minor tweak once the auto MCACC is done if the center or surrounds are a bit too low or too high in a particular setup. all room EQ systems use reference level volume for setting channel levels, adjusting them based on the pink-white noise tone as offsets from 0.0 dB. once you have it dialed in, there really isn't any need to constantly adjust it.
3. maybe you should.
what you seek is counter-intuitive to what the room correction system is designed to do, which is to set all levels to be the same volume at the listening position so you have a balanced, seamless soundfield. what you want is a glorified balance control and you already have that in the app! so why are you complaining?
instead of continuing to complain about your Pioneer, you should check out Denon & Onkyo. Since you claim not to like the way Audyssey sounded, I'm not sure what you think will be better in the Denon. up to you to decide, but decide on facts not notions about what you think
a feature should do.
with Audyssey, you will have NO
control over anything in the EQ. your choices with Audyssey are 3. apply the recommended filters, a flat EQ setting, or turn it off. there is a manual graphic EQ as an alternative to Audyssey's correction but if you think Pioneer MCACC doesn't have adequate adjustment capability, be advised you will have FAR LESS
ability to change things using Audyssey. read the Denon manual thoroughly and judge for yourself.
many here like & prefer Audyssey for various reasons. but adjustability is not one of them. because you won't have very much. that is one area where Pioneer has it over Audyssey.
before you decide another mfg is better, you better do some homework because it's obvious you could learn more about each brand & how they implement features. you seemed all set to jump to Onkyo but said you didn't like the way Denon-Audyssey sounded, maybe not realizing that both use Audyssey.Edited by ss9001 - 9/17/13 at 5:39pm