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post #91 of 299
Does anyone know if the SC models have the volume etc overlay as well? I dont see it on the page, only the 823-1123.
post #92 of 299
A local shop has a SC - 68 for $1900. Is there any reason to wait for the SC - 79? I dont need extra power and not sure what I would use the HDbaseT.

It was down between the Denon 4520 and the SC 68. I think the $600 difference makes the case for the SC 68. Am I missing something?
post #93 of 299
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I doubt optical will make any difference. What volume level are you listening to? Please keep in mind that the volumes are calibrated to reference levels. So, it may not be the same as your previous uncalibrated receiver.
What do you mean by volume level, the dB level on the receiver? I just played a few minutes of Terminator two since I love the opening scenes and I always loved the sound and know very well how it is supposed to sound. I set the level to -20dB. The dialogues were nice and clear and loud. However, the rest of the sounds were very flat. I know that most people would almost jump out of their chair when the terminator steps on the skull and crush it when it is set to the same level, but there was almost nothing coming from the surround speakers. It almost doesn't sound like it was calibrated correctly when I set it up (I used the automatic calibration). The room the stereo is in has poor acoustics and a lot of windows so this doesn't help, but I hope I can at least get the vsx-70 to sound as good as the old yamaha.
post #94 of 299
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Originally Posted by Oldstate View Post

A local shop has a SC - 68 for $1900. Is there any reason to wait for the SC - 79? I dont need extra power and not sure what I would use the HDbaseT.

It was down between the Denon 4520 and the SC 68. I think the $600 difference makes the case for the SC 68. Am I missing something?

It looks like you're comparing list prices. Be sure to call an authorized Denon dealer to get the actual cost of a 4520. It's likely to be much closer to the Pioneer's price than you expect.
post #95 of 299
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

It looks like you're comparing list prices. Be sure to call an authorized Denon dealer to get the actual cost of a 4520. It's likely to be much closer to the Pioneer's price than you expect.

They didnt have either model in stock but are authorized dealers for both. I asked them to order the receiver. They have all the other models up to the flagship one on hand. I didn't ask about the price of the Denon but I will. I have not seen the price below list anywhere online from authorized dealers for the 4520

They said I could change to the Denon if I wanted.
Edited by Oldstate - 6/25/13 at 3:44am
post #96 of 299
Authorized dealers are not allowed to publicly mention anything other than list price. However, authorized internet resellers can quote a substantial discount when you contact them directly. A local brick-and-mortar store has more overhead and usually can't quote quite as low a price, but can provide other services that an internet dealer can't -- like a loaner if a system has to be shipped back for repairs, and handling that shipping for you.
post #97 of 299
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Authorized dealers are not allowed to publicly mention anything other than list price. However, authorized internet resellers can quote a substantial discount when you contact them directly. A local brick-and-mortar store has more overhead and usually can't quote quite as low a price, but can provide other services that an internet dealer can't -- like a loaner if a system has to be shipped back for repairs, and handling that shipping for you.

You are right! They quoted me the same price for both. Tougher call now
Edited by Oldstate - 6/26/13 at 4:40pm
post #98 of 299
They're both excellent receivers, with different advantages and disadvantages. You'll have to go through their features carefully to decide which is more appropriate for you. Have fun!
post #99 of 299
Hi all...

I purchased a VSX 1122k about 9 months ago.
The HDMI board has failed and it is in for repair.
The repair time is several weeks out, so I have been given an option to exchange.

I can exchange to the VSX 1123k for no cost or can upgrade to the Elite VSX 70 for $100.
The 1122 was more than enough for my needs.

What are the opinions?
Is an entry level Elite worth $100?
I'm not sure I see much difference between the 2 models.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
post #100 of 299
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Originally Posted by RikkiS View Post

Hi all...

I purchased a VSX 1122k about 9 months ago.
The HDMI board has failed and it is in for repair.
The repair time is several weeks out, so I have been given an option to exchange.

I can exchange to the VSX 1123k for no cost or can upgrade to the Elite VSX 70 for $100.
The 1122 was more than enough for my needs.

What are the opinions?
Is an entry level Elite worth $100?
I'm not sure I see much difference between the 2 models.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
One major difference the Elite has a longer warranty.
post #101 of 299
Has anyone tried to run 4ohm speakers with the 523? I'm looking at it to run a pair of CSS WR.30's which are 4ohm, or a little higher.
post #102 of 299
Just got the VSX-823-k receiver the other day but having some issues with it...


My set up includes the following...

VSX-823-k receiver
Vivitek D530 projector
WD Live Media Player
Nintendo Wii
Samsung SD TV

I have other input devices but they aren't important as they have svideo output and I'm only using the receiver for sound via optical input.

I'm having issues with reliably getting the inputs to display through the projector.

The WD Live is connected to the receiver via HDMI cable
The receiver is connected to the projector via HDMI cable.
The Wii is connected to the composite inputs on the receiver (it doesn't have an HDMI option).
The TV is connected to the composite output monitor.

I've tested the cables, the WD hooked to the projector with any of my HDMI cables works fine.
The Wii works fine connected to the TV.
When I put the receiver to network radio the projector displays the generated content.

About 5-10% of the time I can get the output from the WD onto the projector through the receiver but first I have to put the receiver to network radio and wait for the projector to detect it then switch to the input I've plugged the WD into on the back of the receiver (I've been trying multiple inputs).

I've never been able to display anything on the SDTV via the receiver. I've tried disconnecting everything but the Wii and the SDTV from the receiver. I've tried both the composite inputs on the back of the receiver.

I tried writing Pioneer for tech support last week but I have yet to hear anything from them.

Did I get a bum receiver?
post #103 of 299
For the last bunch of years, I have been using a hard-wired connection from my PC to two Sony 400 CD changers that allows me to pick and choose CDs to play through a computer software program/interface. I see that the VSX-823 model (and higher) can be networked and that they can play FLAC files from USB connected sources.

Would I be able to network the VSX-823 and then, using my PC, select the music from a USB device plugged in to the receiver and have it play through the stereo (not through the PC)?

Others have said that I can do this using a smartphone or tablet, but I'd like to be able to pick music using a PC interface.

R
post #104 of 299
Has anyone upgraded from the SC61 to the SC71? I understand that the quality has gone down with the SC71. I am looking at the SC 71 due to the depth reduction in size but i do not want to sacrifice sound if there is a difference.
post #105 of 299
Well I ended up calling Pioneer tech support. Twice. The first guy tried to dismiss the problem with my WD Live TV not displaying as the length of my cables, and didn't even discuss the RCA analog video problem... I tried with shorter cables and had the same problem, called them back, the second guy had no solution for the RCA problem and said because I was having problem with HDMI on the WD live that it was the receiver. I never did hear back about the email I sent.

So I exchanged the unit.

Got the replacement unit home, the HDMI is working fine now. How ever still having problems with the RCA analog video (the audio always worked). My Nintendo Wii is the only thing that uses the RCA connection so i figured I would just get a HDMI adaptor for the Wii and live with the not functioning analog (sound part worked fine). Ironically the day the HDMI adaptor arrived for the Wii I was playing around with the settings and found a setting for the cd input to be analog or digital... i flipped it from analog to digital and the RCA video started working... this isn't in the manual, it's a pdf and I not only read it start to finish but I did key word searches and found nothing referring to this issue.
post #106 of 299
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Originally Posted by robertazimmerman View Post

For the last bunch of years, I have been using a hard-wired connection from my PC to two Sony 400 CD changers that allows me to pick and choose CDs to play through a computer software program/interface. I see that the VSX-823 model (and higher) can be networked and that they can play FLAC files from USB connected sources.

Would I be able to network the VSX-823 and then, using my PC, select the music from a USB device plugged in to the receiver and have it play through the stereo (not through the PC)?

Others have said that I can do this using a smartphone or tablet, but I'd like to be able to pick music using a PC interface.

R


You can sort of... you can use iTunes airplay, so technically you're playing from the computer to the receiver over the network and your computer would have to have access to the files
post #107 of 299
I just purchased a SC-63 for $650 on clearance. Hooked it up yesterday and am very pleased with sound doing nothing more than manually setting SP levels and speaker distances. One thing I am VERY disappointed in is lack of GUI and OSD. Do any of the newew models offer a descent GUI and OSD (i.e. so you can see the volume adjustment on the tv screen and pull up 'overlays' while watching source materials and adjust speaker levels,etc. on the screen while watching something)? I had a Denon a couple years ago and you could do just about anything on the tv screen while watching something. Very useful so you don't have to get up and look at the little window on the receiver. Thanks!
post #108 of 299
The SC-68 has GUI/OSD. Since I don't own your model I can't say for sure but since last year and all the posts, I thought it did.

If it's there, you should see a small black window in the lower right with volume, surround mode selected, IIRC, source, and in the same window, when menu items like audio & video parameters are selected by remote buttons, then you'll see each one.

And this is all over HDMI. No other connections needed or menu settings changed to see it. If you don't see it, well maybe that model doesn't have it...

check your manual thoroughly for references to OSD and also ask in the SC-63/SC-65 model threads. more owners may see your post and respond. while I have all the SC model manuals, I don't have time now to hunt thru yours.
post #109 of 299
Thanks. That is what I am looking for. The SC-63 does not have that which is very disappointing.
post #110 of 299
After researching and listening to the difference in the SC61 and the SC71, I decided to go ahead and purchase the SC71. There are not many changes to earlier receivers and the GUI is the same as I have seen on the VSX60 last year. The sound is great! The video is also great. I have always been a HK fan, and have been a little disappointed that HK still does not put Standby Passthru in their receivers. So far, since April, I have been in search of a receiver that is of equal sound quality to my old HK635. I found that the SC61, and the SC1222 was too deep to fit in my rack, and I was almost ready to replace the rack, but I waited to see if there was a size difference in the 2013 SC Elite series. I discovered that the 71 is about two inches shorter than the SC61. It worked in my rack, and that was the main reason that I chose the 71. In side-by-side test, the61 and the 71 were nearly identical with the SC71 sounding a bit warmer. Since I do not need pre-outs, I am fine with the reduction in those this year. Set-up is a breeze, especially if you are familiar with Pioneer. I am not sure what I am sacrificing in the weight difference of the 71 and 72. I am very pleased with the sound and can find no roll-off problems with the highs while listening to my music that I experienced with Denon.

In the last months, and thanks to the encouragement of the BB staff, I have tried the following receivers and returned them. Denon AVR1913, AVR2313, AVR3313, HK1710, Pioneer SC1222, Elite VSX60, Marantz SR5007, SR6007. None of these gave me the sound that I was wanting to hear. I note that The SC1222 had a raw, unrefined music sound that I did not hear in any of the elite receivers.
I normally listen to my CD's through analog settings and take advantage to the DACs in the players, however I decided to also purchase the BDP62FD that was on clearance. Knowning that it does not include analog outputs, I did not expect it to sound as good using the receiver DAC. I was surprised, doing side by side test that I really could not hear any audible difference. It sounds great.

I have found the sound that I am looking for with the SC71.

Equipment
SC-71
BDP62FD
Paradigm Reference Millenia 200 Fronts, Millenia 20 Center, ADP rear, BA Sub
Audioquest Cables and Speaker wire.
post #111 of 299
I am also looking to replace my AVR635...that thing is a beast! I currently have the SC-63 in my rack and am considering giving the Denon X4000 a shot. Problem is I only paid $650 for the SC-63 and best price I have been quoted for the X4000 is $1099 delivered. That goes from getting 50% off a receiver to only 15% off. Did you ever consider a 'high end' Denon with the XT32? I have not even attempted to mess with MCACC.
post #112 of 299
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

I am also looking to replace my AVR635...that thing is a beast! I currently have the SC-63 in my rack and am considering giving the Denon X4000 a shot. Problem is I only paid $650 for the SC-63 and best price I have been quoted for the X4000 is $1099 delivered. That goes from getting 50% off a receiver to only 15% off. Did you ever consider a 'high end' Denon with the XT32? I have not even attempted to mess with MCACC.
There is a MCACC thread with plenty of support you at least owe it to yourself to give it a try.
post #113 of 299
You are right, the AVR635 is a real beast, and I have yet to find anything that provides me with the great sound. When I took it out of the line, my wife immediately set up a Kitchen system with the AVR635. The only reason I pulled it was to update to HDMI. The MCACC does make a lot of difference and I have found it to be better than the HK version that was in the 635, and I also prefer it to the
Denon and Marantz versions of room correction for my application. My system is in a library , full of wood walls, ceilings, and shelves so it is not an ideal location for sound. I have not heard a system with the XT32 room correction. The only new X series Denon that I have heard is the 3000. It seemed to have the same problems that the other Denons had with it never seemed to reach the highs that the AVR635 could. The SC71 does reach those highs with little effort. I have a series of CD's that I test the units with. Just my opinion.
post #114 of 299
I forgot to add, I was told by the Denon folks that the X4000 is almost exactly the same as the 3313
post #115 of 299
I think I may be able to live without the OSD with the SC-63 because I really like the way it sounds (most important thing). Is there a way to adjust the Channel levels in the Home Menu without having the receiving increase the volume to reference level (0.0)? I know I can use button 6 to adjust the channel levels at the receiver itself, but would at least like to be able to adjust the channel level via the home menu without having the receiver increase master volume to such a high level. Thoughts/suggestions? The reason I would like to do this is so I could perhaps adjust the surround channels, sub or center channel during a movie. I don't mind pausing a movie to get into home menu and adjust channel level on the screen but each time I attempt this it does the count down and increases master volume to 0 and only THEN will allow me to adjust the channel levels. Thanks!
post #116 of 299
Can someone help me out regarding SC-71 and SC-72. I don't see a big difference between the two. I don't use Zone 2 but is the SC-72 more robust with amps and power supply? Also, does the SC-72 allow you to pull up an OSD on the screen while watching something and view status of channels and actually adjust channels? Can you see volume adjustment on the screen with the SC-72? Thanks!
post #117 of 299
^^
the i-Control app will allow you to adjust levels (balance) on the fly on your SC-61 or SC-63 (whichever one you own) without going thru the manual speaker settings and having it reset the volume to reference level.
post #118 of 299
Thanks. I have the i control app and agree it is pretty neat and allows you to adjust gain to center and sub and shift entire balance, but it does not allow you to tweak individual channels. And what if I don't have my phone or Ipad nearby while watching a movie and only have remote control? So what I am finding out is that there is no way to tweak channel levels without going into the menu system and having the reciever crank volume to reference level and put test tone out of front left channel. Even with SC-71 and SC-72 are the same. Doesn't anyone else find this unacceptable? I don't mind so much going into the menu too much, but being forced to have recieved volume cranked to reference level and then quickly turn it down is just plain dumb. I have an offer to have a Denon X4000 shipped to me for $900. Perhaps I should give it a try.
post #119 of 299
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Originally Posted by MCF34 View Post

...no way to tweak channel levels without going into the menu system and having the reciever crank volume to reference level and put test tone out of front left channel. 1. Doesn't anyone else find this unacceptable? I don't mind so much going into the menu too much, 2. but being forced to have recieved volume cranked to reference level and then quickly turn it down is just plain dumb. I have an offer to have a Denon X4000 shipped to me for $900. 3. Perhaps I should give it a try.

1. no. Pioneer has ALWAYS been that way since early 2000's. You are NOT supposed to need to adjust channel levels all the time. That's what the calibration is for rolleyes.gif

2. not dumb at all. the "dumb" thing is what you are trying to do with it! wink.gif it's not a balance control.

you don't seem to understand why the manual adjustment is there and its purpose. it sets each preamp channel level so that each speaker volume is at reference level of 0.0 dB. that's what ALL room EQ systems do. if it didn't set the volume to 0.0 dB, it wouldn't be doing it correctly. all room correction systems in receivers work the same way - Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha and others all do this the same way. read all the manuals. NONE will do it the way you seem to want it.

that's why Pioneer gave you the ability in the app to adjust the balance on the fly so you wouldn't have to screw with the basic calibration. there are professional calibrators & enthusiasts who like to use a SPL sound level meter from Radio Shack or similar and set the levels manually. that is the intended purpose for manually setting channel levels. and some like to make a minor tweak once the auto MCACC is done if the center or surrounds are a bit too low or too high in a particular setup. all room EQ systems use reference level volume for setting channel levels, adjusting them based on the pink-white noise tone as offsets from 0.0 dB. once you have it dialed in, there really isn't any need to constantly adjust it.

3. maybe you should.

what you seek is counter-intuitive to what the room correction system is designed to do, which is to set all levels to be the same volume at the listening position so you have a balanced, seamless soundfield. what you want is a glorified balance control and you already have that in the app! so why are you complaining?

instead of continuing to complain about your Pioneer, you should check out Denon & Onkyo. Since you claim not to like the way Audyssey sounded, I'm not sure what you think will be better in the Denon. up to you to decide, but decide on facts not notions about what you think a feature should do.

with Audyssey, you will have NO control over anything in the EQ. your choices with Audyssey are 3. apply the recommended filters, a flat EQ setting, or turn it off. there is a manual graphic EQ as an alternative to Audyssey's correction but if you think Pioneer MCACC doesn't have adequate adjustment capability, be advised you will have FAR LESS ability to change things using Audyssey. read the Denon manual thoroughly and judge for yourself.

many here like & prefer Audyssey for various reasons. but adjustability is not one of them. because you won't have very much. that is one area where Pioneer has it over Audyssey.

before you decide another mfg is better, you better do some homework because it's obvious you could learn more about each brand & how they implement features. you seemed all set to jump to Onkyo but said you didn't like the way Denon-Audyssey sounded, maybe not realizing that both use Audyssey.
Edited by ss9001 - 9/17/13 at 5:39pm
post #120 of 299
I am a big fan of Pioneer Elite.

Does anyone know of Elite still has 6 channel input ?
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