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post #301 of 492
Wow! I'm not even part of this group buy and am confused on who Jake (the guy with the 18s is). Hes been pointed out as Chop and then this other guy FHL says hes Jake. Ya'll are getting it easy if only $140 is the issue. The $5 per person idea should have been the easiest way for "Jake" not to get screwed. But a company that just sold $20k in product should have ate that too!
post #302 of 492
I wanted it to be clear that I have taken no orders for this BMS group buy, or done anything up to this point. I don't even know what's been ordered or when it's coming.

In the beginning I said I would help break down the pallet once it arrives and ship everything to the individual forum members. I will be doing this 100% for free, except for a shipping box if needed. Other than that, I have nothing to do with whatever else is happening.

Basically, if the pallet arrives, I will help package and ship it.


If the woofers causing the hold up are the ones going to Norway, can't BMS simply ship them directly to him in his own country? Wouldn't that be cheaper for him and also get this thing back on track?
Edited by Erich H - 3/19/13 at 6:35am
post #303 of 492
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Wow! I'm not even part of this group buy and am confused on who Jake (the guy with the 18s is). Hes been pointed out as Chop and then this other guy FHL says hes Jake. Ya'll are getting it easy if only $140 is the issue. The $5 per person idea should have been the easiest way for "Jake" not to get screwed. But a company that just sold $20k in product should have ate that too!

It's a little known secret that 75% of the AVS members are named Jake. smile.gif

I was a little confused too. I hope everyone has stepped back from the ledge a bit. I don't think anybody was trying to screw anybody and it was just some crossed signals.

I'm looking forward to my 4550's and I appreciate the efforts of Jack (the BMS rep for US), Jake (aka ChopShop who initiated the GB) and Erich (who is crazy enough to spend his time to get us a nice price cut). Thanks guys.
post #304 of 492
OK, just waiting to hear back from the OP, to see if he wants back in.
Then BMS is ready to ship without the 18" speakers. I will get those in to
me, and ship them directly to Frode.

Regards, Jack
post #305 of 492
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

If the woofers causing the hold up are the ones going to Norway, can't BMS simply ship them directly to him in his own country? Wouldn't that be cheaper for him and also get this thing back on track?

Glad to say we are back on track.

Point here, I can't ship to Norway, it is out of my distributor boundaries.
Where you ship is none of my concern. It is anticipated that you will be an international vendor.

Regards, Jack
post #306 of 492
Thread Starter 
Glad to hear it, I will be in touch shortly. Jack you can invoice me for my order again. thanks
post #307 of 492
Hello Everyone,
After experiencing some problems with Paypal, Chopshop has opted out until the next round.
The PO is in, and the shipment leaves tomorrow.
I will post when I have an AWB.

Regards, Jack
post #308 of 492
Bummer. Sorry to hear that Jake.

Thanks for the update.
post #309 of 492
Hi all, the AWB# for the shipment is 037-48650162

I think it will be in Cincinnati, and cleared customs early next week.
If someone is in contact with Erich it would be good for him to know this, as he will be picking it up from the clearance warehouse.

Regards, Jack
post #310 of 492
Yes, someone please keep me in the loop because I have no idea who ordered what or what's coming when. I thought they were going to be delivering it directly to me, but I'll wait to see what happens.
post #311 of 492
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Originally Posted by Jack Arnott View Post

Hi all, the AWB# for the shipment is 037-48650162

I think it will be in Cincinnati, and cleared customs early next week.
If someone is in contact with Erich it would be good for him to know this, as he will be picking it up from the clearance warehouse.

Regards, Jack

That's awesome Jack. Thanks for the update.

Erich, I thought they were coming directly to you as well. If you need to charge a few extra bucks for pickup let me know.

Travis
post #312 of 492
This has to be one of the most interesting group buys ever. The guy that spearheaded the effort and was going to be responsible for about a third of the $20k MSRP total all by himself is out, and the guy receiving the pallet has no idea when, where, or any details about who bought what (and has no vested interest in the items and actually sells compression drivers that compete with some of the BMS). Wow.
post #313 of 492
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Originally Posted by Aaron Smith View Post

This has to be one of the most interesting group buys ever. The guy that spearheaded the effort and was going to be responsible for about a third of the $20k MSRP total all by himself is out, and the guy receiving the pallet has no idea when, where, or any details about who bought what (and has no vested interest in the items and actually sells compression drivers that compete with some of the BMS). Wow.

Well now that you put it that way................................ that is all sorts of crazy. biggrin.gif
post #314 of 492
Erich

I live in Indy. I would love to come up to Cincy and help pick up, sorting who's drivers are who's and arranging for delivery if that helps. I know it's not much but I can at least offer a day of my time for whatever might help the effort. I could also pick up my measley 2-4550's that are part of the buy. If it helps anyone else involved I could bring anything back to the Indy area as well.

Just a thought as you have been most gracious with this effort as well as everything else! I also want to order two SEOS 15's or 18's as well. Not sure what mates the best with the TD15M yet.

Let me know! Thanks.

Brian
post #315 of 492
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Erich

I live in Indy. I would love to come up to Cincy and help pick up, sorting who's drivers are who's and arranging for delivery if that helps. I know it's not much but I can at least offer a day of my time for whatever might help the effort. I could also pick up my measley 2-4550's that are part of the buy. If it helps anyone else involved I could bring anything back to the Indy area as well.

Just a thought as you have been most gracious with this effort as well as everything else! I also want to order two SEOS 15's or 18's as well. Not sure what mates the best with the TD15M yet.

Let me know! Thanks.

Brian

That's awesome Brian.

On a side note; both the SEOS15 and 12 will work with the TD15. The 15's are tough to come by, I've tried. smile.gif
post #316 of 492
I'm hoping it won't be too hard to get everything packaged up, but then again, I have no idea what's coming either.

The SEOS-15's are hard to come by at the moment. As mentioned, if there was enough demand.......I'd consider the plastic again. We could set it up like the previous preorder on the SEOS-12. They would be done faster than the next group buy pallet of fiberglass models. I'd guess that the price would be around $35 or so.
post #317 of 492
Erich,

What is the probability of putting together a SEOS15 deal and how far out? I know that's asking for a lot of speculation, but a ballpark would work.
post #318 of 492
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

That's awesome Brian.

On a side note; both the SEOS15 and 12 will work with the TD15. The 15's are tough to come by, I've tried. smile.gif

Thanks for the comments. i am not in a super hurry, but then again with everything starting to come together with all of these group buys, i am getting excited for the build. I also scored a festool tracksaw so i have almost everything i need.

I have read on a few threads by the "Experts" that the SEOS 18 matches up better with the 15" woofer and the SEOS 15 matches up better with the 12. I am interested to know any thoughts on this.


I know very little, so I am just trying to stand on the shoulders of giants here. I am planning to go active on the crossover and just looking for the best speakers for music that I can build using the SEOS and TD15M.
post #319 of 492
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Originally Posted by Erich H View Post

I'm hoping it won't be too hard to get everything packaged up, but then again, I have no idea what's coming either.

The SEOS-15's are hard to come by at the moment. As mentioned, if there was enough demand.......I'd consider the plastic again. We could set it up like the previous preorder on the SEOS-12. They would be done faster than the next group buy pallet of fiberglass models. I'd guess that the price would be around $35 or so.

How many plastic 15's would we need to order for it to make sense? Are you still thinking about a kickstarter for the plastic 15? What kind of costs are we talking about here?
post #320 of 492
I'm interested in the SEOS 15 as well which would probably provide a better directivity profile match for the TD15Ms I ordered. I also think they would look better since the sizes match and the speaker would look more symmetrical.
post #321 of 492
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Thanks for the comments. i am not in a super hurry, but then again with everything starting to come together with all of these group buys, i am getting excited for the build. I also scored a festool tracksaw so i have almost everything i need.

I have read on a few threads by the "Experts" that the SEOS 18 matches up better with the 15" woofer and the SEOS 15 matches up better with the 12. I am interested to know any thoughts on this.

Actually, from a couple guys that have tested the SEOS15 with TD15m, it was mentioned that it was a lot tougher for them to play nice together than say the TD12 with SEOS12. You don't see the TD15 with SEOS12 combo much (I don't think I recall ever seeing it), but if it performs anything like the Sentinal you have nothing to worry about.
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I'm interested in the SEOS 15 as well which would probably provide a better directivity profile match for the TD15Ms I ordered. I also think they would look better since the sizes match and the speaker would look more symmetrical.

I thought so too, but John was pretty emphatic that unless you had a very wide listening area, the SEOS12 would work just fine with the TD15.

I'm more than happy to "settle" for the 12, but would obviously prefer the 15 should it be available.
post #322 of 492
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Thanks for the comments. i am not in a super hurry, but then again with everything starting to come together with all of these group buys, i am getting excited for the build. I also scored a festool tracksaw so i have almost everything i need.

I have the dewalt track saw with different size tracks and router attachment. If you have an 8' by 4' working table or saw horses with scrap 4x8' sheet on top to them then this tool is far better for a one person job than any non industrial table saw, imo. I haven't used my table saw since buying the track saw. It's just so easy for one person and has saved me many hours. I built one of my amp racks (copy of mid Atlantic) in less time than it took me to spray it with paint.
post #323 of 492
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I have the dewalt track saw with different size tracks and router attachment. If you have an 8' by 4' working table or saw horses with scrap 4x8' sheet on top to them then this tool is far better for a one person job than any non industrial table saw, imo. I haven't used my table saw since buying the track saw. It's just so easy for one person and has saved me many hours. I built one of my amp racks (copy of mid Atlantic) in less time than it took me to spray it with paint.

There are many times I wish I had a track saw. While my TS is great, it's just not nearly as practical when slinging around larger pieces.

Where the TS does come in handy is when you need quick repeatable cuts.
post #324 of 492
Edge guide works pretty well also. I just ordered one for my self from Eureka. I borrowed one a while back and loved it. 25" max width I think is perfect for me.
Edited by chrapladm - 3/28/13 at 11:53pm
post #325 of 492
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

How many plastic 15's would we need to order for it to make sense? Are you still thinking about a kickstarter for the plastic 15? What kind of costs are we talking about here?

If I had help with the Kick Starter thing, we'd shoot for the 10" and 15" models. I've got no problem doing it, but I'm not good enough at writing things up like that in order to get the ideas across. It's just not my expertise. Plus, I'm not very computer savvy. One glance at the website will tell you that. rolleyes.gif

The price difference between the 12 and 15 wouldn't be huge. Probably $5 - $7.

A decent amount of the money has come back in on the SEOS-12 project investment and the original CD stuff. I'd say I'm easily 50% of the way to the SEOS-15, and I could add in some more if needed. 100 preorders would likely convince me it's worth trying again, but of course with only 100, the majority of the expense would still have to be group buy money I've had rolling over and set aside. 100 or so is a cake walk on a Kickstarter project and barely worth doing.

But if a Kick Starter was actually successful, then I wouldn't have to spend so much of my money and that could be put towards other projects that people want. Honestly, it would sling shot all of this into something much bigger. There's a reason why you don't see completed crossover boards, custom woofers, custom subwoofers, completed speakers, 8 more subwoofer flat pack designs, surround sound boxes, (an employee) etc.....etc.....etc. I'm trying to do all of that with my own limited funds that I set aside a while ago.

I'm throwing around the idea of getting some interesting looking speakers built around the current kits, and/or do another plastic project. I'm not 100% sure what to do just yet.

I can say that it wouldn't take much convincing for me to do it. biggrin.gif But some help would be needed for a project like that because there's just no way I could handle that myself. One forum member said he could do some video work, another said he could help write up something that sounded more professional than what I could type up. I could handle the same stuff I did with the SEOS-12 and get that all organized.


My guess is that if a few people got together and worked on this with me, the AVS site might do a story about it. Being that it originated right here and it's probably one of the first Kick Starter projects from this site, it could be pretty neat. But at this point, I say no help should be free help. Maybe something should be added in for each person that lends a hand. If the goal is reached, then the guys that spent time with it would get whatever was agreed to for their time. Nothing free though.

I'd likely shut the site down for a week to put all my extra time into getting the project going. It probably wouldn't take long, and they run about 30 days. In that time I could get the parts to the right people and they would simply wait for the green light. Once it hit a certain point, we'd give the go ahead and have parts in just a couple months because everything would already be set up.
post #326 of 492
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

I have the dewalt track saw with different size tracks and router attachment. If you have an 8' by 4' working table or saw horses with scrap 4x8' sheet on top to them then this tool is far better for a one person job than any non industrial table saw, imo. I haven't used my table saw since buying the track saw. It's just so easy for one person and has saved me many hours. I built one of my amp racks (copy of mid Atlantic) in less time than it took me to spray it with paint.

I totally agree. I had a bad experience with a table saw myself with a bad kickback that almost ended my chance of having kids...mere inches. It was pretty bad and I never felt the same using that saw. You can't be tentative using a tool and have a lot of success IMO, so I went the trackway route. I used the eurekazone product and it was pretty good, but I still felt like there was too much inaccuracy for me to be satisfied. It was probably user error, but the plastic trim pieces never would wear right and so when using them to line up a cut I was getting out of square cuts.

The festool is effortless and easy to get very accurate cuts. The dust collection is also top notch. I have heard good things about the dewalt as well, and I probably would have went that way if I didn't score the festool on CL.

I have a flip up table that lives on the wall in my garage. I put a 4x8 piece of foam board insulation on top of this and make all my cuts right on top of that. It supports the pieces very well and makes it super easy.
post #327 of 492
Don't forget the Makita version, Imo, its almost as good as the TS55. IIRC, Makita's rails are cheaper.
post #328 of 492
+1 on using a tracksaw. I rarely use my table saw except for repeat cuts of narrow pieces. I'm using the Eurekazone EZ kit with dual 54" rails and connectors combined with a UEG (edge guide) for very very fast and accurate cuts. Wouldn't trade it for anything.
post #329 of 492
Hi Everyone.
The order is in Cincinnati and has cleared customs. I emailed the release form to Erich, and he needs to pick up the order.
I have also emailed Erich wondering if I need to supply drivers for the crossover design, or if you (the group) will be doing that.
I have not heard back.
I need to send a couple of drivers to Erich to complete the order, so if anyone knows what is going on with the crossovers, please let me know.

I also had Max email Erich the final invoice, so he should know who is getting what.


Regards, Jack
post #330 of 492
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Originally Posted by Jack Arnott View Post

Hi Everyone.
The order is in Cincinnati and has cleared customs. I emailed the release form to Erich, and he needs to pick up the order.
I have also emailed Erich wondering if I need to supply drivers for the crossover design, or if you (the group) will be doing that.
I have not heard back.
I need to send a couple of drivers to Erich to complete the order, so if anyone knows what is going on with the crossovers, please let me know.

I also had Max email Erich the final invoice, so he should know who is getting what.


Regards, Jack

Not sure what you are referring to with the xovers? Everyone here is on their own for designs. Jake and I will be sending over a TD15m, TD6, 4550, and a couple others for crossover design via Matt.
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