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Input needed - Sonos Connect or Sonos Connect Amp

post #1 of 8
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I just finished wiring my main floor and bonus room on my new house for audio. I didn't want volume controls or keypads on the walls, wanted full control from tablet, or smart phone. There will be a total of 6 zones, each with 2 speakers unless noted otherwise in the house as follows:

1-Deck
2-Kitchen
3-Living room (5.1 home theatre) this room is wide open to the kitchen so i might possibly make it 1 zone
Or use 2 of the speakers of the 5.1 system and and hook them up to a signal sensing switch (niles sas-1?). It might be just as cheap to just use a sonos connect to the AVR, but then switching between 2 apps to control that zone.
4-Master bedroom ensuite (stereo speaker)
5-Garage
6- Basement future 5.1

Basement is dropped ceiling so i can always add more zones down there if needed.

My main question is, does anyone see any any benefit or possible dis advantages of using a 12 channel amp (htd 1240) with a sonos connect for each zone rather then using a connect:amp for each zone. Thebasically would function the same way since the htd amp can sense a signal and power on.

Cost wise they almost balance out at 4zones, then obviously cheaper for the sonos connect.
post #2 of 8
Asked this question a few weeks ago...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1451845/doing-new-home-wha-installation-amplifier-question

Before the thread got derailed, the general consensus was just to get the connect:amps because they will provide more power and the price is a wash.

I'm going to be doing that with wall mounted iPads as controls.
post #3 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply. Ya i read that thread. Jautor recommended the connect amps, and that was where it ended. It just seems that using connects with a 12 channel amp is a bit more versatile as the they have more outputs for making more sub zones with an AVR, or even a sound bar (which i wish I never bought). I live in Canada and the Connects retail at 499 whilethe connect amp retails at 599. Iwas hopeing somebody who had done that setup would comment. If the connect amps are that good it may be the route to go, like you say whats another 400 or 600 in the grand scheme of things, this being my second house build, those 400 to 600 add ons do add up lol smile.gif
post #4 of 8
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It just seems that using connects with a 12 channel amp is a bit more versatile as the they have more outputs for making more sub zones with an AVR, or even a sound bar (which i wish I never bought).

No WHA setup is more versatile than a Sonos setup. All Sonos devices work with each other. You can purchase the Connect Amps for your audio zones and a Connect for your AVR. And once you start mixing and matching WHA equipment, you lose a lot of the versatility in regards to control, sound, source selection, etc. To get the most out of a WHA system (and to make it easy to use), pick one company and go with it. Sonos, NuVo and Russound all have options that will work for you.
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Originally Posted by Gramin View Post

And once you start mixing and matching WHA equipment, you lose a lot of the versatility in regards to control, sound, source selection, etc. To get the most out of a WHA system (and to make it easy to use), pick one company and go with it.

Exactly. You should still wire for keypads even if you're not going to use them today - tuck the wires behind the drywall if you don't want to look at blank plates. Pre-wiring should be about future flexibility.

As Gramin said, once you mix pieces / parts, you'll lose control simplicity. The WHA multi-channel amps need a control interface, usually a keypad and/or a mobile app. Now your source(s) need control - a different app, IR remote, etc. Since the Connect:Amp or the NuVo P1/2/3100 are already integrated with their zone amps, the control interface is through one "app".

Stepping up to a wired NuVo or Russound system, you get control of everything from a keypad and an app. It's the middle ground between them where the lack of integration becomes an issue.

Jeff
post #6 of 8
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. I will take the connect:amp route.
post #7 of 8
The advice you got was good. Having gone both routes for WHA before, I would suggest the following:

If your walls are still open, and it isn't expensive, wiring for the future is always a good idea. I wouldn't wire for analog anything, though. That day is over. I would wire with a minimum of Ethernet Cat 6a (not Cat 6, not Cat 5e) and be sure your installer uses minimally Cat 6 terminators. When I did this two years ago, Cat6a terminators were ridiculously expensive, so I used Cat 6 termination and figure I can re-do the terminations later if I ever need the speed. Many folks don't know the difference between Cat 5e, Cat 6, and 6a, and will tell you that any will be fine. Not so. While nothing you are likely to buy (unless you are running a data center out of your house) will need Cat 6a in the near term, you might as well future proof now. The difference in price between Cat 6a and Cat 5e cable is minimal.

If you want to co-wire with something else or use structured cable, I would do so according to your needs. Just be sure that whatever you do is compatible with the crosstalk and RF interference standards of your Cat 6a wiring. Again, be careful of what you are told. One guy told me I could run phone and Ethernet on the same cable because Ethernet used only two of the wire pairs, and the phone could use the remaining pairs. That isn't true.

All but one unit of my Sonos system units is on Ethernet. While I'm sure it would run fine using wireless, you will kick yourself if you find you have a wireless dead spot and didn't run Ethernet there. That turned out to be true in my wife's office.

I like my Sonos system soooo much better than the WHA system in my old house. Control was always finicky on the old system, it constantly got left on accidentally, generated too much heat in the cabinet, and my wife found it hard to use. The Sonos is easy, and she has no trouble with it ever.
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One guy told me I could run phone and Ethernet on the same cable because Ethernet used only two of the wire pairs, and the phone could use the remaining pairs. That isn't true.

Actually, it is. Just not for Gigabit Ethernet, which uses all four pairs. 10/100 only uses two pairs, so it was possible and sometimes the only practical way to get both phone and Ethernet to retrofit locations. But no one should be doing that for any new construction or whenever wires can be pulled. That, and these days there are WiFi adapters / bridging solutions readily available that make that practice completely unnecessary.
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