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post #1 of 14
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I have a network enabled AV Processor the Marantz AV-8003.
I have a desk top computer filled with my ripped CD's next to it.
An Ethernet cable connects the two, unfortunately my processor does not support lossless audio through the network.

I can purchase a USB to Digital coaxial connection,(many on the market) to connect the desktop computer to the Marantz into an open digital input.

Great so far, but how do i select tracks, see album jacket information etc?

I wouldn't mind getting a laptop for work and play.
Is there something I can do with a laptop to be able to control the desktop for track selection, jacket information, etc?
Taking that one step further can I use said laptop to replace my universal remote that came withe Marantz and control the entire system, easily?

So download the codes for each device and configure them on the laptop, then it has an IR out or something to control all components?
I am computer illiterate so it would have to be veeeerrrry easy to do.

Ideas?
post #2 of 14
my "cheap" method is I run windows media center on the PC which is connected thru to my TV (vga input). I switch the TV input to vga and then just use a simple wireless dongle "keyboard" remote (no bigger than a remote)..,. type or do anything on the pc. Not elegant but certainly works fine.
post #3 of 14
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This suggestion is just what I was looking for but I need you to elaborate much further about it please.
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I run windows media center on the PC which is connected thru to my TV (vga input)

I need the sound to get to the AV processor, that what this is all about. So I use a usb to digital connector from the desktop to connect to my AV pre pro.
VGA to HDMI adapter from desk top to Pre Pro. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HDMI-GOLD-MALE-TO-VGA-HD-15-MALE-Cable-6FT-1-8M-1080P-/180866971174?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2a1c82f626&_uhb=1#ht_1340wt_1393
HDMI out to display?

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then just use a simple wireless dongle "keyboard" remote (no bigger than a remote)..,. type or do anything on the pc.
Got a link for that dongle buddy? What are you currently using?

Then I do not require a laptop or tablet or anything correct?
This connection method and dongle are going to allow lossless audio to flow to the Pre Pro. Video will be routed to the display.
I do not know about the conversion if there is any from desk top to video to display or if that is done automatically inside the pre pro or display itself or whether I can set it up as a choice for a certain output.
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type or do anything on the pc
Type on the dongle sure but how do I see the information in the desk top computer to select tracks view album art etc?
post #4 of 14
Any wireless keyboard/mouse or smartphone app will work fine. I use HippoRemote on my phone and have a Logitech K400r as backup.

I would not trust that VGA converter at all. If you don't believe me, check out some of the reviews for a similar device HERE. If your PC doesn't have an HDMI output, you should get a video card with HDMI. THIS is a good, inexpensive one. It will give you full resolution HD and lossless digital audio. I assume your amp is ultimately connected to your TV? That's how you see the computer screen. If not, you'll need to run a cable from your PC to your TV or use some sort of wireless system. The actiontec mywireless TV works quite well and supports a keyboard/mouse connection.

All that being said, a dedicated device designed for the purpose of playing music an navigating playlists is the cheapest, easiest solution. Apple TV comes to mind. It's very simple to pull your collection into iTunes.
post #5 of 14
VGA doesn't carry sound so sending it to your pre/pro is of little value so I send it to my TV assuming the tv has a vga input... if not then you could use the vga to hdmi converter... I guess.
Anyways, the sound in my case comes out of the usb port on my computer (actually a laptop). I could / did use the headphone jack but it was noisier in the environment that I was in so I used a usb sound module to converts usb "stuff" to and from audio... in my case the module was used to record 2 channel audio from 2 rca inputs that I was using for converting phonograph records to digital,,, the module has rca output jacks to monitor the process... I ran those to my receiver for sound. Other modules are available on ebay and elsewhere than convert usb "stuff" to optical output than can be run to your receiver.... straight forward but I don't think they are lossless as it is only available thru hdmi.
As far as the remote control, look on ebay for any wireless remote usb "thing" and you will find lots that are available for $20 or so, Plug in the usb dongle and type or poke away. The "remote" I have is a full keyboard with roller ball and arrow, etc so I am basically "sitting at / on your computer" 15 feet away controlling what ever windows media center wants to do... in my case... you could use any other media center / player you want.
Edited by budwich - 2/12/13 at 9:09am
post #6 of 14
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I do not have a smart phone and have an aversion to apple anything.
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If your PC doesn't have an HDMI output, you should get a video card with HDMI. THIS is a good, inexpensive one. It will give you full resolution HD and lossless digital audio

Sure I can see this as a low cost extra for excellent rewards. HDMI to Pre Pro input then HDMI out of Pre Pro to display, great.


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The actiontec mywireless TV works quite well and supports a keyboard/mouse connection.
This is something I do not think I require as I am wired to the display via HDMI from the Pre Pro.

what I require is a suggestion as to how to control the desktop computer from the couch.
A lap top perhaps?

People have offered as you stated apple tv or apple airport express.
Why not a laptop that would have additional uses like setting up a universal remote system for my av system in addition to controlling the desk top computer.
As well as being able to use its laptop capabilities in other environments as well. Like when travelling.

I suppose a tablet might do the same.
But it is all coming back to the same question control of the desktop remotely by providing lossless audio to the audio system and video tot eh display in addition to being able to control the desktop.
post #7 of 14
Ok, so you have a plan to get the PC display to your TV and sound to your AVR. All you need is a wireless keyboard/mouse like the logitech I mentioned and you're done. But I see that you really want to use a laptop instead of a simple wireless keyboard/mouse. In that case just use remote desktop to control your main PC (it's a program built into windows). If you don't have windows or the version with remote desktop, there are many remote desktop applications like VNC, for example. This doesn't change the audio/video connections at all, so you'll still get audio. You don't even need video, since you'll have your desktop display on your laptop.
post #8 of 14
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All you need is a wireless keyboard/mouse like the logitech I mentioned and you're done.

Not quite as I would not be able to see the computer screen on the main display screen. It is not connected in any way other than through an Ethernet connection to my Pro Pro as of now.
The Pre Pro has a built in network device that handles track selection etc. Not lossless audio and no internet connectivity.
I can purchase a USB to Digital coaxial connection,(many on the market dragonfly etc.) to connect the desktop computer to the Marantz into an open digital input for audio.
Yes these devices for about $200.00 allow lossless codecs.Still not connected for video though with only the Logitech suggestion.

Or the suggestion of an HDMI card and send audio and video to the Marantz and bypassing the network. Then the Logitech idea would possibly work by using the remote desktop to control my main PC as stated above.
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You don't even need video, since you'll have your desktop display on your laptop.
If I choose the laptop route to try to control all sources via a remote program through some sort of downloadable program.

The lap top would use remote desk top to control the main pc? how is this accomplished wirelessly?

It appears there are 4 options that might do what i want in terms of sound picture and remote control.
  1. Get an apple something or other air play apple TV etc, I suppose this requires more investigation of this option. I thought they required a subscription.
  2. Get a Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard. This might be able to control the desk top PC and provide a picture on the main TV display and audio through the system via routing from desk top PC to Marantz to display via some means.
  3. A dongle and the HDMI card to provide audio and video to the Marantz via HDMI then video via Marantz to display(s). The dongle controls what is seen on the main display reproducing the desk top PC via pc copy.
  4. Get a lap top to control all sources via a downloadable configurable program of sorts. Use PC copy screen to see the main desktop. Control the desk top wirelessly via laptop by???
    Get audio and video to the Marantz by?

Which one of the above options or any others will do what I require the best?
Edited by kiwi2000 - 2/12/13 at 12:58pm
post #9 of 14
Ok, so you don't have a way to get video from your PC to your TV. Seems like you've entertained some expensive options for audio/video from PC to AVR. I still think a proper video and/or audio card will solve your problem cheaply and easily, far cheaper than that $200 USB/coax thing.

1. Apple TV requires no subscription as far as I know. Since you don't want apple, how about a Dune HD player? I think it will do everything you asked.
2. Doesn't have to be logitech, but they make some good, inexpensive options.
3. Correct. Keep in mind that Dongle is functionally equivalent to wireless keyboard and/or mouse or IR remote.
4. I was assuming that even during remote sessions, audio/video would still go from main PC to Marantz the same way it would in options 2 and 3. No connection to your laptop required. That's how it works on my system.

I personally think it would be inconvenient to have to use a laptop and remote desktop every time I wanted to play some music, so if it were my system, I'd explore option 1 first, and 2 or 3 second.
post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 
K,

I will check all above options out but I still do not see the audio and video connection options explained to the main display and Processor other than some available hardware for any of the alternatives.
It is for me to delve further I suppose for connection options for each connection choice.

What I was hoping for was a "plug and play" map which most often times occurs on this forum IF you ask the right question in the proper way.
Possibly I have not done so in this instance.

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I was assuming that even during remote sessions, audio/video would still go from main PC to Marantz the same way it would in options 2 and 3. No connection to your laptop required. That's how it works on my system.

I have stated I suppose poorly that I have only one connection to the desk top computer via the built in server in the Marantz AV- 8003. Ethernet. This does not display the desk top.Only the network server OSC of the Marantz.
I can also access U tube via my OPPO Blu ray on the internet but not very easily. Poor interaction account no remote access with keyboard.

The opinions stated offer some hardware options but more I think is required to connect audio video and use them remotely within my system.
Edited by kiwi2000 - 2/12/13 at 5:30pm
post #11 of 14
I realize you use an ethernet connection today. You can continue doing that if you like. But the only way to get audio/video is to make some sort of audio/video connection. So I'll repeat: Get a video card with HDMI. This will allow to connect your PC audio and video to your Marantz with one cable, very cheaply and simply. I even posted to a link to a specific model. This will display your desktop. You can then control it by any method you want (wireless keyboard/mouse, remote desktop from a laptop, a long stick, whatever).
post #12 of 14
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I got it thanks!
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
If I were to bypass the network of the av8003 by means of direct connection HDMI from desktop to av8003 HDMI input.
Would the 8003 be able to playback hd audio like HD tracks, wav, flac etc?
Are there audio codecs it could not playback when connected in this manner?

I am also wondering about video through a HDMI connection desk top to av8003 would I get a HD picture or any picture fo that matter?
Would any adjustments have to be made to see a picture on my main display when connected via HDMI from the av8003?
post #14 of 14
HDMI is full bandwidth and all digital, so should easily handle any audio and video and give you full HD. If you need other details about the capabilities of your receiver, probably best to ask in the audio forum because I have no idea.

It's very low risk to just get a decent video card and try it. The cost is insignificant compared to your receiver.
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