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post #31 of 65
Yes its worth extra $100
post #32 of 65
Thread Starter 
Is the PA-100 sorta splitting the difference between the F12 and the HL-200? Just trying to dial in my sweet spot so I can pull the trigger.

Also, looks like I have to get that C50 center channel off eBay as Crutchfield is out of stock.
post #33 of 65
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Originally Posted by s1njin View Post

Is the PA-100 sorta splitting the difference between the F12 and the HL-200? Just trying to dial in my sweet spot so I can pull the trigger.

The PA-120 is generally considered a slight step up over the BIC F12 in bass SQ. Then the BIC PL-200 with more output than either. If by PA-100 you mean the PA-10W, people don't really talk about those on AVS.

Try offering Acoustic Sound Design $250 on the BIC PL-200 (see the Make Your Best Offer button). They will typically come back with a price below $300.
post #34 of 65
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

The PA-120 is generally considered a slight step up over the BIC F12 in bass SQ. Then the BIC PL-200 with more output than either. If by PA-100 you mean the PA-10W, people don't really talk about those on AVS.

Try offering Acoustic Sound Design $250 on the BIC PL-200 (see the Make Your Best Offer button). They will typically come back with a price below $300.

I got a coupon that works for Sound Distributors so I'm in good shape there. So what I'm gathering is the its probably worth staying Pat with the F12 since its significantly cheaper for not much gain. The real 'bump' in this category would be the PL-200. So that's back to my original question of if its worth the 100 bucks; and I'm being advised that yes it is.
post #35 of 65
Yes. The BIC PL-200 would be be the best of the three you are considering. Has better SQ and more output.

BTW: How big is your room, including any adjoining open areas?
post #36 of 65
Thread Starter 
20*20 room w/ 9' ceilings. Adjoining a 10x13 kitchenette. Carpet area rug in the middle of the 20x20, hardwood all around everything else.

I don't want my house to rattle off the foundation; my two little girls sleep upstairs while we are watching grown up movies/shows/etc. I'm looking for a nice warm bass presence; if I get punched in the chest w/ sound my wife is going to punch me in the head every time the kids wake up !!!

Given that, if I'm shopping too big pls. let me know before I purchase so I can step down to a 10".
post #37 of 65
A 10" sub would be inadequate for that size space for when you do want to be able to hear the sub well. I often think that's why people have problems with budget 8" and 10" subs dying on them--the room space is too big, so the sub is running maxed out all the time.

When the girls are sleeping, you can always turn down the bass. Although if your kids are like most kids, they'd probably sleep through it anyway.

There are also movies that they can enjoy right now (and more soon as they grow older) that have awesome bass effects. See The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts. And they'll probably enjoy what the sub adds when they get a little older and want to play their music on your setup smile.gif
post #38 of 65
That's a large space so I don't think you are going to be shaking the house with a F-12 or similar sub. I would however recommend you buy an Auralex Sub-dude regardless of the sub you buy. It decouples the sub from the structure and eliminates some vibrations, leading to a better experience.
post #39 of 65
One more thing. Your receiver is the Denon 591? If so, it has Audyssey Dynamic Volume. The Midnight setting can help to keep the sound from getting too loud during an action movie later at night. See the FAQ.
post #40 of 65
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Looks like its about a wrap for me:

Cambridge S30s for FR&FL
Cambridge S50 for C
Bic PL-200 for sub
Denon AVR-591 (cause I have it, and I thought it was pretty good when I bought it 2 years ago).

Thanks all !
post #41 of 65
If you are new to setting up Denon receivers and using Audyssey, be sure to check out AVS member batpig's Denon setup guide: http://batpigworld.com/setup.html#before

Let us know how it all sounds once you get it setup smile.gif
post #42 of 65
anybody can give me an advice, i am planning to set up 5.1 in the future, right now the budget is to tight. all i want just decent 2.0 or 3.0 set up with 300-400 range. pls guide me whic one to get? thanks
post #43 of 65
Do you need a receiver? If so, that will eat up $200 of your budget.
post #44 of 65
i am sorry. yes, i need an entry level receiver no net or anything, just 5.1 reciver with audysey set up included.like 150-200 budget. and 2.0 or 3.0 set up for now.
post #45 of 65
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

i am sorry. yes, i need an entry level receiver no net or anything, just 5.1 reciver with audysey set up included.like 150-200 budget. and 2.0 or 3.0 set up for now.

Accessories4less.com has factory refurbished, factory warrantied Denons and Onkyos. That's your best bet on your budget for a receiver.

Then for speakers, I would look at the Pioneer series available at Best Buy.
post #46 of 65
I SAw denon 1612 receiver, i think that is the best bet for me. and also, is the onkyo or denon HTIB at A4L worh it to buy? i saw onkyo 7.1 for 249 refurb. what do you think?
post #47 of 65
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

I SAw denon 1612 receiver, i think that is the best bet for me. and also, is the onkyo or denon HTIB at A4L worh it to buy? i saw onkyo 7.1 for 249 refurb. what do you think?

I would say stick with 2.0 for now. Get that 1612 and a pair of Pioneer FS52 towers from BestBuy as was mentioned earlier. They are actually a decent speaker and offer fantastic value. Later on you can add a sub, and then move to full 5.1. It will take a little longer to get the setup complete but you will have something that puts any HTIB to shame.
post #48 of 65
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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

I would say stick with 2.0 for now. Get that 1612 and a pair of Pioneer FS52 towers from BestBuy as was mentioned earlier. They are actually a decent speaker and offer fantastic value. Later on you can add a sub, and then move to full 5.1. It will take a little longer to get the setup complete but you will have something that puts any HTIB to shame.

Agreed.

Although if you become determined to get a small HTIB type speaker package, get the Denon 1612 and this Monoprice 5.1 set. It's appears to be a rebadged Energy Take Classic 5.1 set. Lots of good testimonials for the Takes. See if the code "INCENTIVE" still works for 20% off.
post #49 of 65
thanks, this is what i am thinking, any idea about the MLT 2 speakers? are they good speakers? that is what came to my mind, pairing it to Onkyo TX NR509? or should i go to MLT 2 and denon 1612 receiver?
post #50 of 65
I'd rather have the Denon 1612 over the Onkyo NR509 unless you need the networking features. In that case get the Denon 1613 which does have networking.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1613/DENON-AVR-1613-5.1ch-Networking-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-ready/1.html
post #51 of 65
thanks, ok will get the 1612, not need much the networking features. so martin logan t2 will be fine and sound great with 1612? or should i go for takes 5.0?
post #52 of 65
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

thanks, ok will get the 1612, not need much the networking features. so martin logan t2 will be fine and sound great with 1612? or should i go for takes 5.0?

Did you not already have another thread, where you are using Energy 5.1 speakers,
in a larger type room - 20 x 50? You are not talking about much of an upgrade here.
post #53 of 65
Hello sir. This is for my brother. I am just helping him sir.
post #54 of 65
Thread Starter 
All my parts are now ordered. I had waffled a bit on the sub since the PSW505 went on sale this morning at 199. I had actually ordered it, than cancelled it after thinking on it awhile. Went w/ my aforementioned setup:

Cambridge S30s for FR&FL [Crutchfield]
Cambridge S50 for C [Ebay/Authorized Dealer, Crutchfield was out of stock with no ETA]
Bic PL-200 for sub [SoundDistributors.com]
Denon AVR-591 (cause I have it, and I thought it was pretty good when I bought it 2 years ago).

Its a wrap, now I can stop obsessing over what to do and just wait to enjoy what I've done !!!
post #55 of 65
good job, should be a nice setup. Congrats!
post #56 of 65
Thread Starter 
My PL-200 is FINALLY out for delivery today. I will let you guys know what I think of my setup once I get it calibrated (Audyssey). The wait has been killing me !!! I've had everything else wired up and ready to go, but I didn't want to try it out until the sub came in.
post #57 of 65
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Originally Posted by s1njin View Post

My PL-200 is FINALLY out for delivery today. I will let you guys know what I think of my setup once I get it calibrated (Audyssey). The wait has been killing me !!! I've had everything else wired up and ready to go, but I didn't want to try it out until the sub came in.

I'm sure those speakers would sound good without the sub, although the PL-200 will take your setup to a new level biggrin.gif

Be sure to try some of these 4 to 5 star movies: The New Master List of BASS in Movies with Frequency Charts
post #58 of 65
Thread Starter 
So far so good, will be watching some Walking Dead tonight. Can't wait.

There must be something i need to set for regular music. I thought maybe I got a dead sub when I was piping in my cable TV music channel. I than put Wrath of the Titans on (HBO). Holy Cow !!!
post #59 of 65
The reason you would be hearing the sub with the movie is because it's getting the .1 channel in 5.1. If you aren 't hearing the sub when listening to music, make certain your speakers are set to small. Probably a crossover of 80hz would work.
post #60 of 65
Thread Starter 
I verified the speakers are set to small, but I can't pretend I know how to set the crossover. If its the freq. dial on my sub I have that cranked to 80 (it goes to 90).

As for the sound of some good Dolby material, all I can say so far in is the sound is so authentic for lack of a better word. I mean, real true to how I think it would sound in real life.

I'm blown away by these Cambridge speakers. And that sub hits nice.

Thank you all for your recommendations and help with this. smile.gif
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