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post #61 of 118
CFLs are also quite dangerous. If one explodes, you have to call the hazmat team in and evacuate your house.

Not to mention they are carcinogenic..

And if that isn't quite bad enough for you.. Watch your pictures and furniture fade quickly.

They are the worst thing that has ever been invented.
post #62 of 118
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

CFLs are also quite dangerous. If one explodes, you have to call the hazmat team in and evacuate your house.

Not to mention they are carcinogenic..

And if that isn't quite bad enough for you.. Watch your pictures and furniture fade quickly.

They are the worst thing that has ever been invented.

LOL, link please or I'll assume you are high.
post #63 of 118
Calling a HazMat team may be a little overexaggerated but not by much: http://www2.epa.gov/cfl/cleaning-broken-cfl
post #64 of 118
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Calling a HazMat team may be a little overexaggerated but not by much: http://www2.epa.gov/cfl/cleaning-broken-cfl

Those instructions make me think it is just like a small flourescent tube.

From the link: Keep in mind that CFLs contain a very small amount of mercury -- less than 1/100th of the amount in a mercury thermometer.

I understand it is a concern but if you call Hazmat or even worry about it then you are a little crazy. Pictures and furniture fading sounds like nonsense to me.
post #65 of 118
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Pictures and furniture fading sounds like nonsense to me.
If you are buying cheap ones, I guess they may be putting out a tiny amount of UV light which is probably what is being referred to.

I still don't think we have a suitable replacement for Halogen lighting with the CFL or LED options we have available today. The better CFLs have better color rendering than the best LEDs I've been able to find, so I don't think they should immediately be overlooked.
post #66 of 118
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Pictures and furniture fading sounds like nonsense to me.
Nonsense? Not at all: http://www.nifty-stuff.com/inkjet-fading.php

CFLs are compact fluorescent lights. All fluorescent lighting emits UV which will cause fading.

They do make some bulbs with specially formulated glass to reduce UV output now though. Some inks are also more resistant to fading than others.
post #67 of 118
http://www.wattworks.com/info/cfl-hazards

Homes with networking wires running through the house may suffer data/packet loss as well.

Homes with iR 3d emitters will have problems with sync.

Homes with rf phones/remotes/Bluetooth/keyboards/wifi will have range problems.

And again.. Carcinogenic.

I don't understand why people would actually buy stuff like CFLs. They are bad in every way. People actually pay money to give themselves more problems. Like cigarettes and cancer.

My girlfriend had them when we first got together. I replaced them with incandescents and she found no problem with it and no increase in lighting costs.
post #68 of 118
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

http://www.wattworks.com/info/cfl-hazards

Homes with networking wires running through the house may suffer data/packet loss as well.

Homes with iR 3d emitters will have problems with sync.

Homes with rf phones/remotes/Bluetooth/keyboards/wifi will have range problems.

And again.. Carcinogenic.

I don't understand why people would actually buy stuff like CFLs. They are bad in every way. People actually pay money to give themselves more problems. Like cigarettes and cancer.

My girlfriend had them when we first got together. I replaced them with incandescents and she found no problem with it and no increase in lighting costs.

Replacing my whole house with CFL's has had no effect on wireless reception or on my self-run network wires.

People used to play with Mercury at school and most of them are fine. It takes a lot of exposure to be a real problem.

For UV light, do you keep all of your windows closed 24/7? The sun has a lot of UV light.

CFL's can cause interference with wireless networks but normally this is imperceptible unless the bulb is faulty.

I consider shattered glass a much bigger health hazard than 5mg of mercury. To each there own I guess.

Last but not least, how often do you break bulbs? I haven't broken a bulb in atleast 10 years.
post #69 of 118
Fluorescent lighting can cause issues with low voltage wiring (TV, Cable, Network, Phone) when the wire is run alongside the light fixture and the fixture is at least 24" long. If the wire is run across (perpendicular to) the fixture, I have not seen any issues and have not seen any data to suggest it causes issues. I have not seen any studies to show that CFLs cause interference with low voltage wiring and I have not experienced it.
post #70 of 118
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

Fluorescent lighting can cause issues with low voltage wiring (TV, Cable, Network, Phone) when the wire is run alongside the light fixture and the fixture is at least 24" long. If the wire is run across (perpendicular to) the fixture, I have not seen any issues and have not seen any data to suggest it causes issues. I have not seen any studies to show that CFLs cause interference with low voltage wiring and I have not experienced it.

Different types of wiring should never be run next to each other. I have seen issues with cat5 run next to power lines many times. I believe this goes against code in most areas anyways though.

Edit: Clarify a little. I've seen issues with cat5 run next to in-wall power lines.
post #71 of 118
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

Replacing my whole house with CFL's has had no effect on wireless reception or on my self-run network wires.

People used to play with Mercury at school and most of them are fine. It takes a lot of exposure to be a real problem.

For UV light, do you keep all of your windows closed 24/7? The sun has a lot of UV light.

CFL's can cause interference with wireless networks but normally this is imperceptible unless the bulb is faulty.

I consider shattered glass a much bigger health hazard than 5mg of mercury. To each there own I guess.

Last but not least, how often do you break bulbs? I haven't broken a bulb in atleast 10 years.

Is this really Al Gore? Lol
post #72 of 118
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

Is this really Al Gore? Lol

Maybe you shouldn't get your information on CFL's from companies that sell LED's. Perhaps then you will stop spouting nonsense.

Haha, you're funny. If you make fun of me again I'll sick BearManPig on you.
post #73 of 118
This is the EPA and several other sites that day the same thing..
post #74 of 118
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This is the EPA and several other sites that day the same thing..

You are right, Vladd provided good links and good information. You however did not. I never thought of the UV output being an issue so I learned something from this, thanks Vladd and Chronoptimist.
post #75 of 118
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

Replacing my whole house with CFL's has had no effect on wireless reception or on my self-run network wires.

People used to play with Mercury at school and most of them are fine. It takes a lot of exposure to be a real problem.

For UV light, do you keep all of your windows closed 24/7? The sun has a lot of UV light.

CFL's can cause interference with wireless networks but normally this is imperceptible unless the bulb is faulty.

I consider shattered glass a much bigger health hazard than 5mg of mercury. To each there own I guess.

Last but not least, how often do you break bulbs? I haven't broken a bulb in atleast 10 years.

I have to agree with these statements. I for one used to roll balls of mercury around on the tables in science lab and I am just fine. I have been running CFL's in nearly all my fixtures for at least a decade now and have not seen any fading of furniture or carpets nor have I had issues with wireless connections. The full sized florescent over cabinet lighting in my kitchen OTOH does interfere with wireless but that is the ballast for sure. Fortunately I hardly ever turn those on. They are just there to satisfy California Energy Code requirements. What I really need to find is reasonably priced dim-able LED lighting for under the cabinets as the Halogens run too hot and actually destroy the housings so they need to be replaced every 5 years.
Edited by Sammy2 - 3/1/13 at 8:48am
post #76 of 118
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Mfusick, are you on time of use billing now?

No. I have fixed .07 per kWh Standard Utility offer for residential. No KWH limits. Just flat. As much as I use. My bill is $400 a month. My house is a pig.

My day job is in the energy sector wink.gif

I keep a tab on rates in the northeast on a daily basis and have much insight into them.

Why do you ask ?
post #77 of 118
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

No. I have fixed .07 per kWh Standard Utility offer for residential. No KWH limits. Just flat. As much as I use. My bill is $400 a month. My house is a pig.

My day job is in the energy sector wink.gif

I keep a tab on rates in the northeast on a daily basis and have much insight into them.

Why do you ask ?

I know it is coming probably sooner than later. When it does I will probably sleep my PC's during the day when I am not there which brings a question. Does PLEX have a WOL magic packet that is sent from the client?
post #78 of 118
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I have to agree with these statements. I for one used to roll balls of mercury around on the tables in science lab and I am just fine. I have been running CFL's in nearly all my fixtures for at least a decade now and have not seen any fading of furniture or carpets nor have I had issues with wireless connections. The full sized florescent over cabinet lighting in my kitchen OTOH does interfere with wireless but that is the ballast for sure. Fortunately I hardly ever turn those on. They are just there to satisfy California Energy Code requirements. What I really need to find is reasonably priced dim-able LED lighting for under the cabinets as the Halogens run too hot and actually destroy the housings so they need to be replaced every 5 years.

The under cabinet T5 bulbs work really well. Mine are less than an inch thick so you really can't see them unless you stick your head under the cabinet. The LED ones always look really dim in the stores.

My water bill is fair use which sucks. It's basically a family hating billing scheme.
post #79 of 118
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

The under cabinet T5 bulbs work really well. Mine are less than an inch thick so you really can't see them unless you stick your head under the cabinet. The LED ones always look really dim in the stores.

My water bill is fair use which sucks. It's basically a family hating billing scheme.
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I'll check into that. The current fixtures are recessed into the bottom of the cabinet and are 2.25" diameter or so. They are also wired 12V to transformers above the cabinets. Are T5's 120 volts and dim-able? I figure I am in for some rewiring here no matter what I do..
post #80 of 118
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

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I'll check into that. The current fixtures are recessed into the bottom of the cabinet and are 2.25" diameter or so. They are also wired 12V to transformers above the cabinets. Are T5's 120 volts and dim-able? I figure I am in for some rewiring here no matter what I do..

They are 120 volts(a plus to me). I think all fluorescent tubes are dimmable but that it is controlled by the ballast.

I hate halogens, and the LED's were expensive and dim. That's why I went this way.
post #81 of 118
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

CFLs are also quite dangerous. If one explodes, you have to call the hazmat team in and evacuate your house.

Not to mention they are carcinogenic..

And if that isn't quite bad enough for you.. Watch your pictures and furniture fade quickly.

They are the worst thing that has ever been invented.

Yeah, I've broken a couple. I think the mercury in my teeth is shielding me from the mercury that got into the air though.
post #82 of 118
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I know it is coming probably sooner than later. When it does I will probably sleep my PC's during the day when I am not there which brings a question. Does PLEX have a WOL magic packet that is sent from the client?

I'd sure hate to be blamed for channeling this thread back on track does anybody know the answer?
post #83 of 118
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

Replacing my whole house with CFL's has had no effect on wireless reception or on my self-run network wires.

People used to play with Mercury at school and most of them are fine. It takes a lot of exposure to be a real problem.

For UV light, do you keep all of your windows closed 24/7? The sun has a lot of UV light.

CFL's can cause interference with wireless networks but normally this is imperceptible unless the bulb is faulty.

I consider shattered glass a much bigger health hazard than 5mg of mercury. To each there own I guess.

Last but not least, how often do you break bulbs? I haven't broken a bulb in atleast 10 years.

Most new windows have a UV and IR film built into them so you don't tend to get the fading anymore. Yes CFL's are a compromise, the new LED's bulbs are great all the way around except for price. Hopefully the price will come down and thats what we will all end up using. As for UV from CFL's what level are we talking here? I'm pretty pasty white and have never noticed any issues with them, its got to be an extremely low level.
post #84 of 118
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Originally Posted by jeffkro View Post

Most new windows have a UV and IR film built into them so you don't tend to get the fading anymore. Yes CFL's are a compromise, the new LED's bulbs are great all the way around except for price. Hopefully the price will come down and thats what we will all end up using. As for UV from CFL's what level are we talking here? I'm pretty pasty white and have never noticed any issues with them, its got to be an extremely low level.

The UV and IR film also reduce the light that comes in by 30 or 35% I believe. Not to mention the price premium. That said when LED's come down in price I will never buy a CFL again. smile.gif

Sammy2, it's been derailed for too long now, let it ride. smile.gif I have no idea about Plex and magic packets though, shouldn't be too hard to add if it isn't there already.
post #85 of 118
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by macks View Post

I hate halogens, and the LED's were expensive and dim. That's why I went this way.
What is it that you hate about halogens? The heat?

It's true that halogens put out a lot of heat, but they are also available much brighter than LEDs or CFLs. The thing I like about halogens is that they actually put out a nice spectrum of light, unlike CFLs or LEDs. The good CFLs are better than LEDs, which only seem to be focusing on the perceived color of light, rather having a good spectral response.
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As for UV from CFL's what level are we talking here? I'm pretty pasty white and have never noticed any issues with them, its got to be an extremely low level.
As with all the complaints about CFLs here, this is being way overblown. Most CFLs put out extremely low levels of UV light, and once that's in a fixture, that drops to negligible levels.
post #86 of 118
I just read an article that CFLs often have cracks in the phosphor coating, which allows harmful UV rays to leak out & damage your skin. I did a Google on this & there were several articles that mentioned test confirming this. Of course it's matter of degree, but it was suggested not to sit too close to CFLs and use a shade or glass to reduce the UV.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/120-a387/

http://www.ehso.com/cfl_light_bulb_uv_skin_cancer_risk.htm
post #87 of 118
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Originally Posted by Mike99 View Post

I just read an article that CFLs often have cracks in the phosphor coating, which allows harmful UV rays to leak out & damage your skin. I did a Google on this & there were several articles that mentioned test confirming this. Of course it's matter of degree, but it was suggested not to sit too close to CFLs and use a shade or glass to reduce the UV.

http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/120-a387/

http://www.ehso.com/cfl_light_bulb_uv_skin_cancer_risk.htm

The next time I have to change a CFL, I'll have to look for cracks, might be a couple years.

Chrono, you can buy some ridiculously bright CFL's so I don't think that is a good justification for halogens.

http://www.hydrofarm.com/product.php?itemid=8892#tabs-2 7,000 lumens CFL
post #88 of 118
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

I replaced them with incandescents and she found no problem with it and no increase in lighting costs.

Unless you replaced the 100 watt CLFs with 25 watt incandescent bulbs (or greatly reduced the use of lights), there will be an increase in lighting costs. Incandescent bulbs give off less light for the same power usage.
post #89 of 118
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Originally Posted by AnthonyB View Post

http://www.wattworks.com/info/cfl-hazards

Homes with networking wires running through the house may suffer data/packet loss as well.

Homes with iR 3d emitters will have problems with sync.

Homes with rf phones/remotes/Bluetooth/keyboards/wifi will have range problems.

And again.. Carcinogenic.

I don't understand why people would actually buy stuff like CFLs. They are bad in every way. People actually pay money to give themselves more problems. Like cigarettes and cancer.

My girlfriend had them when we first got together. I replaced them with incandescents and she found no problem with it and no increase in lighting costs.

I don't understand why people would actually buy incandescant.

Excess heat

Excess energy consumption

Excess pollution associated with increased energy demands which causes cancer.

Short life span

High current requirements for the fixtures and wiring.

Seems like a very bad all around product.
post #90 of 118
My dad buys incandescent bulbs simply because the government said he must stop doing it - he is also firmly against the communist plot whereby they put fluoride in the water supply. smile.gif
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