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post #31 of 229
very cool info, but where's Ralph's official blu-ray review? cool.gif
post #32 of 229
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Originally Posted by DDigitalGuy05 View Post

totally agree^ but great review, one day streaming technology will be a lot better some time in the future. But until then i will continue to buy the old plastic disks. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Mason7 View Post

Everything I just read in this makes me hope they never get rid of physical media.

Couldn't agree more. I feel the same about music too.
Great review though, thanks OP.
post #33 of 229
What sound format do the streaming services offer? This is a big factor for me.
post #34 of 229
Most VUDU titles are available in Dolby 5.1 and a very select few are Dolby 7.1. I think Netflix and Amazon are both only Dolby 5.1...
post #35 of 229
Thread Starter 
Vudu HDX uses Dolby Digital Plus for up to 7.1 channels but typically 5.1 except on the desktop where it is limited to 2-channel sound. iTunes and Amazon use good old fashioned Dolby Digital 5.1

In theory Dolby Digital Plus (EC-3) can run at 10X the bandwidth of Dolby Digital (AC-3) but Vudu is not using that much bandwidth for sound. Vudu sound is consistently better overall than iTunes. If sound is a significant factor for you, a Vudu-compatible streaming player that supports 7.1, or at least 7.1 pass-through might be the ticket. Vudu looks great, honestly you have to nitpick to come up with the stuff I'm complaining about. If you are using a 120" screen and $5,000 projector forget about it, as people keep saying only a Blu-ray will do. On a 55" TV, viewed from a couch iTunes and Vudu come startlingly close to Blu-ray for PQ and Vudu does the same for SQ. iTunes definitely sounds weaker.

If you receive Netflix in 1080P, such as on a PS3, you get to enjoy Dolby Digital Plus with up to 5.1 channels.
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Originally Posted by bighifi View Post

What sound format do the streaming services offer? This is a big factor for me.

Edited by imagic - 2/14/13 at 9:00am
post #36 of 229
I have to agree that you'd be typically hard pressed to tell the PQ difference of VUDU HDX vs Blu-ray on a 55" TV. I have a 55" (largest screen that I have space for) and I can hardly tell the difference. VUDU is perfectly fine for my situation and I could see that if you have a really high end setup with projector that streaming quality would never be enough to satisfy...

I would choose VUDU over iTunes any given day, but sometimes the quality can vary between titles and encodes, as mentioned in the review....
post #37 of 229
Wow, DD5.1. How 1990s.
Also same quality as a DVD rip (bit wise not format wise of course)
All for the sake of a week's time?

It is MP3s all over again just this time its movies vs music.

Lets just fast forward to the "flac" version of this nonsense.tongue.gif
post #38 of 229
Fascinating. So if the network slows for any reason, quality goes out the window. I'm so glad Blu ray is an option.
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So was the VUDU stream always 3 bar HDX when you viewed it? Since there is a huge difference between 3 bar HDX and 1 bar HDX. Even between 3 bar HDX and 2 bar HDX there is a very noticeable difference.
post #39 of 229
Well that is why I don't stream, I want the the best sound I can get as well as best picture. Unfortunately most younger people don't care about either, so I see blu ray going the way of the dodo
post #40 of 229
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Originally Posted by bighifi View Post

Well that is why I don't stream, I want the the best sound I can get as well as best picture. Unfortunately most younger people don't care about either, so I see blu ray going the way of the dodo

I'm not young and do care about both. That said, in my neck of the woods we have redbox or buy the disc at Walmart or Target. So when titles are not available at Redbox or I don't feel like making the 5 mile drive in the dark of night or pouring rain, Vudu is great.

I don't really want to pay $20 for every movie I want to see on Blu-ray. I watch from about 9-10' on a 70" LCD and find that Vudu PQ is really close to Blu-ray for most movies. Sound is where I've been a little disappointed though.

Once they are able to stream in DTS HD or Dolby True HD, that will hasten the fall of the physical disc for many.
post #41 of 229
Any idea about the file sizes involved from iTunes & vudu?
post #42 of 229
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Originally Posted by bighifi View Post

Well that is why I don't stream, I want the the best sound I can get as well as best picture. Unfortunately most younger people don't care about either, so I see blu ray going the way of the dodo

Most people in general don't care about quality. A lot of people of all ages have made comments to the effect of not caring about HD (!!!). Meanwhile, I hate SD (other than DVDs, which usually look great), and I am very picky about quality, which is why I use VUDU HDX a lot, as opposed to other, inferior formats. On my 60" screen, it looks perfect. Comcast, not so much. Not caring about Blu-ray has no connection to not caring about quality. VUDU HDX is visually and auditorally the same as Blu-Ray, even if close-up shots show the lossyness of the compression. I don't care about Blu-ray because physical media is irrelevant for most markets. I buy some specialty stuff (railroad videos) on Blu-Ray, because I can't get them digitally, but other than that, it's all digital unless someone brings a disc over. I won't waste my money on Blu-ray, and I really like the Roku's remote, as opposed to the atrocious user experience that is pretty much any modern Blu-ray player. We clearly are going away from physical media. It still sticks around for game consoles, and specialty programming, but other than that, it's steadily declining as people realize how archaic it really is.
post #43 of 229
Doesn't the Blu-ray copy have only a 5.1 native sound format? Do the streamers offer 7.1?
post #44 of 229
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Originally Posted by Turboo2u View Post

Doesn't the Blu-ray copy have only a 5.1 native sound format? Do the streamers offer 7.1?

VUDU on Roku is 7.1, except that there are only like 20 movies that are actually 7.1, and most of them are junk. Everything else is 5.1.
post #45 of 229
Nice write up. It clearly shows that streaming sucks biggrin.gif
post #46 of 229
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

8Gb sounds like it's been compressed a lot.

Most of my rips are 20-30gb, and that's just for the main movie and 1 audio track. No extras.

The Dark Knight, Casino Royale, and Black Hawks down rips, if I remember correctly are all over 30GB.

And I use MAKEMKV to rip my files.

A 30gb mkv bluray rip is really close to original bitrates, which would be pretty much on par with the original. I'm not really interested in a comparison between two examples that are prertty much identical, I'm hoping to see what the 8gb standard compressed bluray rip compares to the original.

8gb 1080p rips also happen to be the most common size on torrent sites.
post #47 of 229
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Originally Posted by bootman_head_fi View Post

Wow, DD5.1. How 1990s.
Also same quality as a DVD rip (bit wise not format wise of course)
All for the sake of a week's time?

It is MP3s all over again just this time its movies vs music.

Lets just fast forward to the "flac" version of this nonsense.tongue.gif

What ? Are you claiming you can tell the difference between Dolby Digital 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD 5.1 ? Let me guess, you post in the "No double blind test" forum on Head-Fi...
post #48 of 229
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Nice write up. It clearly shows that streaming sucks biggrin.gif

Sucks ? No. Good as BD ? No. More convenient than BD ? Yes. Is that worth it ? Only you can decide.

Codecs will become ever more optimized allowing improved video and audio in a smaller and smaller package. Streaming is the future. We will all laugh at content distribution via disks in the future just like we have done in the past with mini disc, dat, cassette and vinyl.
post #49 of 229
The prolem is the future is not here yet. I'll wait until streaming to be identical to BD before I move on to streaming; on the other hand, bu he time streaming equals BD quality, we'll have 4K.
post #50 of 229
Thread Starter 
Why is 'identical to BD' the threshold, just curious. Is there no value in a lower price, less consumer waste, convenience and immediate access to the movie without stern warnings of huge fines and imprisonment? I'm watching movies side-by-side now and sure if you pixel peep you see the inferiority of the streaming versions, but overall the experience is much better than some folks make it out to be. iTunes in particular appears to have improved markedly over the last year. I'm going to continue doing these comparisons, it will be interesting to watch the field evolve. Personally, I think a "quality war" is coming and Blu-ray will be challenged soon enough.
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

The prolem is the future is not here yet. I'll wait until streaming to be identical to BD before I move on to streaming; on the other hand, bu he time streaming equals BD quality, we'll have 4K.
post #51 of 229
Pixel peep? Hahahaha! There is no need for pixel peeping. The macroblocking as shown on the suit and softening of the overall picture is so blatant my wife asked "what's wrong with the movie?" And this is when I viewed it on my 55" from 12 ft away!!!

iTunes doesn't count because for the price of iTunes movie (rent or pirchase), I can rent/buy the actual blu-ray disc for even lower price!
post #52 of 229
One thing that impressed me here is the reviewer bought an itunes copy,... then bought a vudu copy,... then bought a Blu Ray that (may have) came with 4 versions: Blu Ray, DVD, Itunes, Vudu.

For a total of 6 copies.... wow.

I was thinking about this because my Blu Ray came with 4 copies and my neighbor asked to borrow the DVD. I was all sure,... I got 3 other copies!

-Brian
post #53 of 229
Thread Starter 
I'm doing another comparison for Argo, which was released one week early on both iTunes and Vudu. I watched the first half in iTunes already and tonight I'm going to finish it in Vudu. I'll get the Blu-ray on Tuesday.

If a movie does not get an early digital release, I will buy the Blu-ray and use the free digital copies.
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

One thing that impressed me here is the reviewer bought an itunes copy,... then bought a vudu copy,... then bought a Blu Ray that (may have) came with 4 versions: Blu Ray, DVD, Itunes, Vudu.

For a total of 6 copies.... wow.

I was thinking about this because my Blu Ray came with 4 copies and my neighbor asked to borrow the DVD. I was all sure,... I got 3 other copies!

-Brian
post #54 of 229
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Originally Posted by jonathanc View Post

What ? Are you claiming you can tell the difference between Dolby Digital 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD 5.1 ? Let me guess, you post in the "No double blind test" forum on Head-Fi...

I can on well recorded sound tracks, but to be fair those lately have been far and few between. frown.gif
So I guess it doesn't matter on say "The Notebook".

...and like many over at head-fi (haven't been there in a while) I can tell the difference between a 128bit mp3 and flac.
If you can't. good for you since you are saving a ton on $$$. smile.gif

But SQ aside, I can easily tell between 8-10Mbit encoding vs 30-40 on hard media with 1080p material.
If you are happy paying for crap. more power to you. rolleyes.gif

I just won't and can wait for the media release.wink.gif
post #55 of 229
So is this the one you put into that 50-y anniversary box set or that'll be a different release?
post #56 of 229
I was a vudu custumer since the very first days,I still own a original vudu box ,but I had lost my interest on vudu since walmart owns the company.

but talking about itunes, vudu and other streaming service I had seen the same movies on different streaming services but sometimes the same movie can look better on one service than the other or the opposite.


maybe is they way is encode?
post #57 of 229
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Originally Posted by imagic View Post

My internet clocks in at 60+ Mbps, pegs the Vudu speed meter immediately. Quality is not an issue, I built my PC this year with good parts. Gigabit wired connection, Nvidia GTX 660 video card etc. The PS3 is also connected via ethernet, not wireless so it's getting maximum bandwidth. Vudu is always 3 bars HDX.

Check it out, ran the test just before doing this comparison:


odd because i have the same speeds and mine is always 5 bars. I use the vudu native app through my 80 inch sharp and it looks extremely impressive to me.
Its also have a complete ISF calibration though.
post #58 of 229
Thread Starter 
What's odd about it. 3 bars is the max on the Vudu meter in Vudu's browser app, on my 55" Vizio, and on the PS3. I didn't know there is a Vudu meter with five bars. It's irrelevant, my point is I have all the bandwidth I need to guarantee Vudu is running at maximum quality.
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

odd because i have the same speeds and mine is always 5 bars. I use the vudu native app through my 80 inch sharp and it looks extremely impressive to me.
Its also have a complete ISF calibration though.
post #59 of 229

I think the quality difference is quickly becoming as small as whether you cleaned your glasses before you started viewing. Also, I don't buy the large screen makes everything of lesser quality stand out (much greater). I have a 120 inch image and the seating distance is roughly 1.25 - 1.50 times the screen's width. If you are actually watching a movie you can't stare at a small portion of the screen and study it enough to notice you are losing detail!

 

It's hard enough to take in the entire image. Sure just like convergence issues (much larger than the image differences here?) if you stand a foot away from the screen and A/B them you'll probably see a difference. Sure I want the best but at some point one has to admit the experience is the same... many will never as they refuse to accept reality and need to believe they are above it...satisfying their belief that their standards bring them a superior experience.


Edited by Charles R - 2/15/13 at 11:13am
post #60 of 229
Based on what I see here Blu Ray is by far the version I want to watch. Folks complain about wasting money on Blu Ray- really? Here in NYC it's far cheaper to buy a 14.99 or a 19.99 Blu Ray and enjoy it in the peace and quiet of my apartment on my 50inch Kuro vs going to the Theater with obnoxious sneezing, coughing, cell phone checking public. I would rather not waste my time- my $$ goes to Blu Ray.

Blu Ray also beats iTunes due to the 24 hour rental window. There are many times when we need to turn a movie off and come back to it later.

I can buy a Blu ray on Amazon, keep the digital copy- sell back the disc and most times it ends costing me the same as a rental.
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