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post #61 of 153
2/19/13 at 3:39pm
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Since I'm under 50% CPU on level 5g with my desktop I'm probably ok.

I'll increase the threads and test tonight.

But I'm happy it's working fine on the max setting I don't really use my desktop to actually watch anything. Just play and test.

My HTPC is a 3570k. I installed SVP on that yesterday. SVP autodetected at 4G level. I do not have a video card. Just HD4000 integrated graphics.

It appears to run 4G level just fine without a video card which makes me think I could do level 5g with a video card.
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post #62 of 153
2/20/13 at 7:52pm
FYI, madshi released madVR .86
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post #63 of 153
2/20/13 at 9:48pm
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FYI, madshi released madVR .86

I don't understand what madVR's FRC is doing. Is it frame-doubling or frame interpolation like SVP? I've read elsewhere that this could eliminate 3:2 pulldown judder... but I don't see how you can fit 24 frames into 60 without some sort of false frames.
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post #64 of 153
2/21/13 at 12:09am
FYI: Since many are concerned with keeping the HTPC just powerful enough to play their movies without compromising noise, you can also just convert the movies themselves, instead of on-the-fly like SVP.

From the bottom of the SVP page is a link to http://www.spirton.com/convert-videos-to-60fps/

I think I'll give this a try instead, although for Step 11 I don't think I'd let it drop the quality any. I assume a 0 here would be 1:1 quality encoding like most other software.

So, it's basically personal preference for storage space vs HTPC performance(and it's possible higher noise).
Edited by daemonfly - 2/21/13 at 12:26am
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post #65 of 153
2/21/13 at 1:32am
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for Step 11 I don't think I'd let it drop the quality any. I assume a 0 here would be 1:1 quality encoding like most other software.

So, it's basically personal preference for storage space vs HTPC performance(and it's possible higher noise).

With CRF = 0, the size of a 2 hour movie after conversion could be 60-120GB. This may decrease compression artifacts if any but won't decrease frame interpolation artifacts at all.

It's similar to creating and storing a HD video file from a SD content by upscaling...
Edited by renethx - 2/21/13 at 8:17am
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post #66 of 153
2/21/13 at 5:42am
If I already have MPC+Lav+Madvr+Reclock set up is it ok to install just the lite version?

I am afraid to download the full and have a newer version of MPC which may not work with mediabrowser. Also any other possible problems...
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post #67 of 153
2/21/13 at 6:38am
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You should b ok
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post #68 of 153
2/21/13 at 6:53am
You will need to install Avisynth and ffdshow in addition to Lite. Then add ffdshow raw video filter below LAV Video Decoder in External Filters of MPC-HC. That's it. It does not matter what DirectShow player you use. As long as either ffdshow Video Decoder or ffdshow raw video filter is inserted between the video decoder and the video renderer, SVP will work (ffdshow Video Decoder also acts as the decoder of course)..
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post #69 of 153
2/21/13 at 7:03am
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You should b ok

Thanks, I tried lite but said I needed avisynth.

Also I am confused as to why it needs ffdshow? I thought I was supposed to avoid that when using lav and madvr. Oh well.
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post #70 of 153
2/21/13 at 7:03am
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You will need to install Avisynth and ffdshow in addition to Lite. Then add ffdshow raw video filter below LAV Video Decoder in External Filters of MPC-HC. That's it. It does not matter what DirectShow player you use. As long as either ffdshow Video Decoder or ffdshow raw video filter is inserted between the video decoder and the video renderer, SVP will work (ffdshow Video Decoder also acts as the decoder of course)..

Didn't see this right away. Thanks!
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post #71 of 153
2/21/13 at 7:28am
ffdshow's only role is call SVP via Avisynth script.
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post #72 of 153
2/21/13 at 8:13am
Excellent, can't wait to get home and try this out!

Hopefully I won't get the upgrade bug like mfusick....I have an i5 760, 8gb ram and a Nvidia GTX 460....though an 8 core amd FX + mobo is around $200...biggrin.gif
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post #73 of 153
2/21/13 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by Puwaha View Post

I don't understand what madVR's FRC is doing. Is it frame-doubling or frame interpolation like SVP? I've read elsewhere that this could eliminate 3:2 pulldown judder... but I don't see how you can fit 24 frames into 60 without some sort of false frames.

Perhaps you'd better see yourself (this post). Individual blended frame (yes, madVR's SM is frame blending, with or without gamma correction) must be ugly, but you will never recognize them in motion.
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post #74 of 153
2/21/13 at 9:08am
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Excellent, can't wait to get home and try this out!

Hopefully I won't get the upgrade bug like mfusick....I have an i5 760, 8gb ram and a Nvidia GTX 460....though an 8 core amd FX + mobo is around $200...biggrin.gif


I have not upgraded anything. My desktop is over 12 months old. My HTPC near that.

I was just lucky enough to have hardware that worked well.

I don't even have a video card in my HTPC. It's just a 3570k.

It auto detected and runs level 4G very well.

My desktop workstation can do 5g but I don't use that for watching. Just testing and playing around.
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post #75 of 153
2/21/13 at 12:08pm
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I have not upgraded anything. My desktop is over 12 months old. My HTPC near that.

I was just lucky enough to have hardware that worked well.

I don't even have a video card in my HTPC. It's just a 3570k.

It auto detected and runs level 4G very well.

My desktop workstation can do 5g but I don't use that for watching. Just testing and playing around.

Wasn't suggesting you did upgrade...but when you got to asking about what should be had to run this at higher levels...my mind starting running all over the place wink.gif.
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post #76 of 153
2/21/13 at 1:16pm
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biggrin.gif I am not against upgrading though eek.gif
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post #77 of 153
2/21/13 at 4:57pm
What kind of processor do you have to run at 4g?
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post #78 of 153
2/21/13 at 5:11pm
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What kind of processor do you have to run at 4g?

I run 4g on my HTPC with an i5 3570k CPU and no graphics card. Just integrated Intel HD4000 graphics.

It auto detects as 4g and runs smooth and very well.

I did not try 5G (yet)
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post #79 of 153
2/22/13 at 4:22am
So I played with this yesterday. Made my plasma look like those 120hz/240hz which is what I expected. Still don't personally like it for all content. But yea animation looked crazy.

Also I gotta play around with it a bit as I got the high cpu usage. Not familiar enough with the settings and what to adjust.

But overall this is pretty damn cool.

Also compared to those LED tv's there was little to no ghosting type effect. Could have been a dropped frame here and there...also when I noticed it, it was from a tv show recorded so that may have had something to do with it.

Anyways, good stuff.
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post #80 of 153
2/22/13 at 7:01am
Isn't this something that would be more efficiently performed within the decoder, where motion vectors are exposed?
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post #81 of 153
2/22/13 at 7:52pm
I've been hoping against hope that one of the GPU manufacturers would implement this in silicon, but nothing so far.
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post #82 of 153
2/22/13 at 9:48pm
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Isn't this something that would be more efficiently performed within the decoder, where motion vectors are exposed?

Yes, it is ironic as SVP breaks the picture up into blocks to re-calculate the motion vectors,partially reversing the decode process this takes up a lot of computing resources
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post #83 of 153
3/4/13 at 10:33am
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I've been hoping against hope that one of the GPU manufacturers would implement this in silicon, but nothing so far.

Do you use it for everything you watch ?
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post #84 of 153
3/4/13 at 9:22pm
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Do you use it for everything you watch ?

Movies? Yes. I can't stand 24fps... it judders too much on pans for my eyes.
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post #85 of 153
3/5/13 at 4:55am
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Do you use it for everything you watch ?

Movies? Yes. I can't stand 24fps... it judders too much on pans for my eyes.

It takes some getting used to. That's for sure.
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post #86 of 153
3/6/13 at 7:58am
i just tried this with Despicable Me...HOLY CRAP it was amazing!!!!!

i'd actually go as far as saying that it was better 3D than a 3D movie

i used MPC-HC>SVP (at 2g)>MadVR (highest quality)
Edited by mcantu1 - 3/6/13 at 8:03am
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post #87 of 153
3/7/13 at 9:46am
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i just tried this with Despicable Me...HOLY CRAP it was amazing!!!!!

i'd actually go as far as saying that it was better 3D than a 3D movie

i used MPC-HC>SVP (at 2g)>MadVR (highest quality)

What are your specs?


I just put together a new system with an A10-5800k CPU and only using onboard 7660D GPU. I cannot get smooth playback at all with 720p or 1080p files. I have obviously not set things up properly as it even stutters slightly without engaging svp at all. It even stutters in xbmc. I have not loaded any codecs/decoders/etc besides the usual recommended ones (LAV, MadVR, FFdshow). I can't imagine that processor is not strong enough to manage 1080p MKV let alone 720p files. I have tried it on all svp presets and no dice. Any suggestions on how to set up my GPU? Wth am I missing??? I am using most recent catalyst drivers.
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post #88 of 153
3/7/13 at 10:09am
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I can't imagine that processor is not strong enough to manage 1080p MKV let alone 720p files. .

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A10-5800K+APU&id=1446

It's much weaker than an i5.

Not really powerful enough to run SVP on level 5G but you should find results on lower levels. What levels do you have it set to?

Try level 2G. Then try 3G. Then Try 4G. Move up and stop when it performs poorly.

When you start up SVP or change back to default what is the recommended auto detected setting ?? What score?
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post #89 of 153
3/7/13 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A10-5800K+APU&id=1446

It's much weaker than an i5.

Not really powerful enough to run SVP on level 5G but you should find results on lower levels. What levels do you have it set to?

Try level 2G. Then try 3G. Then Try 4G. Move up and stop when it performs poorly.

When you start up SVP or change back to default what is the recommended auto detected setting ?? What score?

I have tried all presets. When I reset to default, it initially set me at 4g on stock everything. I don't recall the score, and I'm not at home right now.

I have since tried every one of the presets and get stuttering with them all. I don't think this is an svp problem. It seems like it may be the gpu settings in general. It stutters in every player I try with or without svp running.

I'll have to keep working on settings, but you think the hardware should be good enough for at least 2g if not 3g presets?

Are there any settings guidelines you can recommend for catalyst? I know I'm missing something embarrassingly simple. Thanks.
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post #90 of 153
3/7/13 at 2:57pm
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What are your specs?


I just put together a new system with an A10-5800k CPU and only using onboard 7660D GPU. I cannot get smooth playback at all with 720p or 1080p files. I have obviously not set things up properly as it even stutters slightly without engaging svp at all. It even stutters in xbmc. I have not loaded any codecs/decoders/etc besides the usual recommended ones (LAV, MadVR, FFdshow). I can't imagine that processor is not strong enough to manage 1080p MKV let alone 720p files. I have tried it on all svp presets and no dice. Any suggestions on how to set up my GPU? Wth am I missing??? I am using most recent catalyst drivers.

What kind of RAM do you have? Do you have it in dual channel or single channel mode?
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