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post #31 of 87
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

Well, considering that the typical human hearing range is 12 Hz to 20 kHz it doesn't really matter if a system's extension goes beyond 20 kHz. And, it just gets worse with age.

and yet some people are able to consistently pick out hi res music tracks. So there is something that we don't yet fully understand about human perception of high frequency sound. Maybe we can perceive overtones above 20k but not fundamentals? I'm not sure of the science, but clearly its not as simple as saying we cannot detect any information at all in those registers.
post #32 of 87
Actually, it is that simple. Also, I said the "typical" range was 12 Hz to 20 kHz. I'm sure there is a small percentage that might be able to detect a bit above that range. There is also a small percentage of people that maintain very good hearing well into old age. But, I think what you are referring to is the audiophile "golden ears" phenomenon.
post #33 of 87
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

Actually, it is that simple. Also, I said the "typical" range was 12 Hz to 20 kHz. I'm sure there is a small percentage that might be able to detect a bit above that range. There is also a small percentage of people that maintain very good hearing well into old age. But, I think what you are referring to is the audiophile "golden ears" phenomenon.
I don't mean to get off topic with this but I agree that most people, myself included, can't hear much near 20kHz. My thought is that the specs are given as -3dB (1/2 power) at that limit and it's that amplitude distortion that is being heard. A flat frequency response out to the limit of hearing should give a good reproduction. I'm thinking that -1dB or less would be a better measurement. If a speaker is -3dB at 26kHz then it's probably -2dB or better at the limit of hearing.
I've been doing some reading on the side effects of the different low pass filters used with the higher sample rates. The higher sample rates and slower filters allow a more rapid response to an impulse or square wave signal and also reduce the ringing distortion that can occur when these very fast signals are bandwidth limited (digitized). The standard CD filter performs a 120dB reduction in one octave between 22kHz and 44kHz. A passive 2nd order speaker crossover is 12dB per octave and causes less of this distortion.
It is possible that upsampling from 44kHz to 88kHz or 176kHz in the DAC, just to use the slower filters, would have the same effect as sampling and archiving the source at the higher rates. Some DACs would allow this comparison, but this player doesn't seem to have a way to control and compare upsampling.

PS. I was looking at the specs for my amp and it's rated at 0..-3dB from DC to 200kHz. I'd never try to say that I could hear anything at 200kHz either but I'd bet that it's got a flat frequency response from 20Hz to 20kHz.
Edited by enlisted23 - 6/19/13 at 3:21pm
post #34 of 87
This is going to seem like an odd question, so please don't jump to a conclusion until you've done a listening comparison. I was wondering if anyone has compared listening to the same music in WAV format versus ALAC or FLAC format. I believe that I'm hearing some type of noise when playing one format that isn't present in the other. I mostly leave the player in the pure direct mode from a USB FLASH and out through the analog cables and didn't try comparing the network or CD sources. The compressed files were ripped from the same CD as the WAV files. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else has compared the sound quality of the different encoding formats.

--- Never mind. It appears that this is a year old discussion and the subject of several threads and that I should NEVER EVER even consider subscribing to The Absolute Sound rag.
Based on what I know now, I see a lot of uncompressed WAV files in my future.

PS. I've given up on the EAC+LAME MP3 encoder as it sounds awful for some reason. I'm using Windows MediaPlayer MP3 320kbps which produces larger files, but sounds MUCH better. I'm still using EAC for WAV and FLAC files because the freeDB data that it uses works better for many albums. It's funny that the MS Windows Media database will insert kanji characters that can't be displayed in WMP - it only shows square boxes for the characters. The CD-N500 will correctly display the kanji on the front panel. This was true for some Japanese CD pressings of pop music that I have.
Edited by enlisted23 - 7/9/13 at 2:49pm
post #35 of 87
OK, couple of questions for other owners:
Have you been able to attach a hard drive to the USB port successfully? My HDD didn't work and I had to get a Seagate Central 3TB NAS drive.
Does anyone know if this unit supports a gigabit network?
Thanks
post #36 of 87
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Originally Posted by Thunder240 View Post

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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

Well, considering that the typical human hearing range is 12 Hz to 20 kHz it doesn't really matter if a system's extension goes beyond 20 kHz. And, it just gets worse with age.

and yet some people are able to consistently pick out hi res music tracks. So there is something that we don't yet fully understand about human perception of high frequency sound. Maybe we can perceive overtones above 20k but not fundamentals? I'm not sure of the science, but clearly its not as simple as saying we cannot detect any information at all in those registers.

The only way I know of to consistently pick out so-called hi-rez music is either a sighted evaluation or recordings that are differently mastered in their new versions.

If you compare apples to apples, its a lot of random guessing.

Saying that human hearing can detect the loss of music above 20 KHz is wildly optimistic. The actual number is more like 16 KHz for young listeners, lower for older ones.
post #37 of 87
Hi Enlisted23,
from what the manual says the network port is a 10/100 one. About the hard drive connectivity: "Do not connect devices other than USB mass storage class (MSC) devices: USB chargers, USB hubs, PCs, external HDs, etc.". In addition, these devices should be in FAT 16/32 formatted.

Hope I answered your questions,
Giuseppe.
post #38 of 87
You can connect external hard drives but must be formatted in:) fat 16 or 32....since fat 32 only supports partitions of about 32GB you can't use drives bigger then that unless you split them in various partitions, and I'm not sure if the CDN 500 supports HDD with more then one partition.

The network port is 10\100 and is fast enough to stream music!
post #39 of 87
Thanks for the replies. I was hoping that it could connect to a USB backup drive - Seagate GoFlex. I have a 32GB FLASH stick but wanted to have a larger dedicated storage unit. The reason that I asked about the network speed is that transferring the large files from the PC to the NAS was slower than I expected at 100Mbps. I'll try setting the router to 1G and see if it still works OK at 100M to the CD. The GoFlex works fine when connected to the routers USB port but I don't have a DLNA server running on the router yet.

So the previous suggestions to Yamaha about providing ripping capability and a rear USB that supports a backup or external HDD would have worked better, had it been built in. But then it might have had issues with the encoders, like LAME, so I can't really complain about the way it's set up.
Edited by enlisted23 - 6/21/13 at 8:44am
post #40 of 87
there is no problem to enable the 1Gbps rate on the router.
I have mine connected to a 1G router and works fine....it automatically uses 100Mbps speeds for the streamer and 1Gbps to the connection between the pc and NAS.

In that way you can have nice transfer speeds from your pc tou your NAS and still streaming files to the CDN500
post #41 of 87
Thanks for the replies bepsx and SkyWaLKeR1982. The NAS is working well with the PC at 1000 and the CD-N500 is still connecting at 10/100 with the router.
Now I've got another setup question for the NAS. Because my ears and my amp seem to have good days and bad and the MP3 files usually don't sound as well as I'd hoped, I'd like to move the MP3 files into folders that the CD-N500 can't see so that only the FLAC, ALAC and WAV files are found by it. I'd like to keep the MP3 files available on the network for other devices.
So what's the best folder structure containing the same music files in multiple formats? I believe that the NAS can grant access to specific folders to users and devices but wasn't sure if this is the best or only route. Does it work well to organize the folders like this and use the NAS to control access to each tree?
MP3/artist/album
lossless/WAV/artist/album
lossless/FLAC/artist/album
lossless/ALAC/artist/album

I'm also not sure what the best way is to get separate views for genre - classical, pop, folk, ... Does it work best to use the tags and the player for that or to further divide the folder structure? Thanks.
post #42 of 87
to me looks a good way, but if I were you, I would keep just one folder for mp3, and other one to the lossless files, just to keep it easier.
When you view the songs by genre you need to have them all with tags, and that is impossible with wav files....
post #43 of 87

Hi folks, this is my first contact with this Forum, there seems to be a good thread for the CD-N500 music player.

 

I have just bought one and am more than pleased with what I have been able to play so far. CD is so much better than my Cambridge Audio Universal player memory stick in USB port is great but my esternal HDD drive could not be seen even when formatted to FAT32. I have been able to locate my laptop and PC as servers but then discovered that WMP will not stream FLAC files. So.... decided to get a WD My Book Live to store all my music and store my CDs. Cannot get the CD-N500 to see the NAS, been through the instructions and have set sharing for the player on the WD drive but still nothing.

 

Does anyone have any ideas, I like to think I have some knowledge, but as they say a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing!

post #44 of 87
Instead of using the crippled WMP, try foobar2000 with the UPnP/DLNA Renderer, Server, Control Point component.
post #45 of 87

Thanks, I want to play through the Yamaha CD-N500, I have just found that I can stream FLAC to WMP or VLC from the NAS though but that is not my plan.

post #46 of 87

Well I seem to have partly resolved the problem by re-booting the modem/router. Still have a small but very annoying issue; the NAS and Yamaha CD N500 seem not to get on as they stop speaking to each other from time to time and I loose control from the android app from Yamaha. Any suggestions on this?

post #47 of 87
Which firmware version are you using?
When they released 2.01 it was supposed to solve problems with some NAS.....and few days ago they released a newer one...2.02...so if you still have an older version you can give it a try.


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post #48 of 87
It sounds like the router may be resetting or may have a bad ethernet wire. The WiFi for the app needs to go through the router and then to the player. I tried a couple of routers with mine from an Android phone and an iPod and never had a problem. Would you be able to swap the ethernet wire from the router to the player to see if the wire is bad?

Thanks for the update notice, SkyWaLKeR1982. I haven't checked since July. That update caused a glitch in the sound when switching to/from pure direct mode. Do you know if the new update changed that?

I also discovered (by accident) that it plays HD AIFF files nicely. That's Apples version of a WAV file with tags - like uncompressed FLAC. I don't believe that format is listed in the documentation but it is available from HDTracks. I've been using 32G USB thumb drives more than the DLNA NAS because I like the instant start up and the way it resumes playing from where it was when it was turned off.
post #49 of 87
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Originally Posted by SkyWaLKeR1982 View Post

Hi! Im thinking about to buy the cdn500 to stream music from my NAS... But I have some questions about the way the player is controlled from android or iOS devices.

Can someone tell me if its easy and quick to select an album to play using the app? Can you choose between navigate trought folders or TAGs?

I'm going to connect it to my Yamaha Rx V373....its better using the RCA cable or a digital?

Thanks in advance for any help you could give to decide if this is the wright streamer for me!

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SkyWaLKeR1982,
did you compare the sound of the digitial coax to the amp and the analog to the amp? I'm just curious because I'd like to update my old amp at some point but don't want to lose any of the detail in the sound. For the analog connection I'd suppose that you want to set the amp to a 2 channel stereo mode with a "pure direct" setting for the best results. Also, the type of analog RCA wires will matter. On a hunch I bought some of the Monster 850 cables for $5 from Crutchfield and liked them very much. These are made for the digital coax connection but work very well as audio interconnects because of the silver plating on the wires.
For $10 the Monster 850 component video cable could connect all 3 wires from the player to the amp.
I'm wondering if you found any differences between the 2 amp connections.
Thanks
post #50 of 87
I tried analog and digital optical...difference was small between both of them, but in my opinion analog gives a little more detailed sound...so is analog I'm using now...with qed performance rca cables.... Anyway my receiver is entry level.... Maybe if you use a medium or high end receiver you can achieve better quality going digital....

When changing to pure direct or from pure direct to regular mode I always got a small pause on music playback... No matter which firmware...

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post #51 of 87

I have now had a couple of weeks to play with my CD N500 and I really like the sound and how it works but the problem is "getting it to work to stream music"

 

My issue is still connection to my WD 1Tb My Book Live NAS. My Laptop and PC can see the NAS, and visa versa, at all times via WiFi, to the modem/router, but it seems that I can only get the CD N500 to see the NAS when the computers are off. The NAS and player are connected by ethernet cable through my Modem/ Router.

 

The player is set up for dynamic addressing. Should I change this to a static address or even get an Ethernet Switch box to have a more direct connection?

 

Any ideas anyone?

post #52 of 87
I had a similar problem when I was using my IPTV provider router to connect my streamer to the network...but in my case wasn't the streamer who stopped working but my IPTV box...and that because my old router was unable to keep 2 multicast devices at the same time.... So to begin with try to check on your router if it is using multicast for the WiFi devices....if yes try to disable it... If that doesn't work u can try to set static ip and if that doesn't work then u can try to get a switch...
If nothing of this works you may think of buying a new router...
post #53 of 87

I don't know whether following is relevant for HDD formatting (I know the manual says external-HDD connection is not possible):

I have a Marantz CD6003 and found I can only connect an external HDD if I configure it as follows:

Max partition is 250GB (260Gb failed)

Format FAT32 with 32Kb clusters (64Kb clusters did not work)

Only first partition is seen.

 

I configured it with EASUS Partition Master Home Edition, which is free.

 

I'd be interested to know whether an external HDD configured in this way would work with the Yamaha.

post #54 of 87
Can any user confirm gapless FLAC playback via DLNA as well as USB?
post #55 of 87

Well I think I have resolved my playback problems.

 

It appears that most British Telecom broadband modem/routers do no support DLNA.

 

I have an old Netgear (Wired) modem router which I am using as an ethernet switch and it has been working for a few days. Not all connections can be seen on the network at the moment bit I can play music!

 

Odd that the Android app can see the current track but not the album or the full listing of what is on the server. Maybe I will buy an ethernet switch and try that! Could look for a BT Homehum 3B as that is the one that is supposed to support DLNA.

post #56 of 87

Hello guys,

 

I have just received my new Yamaha N 500 cd player and I have some problems in connecting my hard drive to it through USB port (on display appear '' not connected " message and the second problem is that I cannot save my favourite radio stations to a list and because of it I need to research the radio station when I switch on the player.

Does anybody have such problems?

Thx

post #57 of 87
The hard drive needs to be formatted in fat32 otherwise is not recognized.... I don't know if you can save network radios.... Cause I don't use them....
post #58 of 87
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Originally Posted by SkyWaLKeR1982 View Post

The hard drive needs to be formatted in fat32 otherwise is not recognized.... I don't know if you can save network radios.... Cause I don't use them....


thank you.

post #59 of 87
Hello!
Yesterday bought NAS Synology DS213J, mounted disk, started Server Multimedia, put my music flac's and video to folders "music" and "video". Problem - CD-N500 doesn't see NAS frown.gif
Player connected to the internet via wi-fi access point (in client mode) and works ok - no problem with internet radio. Other devices in my home network also see NAS - tv (with wi-fi: view all folders and files in Server Multimedia plugin), desktop (also via wi-fi) and android gadget. But when I choose "Source=Server" - player shows "No content". Meanwhile "NP Controller"on my android phone see NAS and all folders and files, I can choose file to play - but player do nothing (and timecount stops).
I really need help
post #60 of 87
check if you have DLNA\upnp enabled on you NAS settings
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