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post #1081 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Gitaroo View Post

What's the verdict on triluminos tech guys? I will probably get a new tv in a year or two.


Personally Gitaroo I find the tech a waste. I feel Triluminous adds nothing to the PQ of the tv. I see no difference between the colors of my HX850 and the Sony TV's that have Triluminos just like I see barely any difference between 1080p and 4K. That's just me though.
post #1082 of 4333
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

The leo bodnar device isn't something you can get at your local wal-mart. Its over $130 shipped and they are in limited quantity. Most people don't buy a tv to run tests on it, they buy it to enjoy it. Im just obsessive over things, especially input lag.

I am sure I speak for the entire thread when I say...God bless you and your obsession biggrin.gif
post #1083 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Gitaroo View Post

What's the verdict on triluminos tech guys? I will probably get a new tv in a year or two.

For gaming i think the image really pops but I'm coming from a 06' Sharp LCD.
Going into next gen gaming i feel like im covered for at least 2 yrs in terms of tech.
PS4 and Xbox One should look beautiful on it. Anyway very happy with the TV overall.
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Coming from the HX850, there's just "something" about the W900 that makes the colors pop a bit more. I don't know if that's attributable to the Triluminos, tho. That said, all these Deep color/Extra color features should be taken with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, there is still a standard color gamut that all sets should adhere to. Features that take it outside of that standard are not desirable, imo.
post #1085 of 4333
Is there a way to illuminate the Sony logo?
post #1086 of 4333
The triluminous tech won't shine until blu-rays come out that support the extended color gamut. All other sources should look the same if its the standard color gamut. I will say though that on movies that have a lot of color, I notice if there are things on the screen that are the same color, but are not the EXACT same color, you can tell slight differences in the shades of them. I never noticed this with other sets, it would all just look the same.
post #1087 of 4333
But this set is great for gaming? I read that it's suppose to have amazing low input lag like computer mon. And if ps4 output at wider color gamut natively it should shine on the display right?
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Yes the PS4 will have triluminous color support.
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The support of triluminous is interesting. How is the 3D on this set?
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I highly recommend the W9 for gaming, movies, TVs! HA, just buy it if you're looking for a great LCD TV.
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Coming from the HX850, there's just "something" about the W900 that makes the colors pop a bit more. I don't know if that's attributable to the Triluminos, tho. That said, all these Deep color/Extra color features should be taken with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, there is still a standard color gamut that all sets should adhere to. Features that take it outside of that standard are not desirable, imo.


wth what your seeing is the result of the Triluminos and its why the colors pop a bit more then on the HX850. Good post and I agree with you 100% on what you said.
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UFO did you post your settings, i cant seem to find it. Just want to compare with what i have. thanks!
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

Yes the PS4 will have triluminous color support.

Are you talking about just supporting M4K Blu-Ray's, or also for gaming? Quite frankly, if it is just for BD, that's not really anything special.
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Originally Posted by wth718 View Post

Coming from the HX850, there's just "something" about the W900 that makes the colors pop a bit more. I don't know if that's attributable to the Triluminos, tho. That said, all these Deep color/Extra color features should be taken with a grain of salt. At the end of the day, there is still a standard color gamut that all sets should adhere to. Features that take it outside of that standard are not desirable, imo.
From another site thread I participated on I am the one asking the question.

This is Technically off topic, but not really. In your review of the Sony W900A, You stated with certainty that the Triluminous feature (Also on the Sony 4k) did not figure in the overall picture quality. And it only came into play with 4K Mastered content. Most of the other reviews of this TV state otherwise. CNET for example. Are you certain that the quantum dot technology has absolutely no impact on picture quality With HDTV 1080P content?
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Rasmus Larsen Mod Rnbarg • 3 days ago −
Thanks :-)

Yeah, positive. I had a long talk with Sony's Japanese engineers a while ago when I visited Sony's Hollywood movie studios for a presentation and tour. Basically you can say that color improvements can happen in two areas today. Either in bit depth (moving from today's 8 bit to 10 or 12 bit) or color gamut (moving from today's Rec.709 to x.v.Color or Rec.2020) - or both. Pretty much all mid-range to high-end TVs today can reproduce the Rec.709 color gamut fairly accurately (with calibration).

Triluminos aims to expand the color gamut to x.v.Color. That's the purpose. But no TV shows or movies are made in color gamuts wider than Rec.709, except the Mastered in 4K Blu-ray. Triluminos does nothing to increase color bit depth. Pretty much all content on the consumer market is still encoded in 8 bit.

Triluminos can have an impact on regular Blu-ray movies (not the Mastered in 4K ones) but only a negative one, where the TV tries to push the Blu-ray Rec.709 color gamut.
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Originally Posted by rnbarg View Post

Triluminos aims to expand the color gamut to x.v.Color. That's the purpose. But no TV shows or movies are made in color gamuts wider than Rec.709, except the Mastered in 4K Blu-ray.
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Triluminos can have an impact on regular Blu-ray movies (not the Mastered in 4K ones) but only a negative one, where the TV tries to push the Blu-ray Rec.709 color gamut.
Want to expand a bit on these pros and cons?wink.gif - Point is, it pretty much seems that the "Masterd in 4k" BDs do not contain expanded xvYCC chromacity. They contain just regular Rec.709 gamut, nothing more.
(Look eg. here - searching high & low, there is not really any color outside Rec.709 to be found...)

My interpretation is that Sony did master those '4k' disks with having their gamut-expansion-algorithm specifically in mind. Read: the master has color gamut wider than Rec709 to start with, thus you have to reduce/compress color gamut during mastering anyway. This has always been the game, and still is.
Probably, Sony now has tailored the necessary gamut compression more specifically to be the inversion of the color expansion algorithm used in the new W9 and X9 TVs. (Plus, switching the TV automatically to apropriate settings when using the right of Sony's BD players.)

In shorter words: no expanded color is present on those "expanded color" BDs. Sony just made the mastering so that the "guesswork" of the TV's color expansion algorithm will actuelly guess more correctly.

If there are any facts to prove that the above is wrong -- go ahead!
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Does anyone know if the sony "display speed preference" setting is actually overdrive? If its overdrive that would annoy me, as I can't stand overdrive artifacts.
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Sound like it turns off unneeded processing some where. From the manual:
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display speed preference: Reduces the picture delay to optimize the response to game
controllers/PC mouse operation.
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I finally pulled the trigger and got my W900A at a great price. Very happy so far.

Looking great so far, tests show I have a great set with no clouding, dead pixels and banding. Still running tests.

Would like to see if you guys have more settings to share on movies and games to try out!

Thanks in advance!
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Thought this was interesting...

"Continuing its rich heritage pf delivering the best products, Sony has won five prestigious awards from the EISA (European Imaging and Sound Association), the largest editorial multimedia organisation in Europe."

"The European TV of the year 2013-2014 award went to KDL-55W905A. This is the fourth year in a row that the EISA has conferred such a prestigious accolade on BRAVIA TV, and the W9 captures the beauty, emotion, drama and excitement of every moment with the best-ever picture and sound quality in a single TV. The combination of the latest X-Reality PRO engine and the new TRILUMINOS Display results in the best of colour and detail in pictures from any source. This top-of-the-range model also makes watching TV effortless by incorporating user control from Ar smartphone or tablet. All wrapped up in the stunning Sense of Quartz design."

http://www.eisa.eu/award/54/european-tv-2013-2014.html
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

Thought this was interesting...

"Continuing its rich heritage pf delivering the best products, Sony has won five prestigious awards from the EISA (European Imaging and Sound Association), the largest editorial multimedia organisation in Europe."

"The European TV of the year 2013-2014 award went to KDL-55W905A. This is the fourth year in a row that the EISA has conferred such a prestigious accolade on BRAVIA TV, and the W9 captures the beauty, emotion, drama and excitement of every moment with the best-ever picture and sound quality in a single TV. The combination of the latest X-Reality PRO engine and the new TRILUMINOS Display results in the best of colour and detail in pictures from any source. This top-of-the-range model also makes watching TV effortless by incorporating user control from Ar smartphone or tablet. All wrapped up in the stunning Sense of Quartz design."

http://www.eisa.eu/award/54/european-tv-2013-2014.html


Congrats to Sony. To win the award 4 years in a row for their TV's is something to be proud of and still shows they are at the top of their game. Again congrats to Sony.




Forgot to ask.....what Sony Bravia won it last year?


Forget it I just found out.......it was the HX850!!!! biggrin.gif
Edited by steve1971 - 8/19/13 at 6:11am
post #1101 of 4333
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

Does anyone know if the sony "display speed preference" setting is actually overdrive? If its overdrive that would annoy me, as I can't stand overdrive artifacts.

Okay UFO...since you use this TV for your PC and since you are obsessed with input lag like me...a few questions for you biggrin.gif

1. When is the "Display Speed Preference" option not grayed out? Graphics mode? And what is overdrive? What do the artifacts look like?

2. There were a lot of posts debating whether the TV has 120Hz support or not. What is it normally at when you plug in your PC? 60Hz? I would imagine that it wasn't at 240Hz because if it was, why would you want to downgrade to 120Hz? tongue.gif

3. I am going to probably try and plug in my PC for the first time this weekend. I have a lot of doubt that it will be up to my standards in terms of input lag, though. Even at 17ms in Graphics mode, I feel that I will notice the difference coming from a 2ms monitor. Do you have any thoughts on that? Have you noticed huge differences?

4. Lastly, how does the picture look when you plug in your PC? I tried plugging in my PC to my Sammy LCD a few years ago and the picture quality was absolutely horrendous! Very grainy looking and not worth the time it took to set everything up.

THANKS! cool.gif
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Originally Posted by Jsprings View Post

Okay UFO...since you use this TV for your PC and since you are obsessed with input lag like me...a few questions for you biggrin.gif

1. When is the "Display Speed Preference" option not grayed out? Graphics mode? And what is overdrive? What do the artifacts look like?

2. There were a lot of posts debating whether the TV has 120Hz support or not. What is it normally at when you plug in your PC? 60Hz? I would imagine that it wasn't at 240Hz because if it was, why would you want to downgrade to 120Hz? tongue.gif

3. I am going to probably try and plug in my PC for the first time this weekend. I have a lot of doubt that it will be up to my standards in terms of input lag, though. Even at 17ms in Graphics mode, I feel that I will notice the difference coming from a 2ms monitor. Do you have any thoughts on that? Have you noticed huge differences?

4. Lastly, how does the picture look when you plug in your PC? I tried plugging in my PC to my Sammy LCD a few years ago and the picture quality was absolutely horrendous! Very grainy looking and not worth the time it took to set everything up.

THANKS! cool.gif

1. The "display speed preference" is grayed out in game and graphics mode, and is forced on. Running some tests, it seems to not be overdrive, and if it is, its not enough to cause any artifacts. Artifacts from overdrive are called "inverse ghosting". In other words, its like ghosting but instead the panel overshoots the correct shade and you get ghosting like artifacts.

2. This set does not accept anything over 60hz.

3. I doubt your monitor (if not CRT) has 2ms input lag. Response time alone on LCD monitors is going to be above 6ms (except ones with lightboost). For example, a monitor I got recently claims "7ms response time". I hooked it up to my input lag tester and the input lag reads 17.6ms, much higher then the claimed 7ms because response time does not include input lag. Input lag however includes response time in the measurement.

4. This TV looks amazing with PC use. Just put it in graphics mode, change the color temp to "neutral", and fiddle with the other settings until you are satisfied with the results.
post #1103 of 4333
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

1. The "display speed preference" is grayed out in game and graphics mode, and is forced on. Running some tests, it seems to not be overdrive, and if it is, its not enough to cause any artifacts. Artifacts from overdrive are called "inverse ghosting". In other words, its like ghosting but instead the panel overshoots the correct shade and you get ghosting like artifacts.

2. This set does not accept anything over 60hz.

3. I doubt your monitor (if not CRT) has 2ms input lag. Response time alone on LCD monitors is going to be above 6ms (except ones with lightboost). For example, a monitor I got recently claims "7ms response time". I hooked it up to my input lag tester and the input lag reads 17.6ms, much higher then the claimed 7ms because response time does not include input lag. Input lag however includes response time in the measurement.

4. This TV looks amazing with PC use. Just put it in graphics mode, change the color temp to "neutral", and fiddle with the other settings until you are satisfied with the results.

Thanks, UFO. Can't wait to try it out this weekend! What I meant was response time. not input lag. And that is solely based on the product description provided by the manufacturer rolleyes.gif
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UFO please could you test the input lag in graphics mode with SBM on and off. I'd be interested to know if it makes a difference.

SBM is found in Settings/Display/Video Input Settings/SBM.

Many thanks.
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You just answered every question I had about this TV. Thanks for posting your feedback. I look forward to picking one of these up.
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You just answered every question I had about this TV. I look forward to picking one of these up.
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon View Post

Greetings all....long read in-coming! smile.gif

Just wanted to pop in and say hello as a new owner of this set. I previously had the Sony XBR-929 55" as my main living room T.V. but my fiancée wanted something bigger, so we decided to go with the 70" Sony KDL700A. While it looked impressive and of course the sheer size of the unit was massive, we were taken back a bit at the overall quality, especially when looking at txt (we have a gaming PC connected to it). While we never used the 3d Functions of the 929, we were impressed with the Passive 3d of the 700A, but something was still not sitting well for us. We also use it for gaming on the PS3/Xbox 360 and while it did look good, it was just not as crisp as the 929. The 929 when it came out was and still is a top of the line T.V. and the 700a, with it's massive size, just could not keep up with the Image quality of the 929...we kind of knew this going it, but really could not know until we got it home.

We contemplated getting the 65" XBR 4K set, but just could not commit to it because of the lack of 4k at 60fps and uncertain of what Sony's plans are for the early adopter and upgrading to HDMI 2.0. So we were kind of in a pickle on what to do. We looked high and low for a XBR-65" 850, which was the 2012 version of the 929, but could not find at any local store and was not too comfortable ordering from some of the on-line places that we never heard of. Crutchfield did have it, but they wanted 5k for it while the other places had it for $3800.00..

We know we wanted to keep the 929 upstairs in our other viewing room, so we started to look into the 55" 900. While it would be the same size as the 929, I have heard nothing but good things about it. While our goal was to go bigger (in size), we also wanted excellent image quality. As we went back and forth on what to do, we knew taking the 700a back to Costco was first on the list. Our options were to move the 929 back to the living room and just wait it out, keep looking for a good price on a 65" 850 (which would not happen since it was discontinued) or go for the 900 and let that hold us over until newer 4k unit's show up.

In the end, we decided to go with the 55" 900. We got lucky and a Best Buy 30 min away had one in-stock. These sets are usually not stocked in the Stores, but when I called they first said "NO, we don't have those in the Store". I told the clerk that it says "Available" on-line, then he shot back with a "hmmm, let me go look". He came back in a few min. and said he did have it. Since it was odd that they had one, I did make sure to have him check if it was a return and previously opened. He said it was brand new and likely someone ordered it and it was shipped to them and the person cancelled. Since all the BB in my area are non-Magnolia, they did not have a display, so all I had was user impressions from here and a few reviews.

We took the drive down and had them pull it out so I could inspect the box to ensure it was not opened and it looked new other than evidence a packing slip was attached to it at one time. We purchased it and took it home. The entire drive home, I was having a little buyers remorse. We had taken the 70" back to Costco and looked at what other sets they had. Although we only had the 70" for about 4 days, we got use to the size and Costco had a Samsung 55" next to a 60" on the left and 70" on the right and it looked just TINY. I was worried that now that I had a 70" in the house, would a 55" be too small now? Our 929 we had for over 2 years or so and it seemed like the perfect size. We sit about 7' away from the TV and when we had the 70" we put it as close to the wall which gave us a good 8' viewing distance and it seemed massive, but impressive still. But image quality was always the most important to both of us.

We get home and me and the fiancée move the TV stand about 4" away from the wall since we had moved it back against the wall for the 70" to create some more room between the seating and the front of the 70". We open the box and start the unpacking. I put the stand together quickly and the first thing we both said "damn it is tiny". Again, referring to the massive 70" we just had. First thing I notice and so does the fiancée is that it's overall dimensions is smaller than the 929 due to the 900 being more like a computer monitor and having a small profile around the actual screen. Of course, we both say it again "it is tiny". We connect the stand and place it on the TV stand. Of course being anal retentive, I use a tape measure to ensure that the screen is 100% straight in that it is an equal distance on each side of the tv stand and that it is the same distance on the left and right side from the wall. Then I have to check that it is 100% dead center and lined up with my center speaker that I have on a shelf above it. Once the anal retentiveness is over with the gleaming look the fiancée is giving me because I am making sure it is perfect, we connect the power, HDMI and wired internet.

We have a Harmony controller and lucky enough, Sony uses the same access codes for the receiver in almost every unit, so no reprogramming of the Harmony is needed. Upon power up, it detects the new firmware and we update. Once that is done, we go through all the initial set up and I notice a lot of options I did not know this set had and still need to read up on them. Once we get it all configured it is time to mess with settings. After tinkering for a while, we both are impressed with the image quality of our Comcast HD feed, but of course Blu Ray is the better test and in particular we are curious about 3D since this set came with 4 sets of glasses. I try to explain to my fiancée that these are a little heavier since they are adaptive 3d, not passive like the 70". We both really liked the 70" passive 3d, but both, especially me were able to detect the lines within some images due to how passive handles 3d. We decide to use Avatar since we had just watched it a few days earlier in 3d on the 70".

WOW is what we both said. I know passive is cheaper and glasses are light in weight, but adaptive looks so much better that passive. No lines, just pure 3d image and impressive. When some txt is on the screen from sub-titles there is a little ghosting of the image, but it was so much cleaner than the 70". We skip around different scenes and then pop in Avengers. Again, we both are impressed. It is dinner time, so decide to watch Disc 1 of the Hobbit and just falling in love with the image quality and the 3d effect.

Gaming on PS3, 360 and PC was up next and yeah, I am blown away. I always thought my 929 was the best IQ I had seen for gaming, blu ray etc, but this was just blowing me away. Input lag is really low and I can tell. In some of my racing games, I was able to get my best lap times in 5 out of 6 different tracks after one try. This is a game that I have played for over a year and in the 1 hour I played I was getting my best lap times. The 929 also has low input lag, but I guess it is no match for the 900. With the PC it is even better since our gaming rig has 2 GTX Titan's, so power is in surplus and we use every option on max to get the best image quality out of the games and on the 900 it really shines. Games like Witcher 2 never looked so good. Grid 2, Skyrim, Sonic Generations (very colorful) all just pop on the screen. I am just really impressed with how good gaming looks on this set.

I am still doing some tweaking of the settings, but in the short time I have had it, I am shocked at how nice this set is. My only wish is that they made a 65" version. That would be the icing on the cake for us. But even though we had to stick with the same size as our previous set, our biggest goal was to have great image quality and the 900 delivers that in spades.
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I read a large portion of the thread a few days ago, and decided to pick up a w900 from a local Magnolia Hi-Fi. My impressions are pretty favorable. The cinema guys at the store were lamenting that the W900 isn't popular because it isn't 60+" TV. I even compared the blacks to a Panasonic ZT plasma. The ZT has noticeably better black, but I think the Sony does well enough.

The display is also really quick. The people who measured the input lag on this display weren't kidding. I can't sense any input lag when set to Graphics mode when I hooked it up to my PC. I'm also surprised that when hooked up to a computer I can actually set the refresh rate of the TV at 24fps while keeping my main computer monitor at 60. Media playback from a computer is really smooth. I couldn't do this with old Sony HDTV.
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Hope this doesn't irk anyone, but Sony just announced that they are slashing the prices of their 4K XBR sets, and are releasing two speakerless (thank goodness) versions.

 

For comparison to the W900A:

 

55" XBR 4K X9 without speakers: $3500

65" XBR 4K X9 without speakers: $5000

 

I point this out, because this current plunge might put that 4K into striking range for some of you.

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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Hope this doesn't irk anyone, but Sony just announced that they are slashing the prices of their 4K XBR sets, and are releasing two speakerless (thank goodness) versions.

For comparison to the W900A:

55" XBR 4K X9 without speakers: $3500
65" XBR 4K X9 without speakers: $5000

I point this out, because this current plunge might put that 4K into striking range for some of you.


Ummmmmm....not for me. Not even close UFO.
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Originally Posted by steve1971 View Post

Ummmmmm....not for me. Not even close UFO.

Huh? O.o
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