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Originally Posted by vikram404 View Post

Hi All,

After reading this thread, I read multiple of mentions of a W850A Model being on the way. I dont see a 55inch W850A listed - is there a 55inch W850A on the roadmap from Sony? Does anybody have any idea when this model is going to be released?

Thanks,
Vikram

Hi, the W850A is 65 inches and is currently available on Sony's website.
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Thanks!
Will this is be 65 inch only or do we see a 55 inch also being released soon? biggrin.gif

Vikram
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Originally Posted by vikram404 View Post

Thanks!
Will this is be 65 inch only or do we see a 55 inch also being released soon? biggrin.gif

Vikram

Well...thats hard to say. The 2013 model sizing is just completely goofy. Why you would make the high end 1080p set only available in a 55" version, and then create larger lower end sets, is a mystery to me. Maybe they did marketing research and figured they would only release sizes that sell the most at certain price points? Who knows. To answer your question, there is no for sure answer. My personal guess is no, the w850 will remain only available in a 65" version, while the w900 will stay at the 55" size (in the US).
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Been reading this thread as I've been thinking of replacing my Sammy 60F7100 which has panel quality issues with a sony 55w904a.

I think the reason why the top of the lines only come at 55" max could be a matter of cost and panel quality.

For companies that care about giving their customers the best quality panels, the cost of a 60 incher could be too high due to low yields, to be feasible.
Edited by congster - 10/5/13 at 4:55pm
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I just visited the Sony Center today (in India) and they say the W850A would be available in 55inch size and would arrive in 2 weeks and will include the Triluminous Display smile.gif. The W800A would be discontinued post that in India atleast...

Regards,
Vikram
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Guys, i apologize in advance if this has been asked before. I've been trying to go through this thread but haven't seen a straight forward answer yet.
I've narrowed my tv purchase between this one and the 802a for 500 less.

What are the other differences besides 240 vs 120? Are there any other differences? Tv will be used for gaming, mostly watching sports and some blurays/netflix.
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Originally Posted by Keirik View Post

Guys, i apologize in advance if this has been asked before. I've been trying to go through this thread but haven't seen a straight forward answer yet.
I've narrowed my tv purchase between this one and the 802a for 500 less.

What are the other differences besides 240 vs 120? Are there any other differences? Tv will be used for gaming, mostly watching sports and some blurays/netflix.

The most important differences are that the W900A has Local Dimming, Deep Black panel and Triluminos. For me, the W900A was worth the difference in price.
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"Display speed preference"

Just bought this tv two days ago and im happy with it so far. But i cant seem to change "Display speed preference" in order to get that low input lag for gaming. I have tried to select the gaming scene and many other settings but its still grayed out.
How do you enable that feature "Display speed preference" ? That`s how you get the low 20ms input lag right and its exactly why bought this tv but it just wont work for me.
Do i have to turn off any settings ?
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Originally Posted by jason22 View Post

"Display speed preference"

Just bought this tv two days ago and im happy with it so far. But i cant seem to change "Display speed preference" in order to get that low input lag for gaming. I have tried to select the gaming scene and many other settings but its still grayed out.
How do you enable that feature "Display speed preference" ? That`s how you get the low 20ms input lag right and its exactly why bought this tv but it just wont work for me.
Do i have to turn off any settings ?

When you change the scene select to "Game" or "Graphics" this feature is automatically turned on. Play with what ever settings you want in these modes as you will be in the 20ms range with any settings on or off.
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

When you change the scene select to "Game" or "Graphics" this feature is automatically turned on. Play with what ever settings you want in these modes as you will be in the 20ms range with any settings on or off.
Thanks. So its ON even though its grayed out and says "OFF". What was Sony thinking here ? Dont think i have noticed any better response yet but hopefully i will with time.
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Th
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Originally Posted by jason22 View Post

Thanks. So its ON even though its grayed out and says "OFF". What was Sony thinking here ? Dont think i have noticed any better response yet but hopefully i will with time.
They were thinking: "No way you gonna turn this feature off buddy !" wink.gif
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Originally Posted by turnbowm View Post

The most important differences are that the W900A has Local Dimming, Deep Black panel and Triluminos. For me, the W900A was worth the difference in price.

There are numerous references to deep black panel on the web. You can do an image search to several non-English websites. Sony is playing hide the ball w/respect to the TVs that don't have it, the W802 and W850. Basically the latter two will be poor performers in a lighted room, ie daylight, windows etc. CNET downgraded the 802A for this and said the W900 was much less reflective. Presumably the same (poor lighted room performer( will be true of the W850. In a dark room the W900A and W850 will likely perform similarly. Some people may perceive better motion artifact handling (240 vs 120 hz) with the W900A. Curiously, the W900A is the only Sony TV in the 2013 lineup w/a true 240hz panel including the 4K sets.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01
post #1543 of 4283
Hate all the confusion Sony is creating+ the fact that there are no REAL reviews......

I have about 30 days left to return my Samsung Pn60F8500 (Plasma)..
While the picture is amazing and i am taking good care of my plasma.... in the back of my head i keep thinking videogames get me to to mess up this beautiful panel lol

Really got my eye on that W850 65"
if the tv was not going to be in my living room. i would have went for the W900A in a heart beat..
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Just got an update to PKG3.802EUA, any info on this ?
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My KDL-42W651a got this update too (PKG3.802EUA) but I couldn't find any differences 

What is your model?

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Does anybody know how you use the NFC features in the secondary remote?
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Originally Posted by nickpapas7 View Post

My KDL-42W651a got this update too (PKG3.802EUA) but I couldn't find any differences 
What is your model?
KDL-55W905a (European)
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I'm downloading the update to my W9 now, they aways make me a little nervous.
Edit: got the update-have no idea what it did. There's nothing mentioned on Sonys site.
I could be totally crazy but there might be a bit more contrast now to the PQ but that might be me imagining things.
Edited by helvetica bold - 10/7/13 at 4:49pm
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I recently read a review of the KDL-55W900A which indicated that the LCD panel uses PSA (Polymer Sustained Alignment) technology and is supplied by Samsung. The panel does seem to have the off-angle performance of an IPS with the better contrast and deeper blacks of the PVA panels. Also, the screen seems to be made out of glass. One thing for sure, it's GLOSSY! Reportedly, the W900A is less reflective than the W802A, but the Sony website doesn't mention any anti-reflection treatment.
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I tried it with my HTC One and it did not work.

Did anyone successfully use NFC with their phone or tablet?
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Originally Posted by turnbowm View Post

I recently read a review of the KDL-55W900A which indicated that the LCD panel uses PSA (Polymer Sustained Alignment) technology and is supplied by Samsung. The panel does seem to have the off-angle performance of an IPS with the better contrast and deeper blacks of the PVA panels. Also, the screen seems to be made out of glass. One thing for sure, it's GLOSSY! Reportedly, the W900A is less reflective than the W802A, but the Sony website doesn't mention any anti-reflection treatment.

What review stated the W900A used the specific Samsung panel you described? Would you mind providing a link to it?

While the W900A has a glossy panel, the underlying anti-reflective technology vitiates/offsets much of the surface glossiness, something not done on the 802/850? panels.

The statement above - " the Sony website doesn't mention any anti-reflection treatment" is technically correct, but in actuality, by listing the W900A as having a deep black panel, it is saying much the same thing. Sony removed the definition of what a deep black panel is from the W900A and from most U.S. websites. The omission seems deliberate and has the effect of making Sony's panel technology opaque in its current product line. Amazon.com doesn't mention deep black panel or lack thereof as a feature. That makes sense as Sony has split from Samsung, the latter having (it has been suggested) exploited knowledge gained from fabrication of Sony components for its own benefit. Sound familiar? Except Sony, unlike Apple, elected to simply split rather than declare nuclear (patent) war. The W900A may have been the last of the Samsung panels?
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How can one find out what changes were made in a software update? My guess is Sony doesn't won't tell you. Probably more junk apps.
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Originally Posted by rnbarg View Post

What review stated the W900A used the specific Samsung panel you described? Would you mind providing a link to it?

While the W900A has a glossy panel, the underlying anti-reflective technology vitiates/offsets much of the surface glossiness, something not done on the 802/850? panels.

The statement above - " the Sony website doesn't mention any anti-reflection treatment" is technically correct, but in actuality, by listing the W900A as having a deep black panel, it is saying much the same thing. Sony removed the definition of what a deep black panel is from the W900A and from most U.S. websites. The omission seems deliberate and has the effect of making Sony's panel technology opaque in its current product line. Amazon.com doesn't mention deep black panel or lack thereof as a feature. That makes sense as Sony has split from Samsung, the latter having (it has been suggested) exploited knowledge gained from fabrication of Sony components for its own benefit. Sound familiar? Except Sony, unlike Apple, elected to simply split rather than declare nuclear (patent) war. The W900A may have been the last of the Samsung panels?

The statement "Unlike the HX853 series, the W9 doesn't have an S-PVA panel. Instead, it uses a PSA panel made by Samsung." is as shown in the 2D Image Quality section of the link below...

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/sony-kdl-55w900a-p15221/test.html

As for Sony severing their relationship with Samsung, that was true for their joint SLCD panel manufacturing facility, but that was a cost-cutting measure to stem the flow of red ink. Not sure that eliminated Samsung as a panel supplier...
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Originally Posted by turnbowm View Post

The statement "Unlike the HX853 series, the W9 doesn't have an S-PVA panel. Instead, it uses a PSA panel made by Samsung." is as shown in the 2D Image Quality section of the link below...

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/sony-kdl-55w900a-p15221/test.html

As for Sony severing their relationship with Samsung, that was true for their joint SLCD panel manufacturing facility, but that was a cost-cutting measure to stem the flow of red ink. Not sure that eliminated Samsung as a panel supplier...

Not exactly a superlative review!

This is now the third review I have read that says Triluminous has no effect on source material within the Rec 709 color gamut, ie. you need "mastered for 4K", From the review above:

"But the most eye-catching feature is the Triluminos display, a technology Sony began integrating in its TVs last year that provides a wider range of colours to improve tone shading and make pictures look more realistic. But in order to make any use of Triluminos, you need source material that's been optimised for it—of which there is none."

Here's another one: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1373877495#7

"One of the new imaging technologies in W9 is Triluminos, also found in Sony's X9 4K TVs. The Triluminos brand is not new, as Sony has used it before, but in 2013 it means something else. We explained a bit about Triluminos in this article. It is important to understand that Triluminos can expand the color gamut on a TV, but only if the content is encoded in the large color gamut. Right now you need one of Sony's new "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray discs that are encoded in the x.v.color gamut that enables Sony to reproduce more vivid reds, greens and blues. This also means that unless you buy or own "Mastered in 4K" you will see no benefit from the Triluminos technology. During the W9 review we had no "Mastered in 4K" discs but we will dig deeper and tell you much more about it in the upcoming Sony X9 (4K) review."

Whereas CNET's Ty Pendlebury (not a big LCD fan) stated in a review of the "Sony KDL-55W900A"

"Quantum Dots make compelling argument"

"The Sony's Triluminos system helps boost color performance, with hues that were the equal of the ST60 plasma. Of the LCDs we compared the W900A had the best colors, and the most saturated blues and skin tones in particular." "olor accuracy: The W900A had the most saturated colors of the collected LCDs -- especially blue-- and this is likely due to the work of the Triluminous crystals. The W900's color looked very close to that of the Panasonic ST60, particularly in its portrayals of Dr. Manhattan in "Watchmen." The character has brilliant blue skin and he casts a purple-blue light on others around him, and the only TVs that could convey this without resorting to banding or missing subtle variations in color were the W900A and the ST60. Given this excellent performance, perhaps there is some merit to Sony's claims of Quantum Dots' efficacy."

And on a specfic article on Triluminous before the W900A review, CNET wrote:

"How dots can help TV color

Sony claims its new backlight technology allows for a wider color gamut compared to LCD TVs using "white" LEDs, as in more potential colors. Since all modern TVs are fully capable of reproducing every color in all current HDTV content, this is a bit of marketing hyperbole. However, the benefits of this could go beyond cool, futuristic tech and WowNeeto-based marketing. When I've reviewed LED-lit projectors, I've found that the color possible from RGB LEDs looks more realistic than the same Rec. 709-calibrated colors created by color filters (DLP) or dichromatic mirrors (LCD/LCOS) as lit by UHP lamps. One TV engineer I asked about this phenomenon replied "LEDs are like painting with purer paint."

Many, including myself, have observed that even with live color turned off, the colors on the W900A are jawdropping. I plan on contacting QD Vision and seeing what they have to say.
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Originally Posted by rnbarg View Post

Not exactly a superlative review!

no reviewers knows what quantum dots and Color IQ from QDVision is.

for the fifth or tenth time
how can the colors on the W9 be so clean like any other LCD?

below is the answer and what Quantum Dots do the the old LEDs lightning.
think of Quantum Dots as a Filter that brings back the natural colors that is missing from the LEDs.

in other words..every LCD TV with white LEDs lacks natural colors.
i think all of you can see it clearly when you compare the W9 to any other LCD

Better lighting with quantum dots. A brilliant solution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjznErmcLnU

QD Vision Wins Gold: Component of the Year for Color IQ Optics at SID Display Week 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OaUsF1dcQ

i do like this statement alot! smile.gif
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there is no other material on earth that can be tuned as precisely as Quantum Dots
well
after seeing all those clean colors that the W9 produces for 1 month i think i have to agree.
colors tuned in to its maximum

Color IQ
http://www.qdvision.com/quantum-light-platform

Displays
http://www.qdvision.com/displays
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The color performance of OLED TVs at a price comparable to typical LCD TVs

i hope its clear after those videos and information smile.gif
or is it false information again LOL?
Edited by pg_ice - 10/7/13 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by rnbarg View Post

Below is a link to a teardown of the 46" version of a Sony W900 class panel manufactured in Europe, the Sony 905A. Note the panel manufacturer. LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01


http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://www.fullhd.gr/reviews/tv-tear/item/15708-sony-bravia-kdl-46w905a-teardown.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSony%2BBRAVIA%2BKDL-46W905A%2B%255BTeardown%255D%26biw%3D1904%26bih%3D1067

Unfortunately, that has nothing to do with the actual LCD panel. That is just the manufacturer of the back light assembly. The panel itself is hidden with no information on it, other than model number. This means that Sony is ordering pre-assembled backlight's and then installing the mystery LCD panel. If you go to coretronic's webpage you will see that they are just a backlight manufacturer as they say they are "the leader in advanced LCD, digital projector and LCD backlight technology in Taiwan and also one of the top manufacturers in the R&D of these products worldwide."
Edited by *UFO* - 10/7/13 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

I'm downloading the update to my W9 now, they aways make me a little nervous.
Edit: got the update-have no idea what it did. There's nothing mentioned on Sonys site.
I could be totally crazy but there might be a bit more contrast now to the PQ but that might be me imagining things.
Would you be so kind to give a reaction on post #1502 ? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by hhwu View Post

I tried it with my HTC One and it did not work.

Did anyone successfully use NFC with their phone or tablet?
As an Iphone owner i don't know exactly how it works but this might help you out :
http://htcsource.com/2013/09/how-to-use-nfc-with-the-htc-one/
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Originally Posted by Justifire View Post

This confused me...
You can set HDMI dynamic range for every single HDMI input seperately right ?
Got my X360 on HDMI port 1 and set the dynamic range on FULL
Other ports are on AUTO
Why should one change the dynamic range setting ? (as you said it's a pain in the **s switching everytime)
Do you refer to when you got more than 1 device on 1 hdmi port ? (let's say you send more than one devices hdmi signal through an audio-receiver to your television )
Still confused... would be great if you can make this clear for me smile.gif

Sorry I forgot, I'm using an AVR so I'm using only one HDMI port so I have to change the dynamic setting back to auto after I'm playing the 360. You are fine, it looks like you have a specific HDMI assigned for the 360.
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