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post #1681 of 4333
Now that the smoke has cleared, I was hoping to get a good and honest comparison of this W900A 55" vs the XBR55hx950 of last year.

I currently own a XBR950 55" and am looking to get another 55" LCD for my Studio and want one of the same or better quality. I am used to this XBR950 and don't want to accidently digress. At the same time, would love to get the W900A if it was better. What exactly are their differences besides what is listed in each of their features ? My XBR950 is full array backlit, which I like the idea of. I notice this new W900A is Edge lit. Kinda worried bout that.

Any experience with both tv's and some solid input/comparison results would help. I read all reviews about it, honestly they don't help with a comparison of these 2 TV's.

Thanks !
post #1682 of 4333
Haven't personally seen the 950, but people who have say the black levels are clearly better than the W900. Color accuracy, pop, sharpness, are areas in which the W900 can compete much better. The general consensus is that the W900 is the best LED/LCD on the market this year, but if you expect it to match last year's 950, you'll likely be disappointed.
post #1683 of 4333
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wth718 Responded: Haven't personally seen the 950, but people who have say the black levels are clearly better than the W900. Color accuracy, pop, sharpness, are areas in which the W900 can compete much better. The general consensus is that the W900 is the best LED/LCD on the market this year, but if you expect it to match last year's 950, you'll likely be disappointed.

Thanks so much wth718 for this greatly informative and honest info. I'm combing the net for another XBR950 now - lol. Honestly, I'd go with the newer 4k tvs, but I totally don't trust them yet. Plus, when will there be real 4k filmed content ? And real 4k media ? (real in the sense of not upscaled to 4k). So I am really torn on the new stuff. Hence, want another XBR950.

Anyway, thanks again -
post #1684 of 4333
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Now that the smoke has cleared, I was hoping to get a good and honest comparison of this W900A 55" vs the XBR55hx950 of last year.

I currently own a XBR950 55" and am looking to get another 55" LCD for my Studio and want one of the same or better quality. I am used to this XBR950 and don't want to accidently digress. At the same time, would love to get the W900A if it was better. What exactly are their differences besides what is listed in each of their features ? My XBR950 is full array backlit, which I like the idea of. I notice this new W900A is Edge lit. Kinda worried bout that.

Any experience with both tv's and some solid input/comparison results would help. I read all reviews about it, honestly they don't help with a comparison of these 2 TV's.

Thanks !

 

All I can say is that when I saw a 2012 XBR-65HX950 earlier this year (it was on sale for $3000), I thought I had never seen such a beautiful display on an LCD before in my life.  I never saw the 55.

post #1685 of 4333
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Originally Posted by *UFO* View Post

Unfortunately thats just the difference between plasma and LCD. You trade black level for a brighter picture.

Now that depends on what brand plasma you have. But for the most part you are correct.
post #1686 of 4333
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Originally Posted by JoelxD View Post

Now that the smoke has cleared, I was hoping to get a good and honest comparison of this W900A 55" vs the XBR55hx950 of last year.

I currently own a XBR950 55" and am looking to get another 55" LCD for my Studio and want one of the same or better quality. I am used to this XBR950 and don't want to accidently digress. At the same time, would love to get the W900A if it was better. What exactly are their differences besides what is listed in each of their features ? My XBR950 is full array backlit, which I like the idea of. I notice this new W900A is Edge lit. Kinda worried bout that.

Any experience with both tv's and some solid input/comparison results would help. I read all reviews about it, honestly they don't help with a comparison of these 2 TV's.

Thanks !

You should also consider the following:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-xbr-55hx950/4505-6482_7-35431205-2.html

"One reason the Elite is a better performer overall then either Sony, however, is because it shows significantly less blooming. That artifact, in which what should be "inky" blackness gets brightened by adjacent lighter areas because the backlight zones aren't small or numerous enough, was more noticeable on the HX950 than on either the HX850 or the Elite, although it wasn't as obvious as on the Vizio. One big reason, we're guessing, is because the Sony is so black to begin with, but regardless, it's still one of the HX950's most visible picture quality issues. And yes, the HX929 and HX950 again looked basically the same in this area, despite the differences (if any) in the number of backlight zones between the two"

Other considerations include the extreme glossiness of gorilla glass on the HX950 which is not great for daylight. It's also likely the W900, owing to Triluminous, has better color accuracy, luminosity and chrominance on all sources, not just mastered for 4K. And the W900 is much cheaper. I picked up on from Crutchfield for 1699 delivered. It was a "scratch and dent" w/a tiny scratch in the bezel.
post #1687 of 4333

So I have had this tv for a week now, and I really like it for the most part but damn is calibration a pain.  I have tweaked the picture pretty much every day since I have had it and still cannot quite find a happy zone.  Right now the picture looks wonderful for blu-rays and xbox but any HD content through directv just looks "muddy".  I just cannot seam to get a very poppy picture on over the air HD that does not kill blu-ray/xbox and vice-versa.  Ok end rant, back to tweaking :)

post #1688 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Terribleone View Post

So I have had this tv for a week now, and I really like it for the most part but damn is calibration a pain.  I have tweaked the picture pretty much every day since I have had it and still cannot quite find a happy zone.  Right now the picture looks wonderful for blu-rays and xbox but any HD content through directv just looks "muddy".  I just cannot seam to get a very poppy picture on over the air HD that does not kill blu-ray/xbox and vice-versa.  Ok end rant, back to tweaking smile.gif

Don't worry, your not alone on that. I have the same problem with directv having that just not clear enough type picture where things look kinda "grainy" or as you said "muddy". The funny thing is , this is actually my third tv within a month or so and every one of them had the same issue. I've come to realize it's obviously the directv source that causes this to happen. Most of their HD channels are like that except for maybe ESPN or CNN. I've had this tv for a week also and still been playing around with the settings. Haven't had a chance to watch a blu ray yet but I plan on doing that tonight after work. What settings are you using for blu rays ?
post #1689 of 4333
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

its getting there!
now after 4 days i think i have find the best settings for all movies
the ones that screwed up the image was "Reality Creation"
way to much sharpness and other artifacts in the picture
when i turned RC off the picture got to blury so i had to find a neutral setting in manual mode.

i also had big problems with old HD movies with more grain
they look **** with Reality Creation set to AUTO.
still grain with all noise filters set to AUTO

second misstake was to enable Adv.Contrast Enhancer
i knew it destoyed the gamma curve but i think i liked it.
it does add contrast but you can add contrast in a better way and increase the backlight instead.
when you enable ACE it cuts the whites in the midtones and makes them brighter but you loose dynamic range in the picture.
not good!

Now i have find a neutral setting for all material.
from old grainy HD movies to new clean ones.
no need to change anything now just enjoy the movies smile.gif

Also remember this tv has tight viewing angles
you should have the center of your tv in an eye position.
i think most of you have your tvs to high.
when you have the tv to high you get crushed blacks.

also remember to have some ambient light in your room for best blacklevel.

here is the new settings with correct grayscale at 6500K and a flat gamma curve around 2.3
just test them if your not happy with your settings
 
Scene: General
Picture Mode: STANDARD

BACKLIGHT: 8

CONTRAST: MAX

BRIGHTNESS: 50

COLOUR: 60

HUE: 0

COLOR TEMPERATURE: WARM 2

SHARPNESS: 50

NOISE REDUCTION: OFF

MPEG NOISE REDUCTION: OFF

DOT NOISE REDUCTION: AUTO

REALITY CREATION: MANUAL

VIDEO AREA DETECTION: OFF

RESOLUTION: 30

NOISE FILTERING: MAX

SMOOTH GRADIATION: LOW

MOTIONFLOW: CLEAR (for movies) and STANDARD (for sports and animation)

FILM MODE: AUTO

Advanced settings

BLACK CORRECTOR: LOW

ADV.CONTRAST ENHANCER: OFF! wink.gif

GAMMA: -1

LED DYNAMIC CONTROL: STANDARD

AUTO LIGHT LIMITER: OFF

CLEAR WHITE: OFF

LIVE COLOR: OFF

WHITE BALLANCE:
R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: -5
B GAIN: -1
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0

DETAIL ENHANCER: OFF

EDGE ENHANCER: OFF

SKIN NEUTRALISER: OFF

 

 

I started with these settings from pg_ice, and tweaked a couple things here or there (that I dont remember off the top of my head at work lol).  I do not have a dedicated theater room so I need to run a brighter picture than most to compensate for ambient lighting.

post #1690 of 4333
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post #1691 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Terribleone View Post


I started with these settings from pg_ice, and tweaked a couple things here or there (that I dont remember off the top of my head at work lol).  I do not have a dedicated theater room so I need to run a brighter picture than most to compensate for ambient lighting.

Yeah neither do I. The tv is in my living room so I need a brighter picture too. Those are actually the same settings that I put in from skimming through the pages. I tried Cinema 1 but for some reason tv looked too dark when set to that
post #1692 of 4333
Just curious can I set up the TV to use my ATT Uverse without having to use the boxes guide channel etc. Basically it seems you can set up the TV to use Sony's Guide IF you use a coax cable to connect your box. Well the thing is ATT Uverse uses a Cat 5 cable from the gateway to the HD-DVR.

Anyone know what I'm talking about? Basically I'm trying to use the TV selection off the Menu button, but it does nothing as it just tries to access an antenna.
post #1693 of 4333
I highly recommend watching the Pacific Rim 3D BluRay on the W9.
The 3D looks great and the colors look amazing, it's great reference quality stuff.
post #1694 of 4333
can anyone tell me what is the best setting for playing games and watching movies. I play games like COD
post #1695 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Ahzari View Post


I just got a W850 -the larger screened technologically little bro of the 900- and no clouding, thats why I actually went for sony (usually better quality control on panels), I was so sick of Samsungs screen uniformity issues; had 2 before I went Sony. From all ive read about the 900, it should be a near perfect set - if its new id swap it out for another one (clouding bugs me though, maybe it wont bother you).

I've contacted Sony directly instead of BestBuy.  I don't know which is better b/c I feel like BestBuy would definitely give you a new set where as with a manufacturer you run the risk of receiving refurbished product.

 

Anyway it's been back and forth with about 4-5 emails/phone calls and a fax, but it sounds like they will bring me a new set.  I hope they wrap this up quickly because my fall back position of just returning it to BB is only a 30 day window.

 

I'll update with what happens. They are supposed to contact me on Monday. At this point I'm more seriously considering Sony's extended warranty.

post #1696 of 4333
I am seriously considering this tv (55" model). I live in Singapore and the model here b(I think) is w904a but from what I can tell it is the same. I have a 7-8 year old plasma (Pioneer 505CMX) from which I will be upgrading. The unit is priced at about 2,600 USD here but includes a 280 USD gift card to one of the companies that owns many shopping malls here so can likely use it on groceries and other things I would normally buy. Thus bringing the price to about 2,300 USD. Things are simply more expensive here but it is one of the few tvs I have found here that is dual voltage and multi-system- important since I move around the World but am American.

Is this still a decent screen with capability to be calibrated (both self or professionally)?
I do not game (aside from some Wii games) so lag isn't something I consider. This will be for daily tv watching and blu-rays using a Pioneer Elite SC-37 and Oppo 93. Cable tv also with some HD content. It seems like I may need to pull the curtains closed during the day to help manage the reflection that others have mentioned.

I believe 4k is coming but not until a cost effective content delivery system is in place and that may take considerable time. 4k tv here (Sony) is running about 5k USD which is a little rich for my blood given limited content availability. Am I seeing this all wrong?

Anyway, there are many tvs available here but most are requiring purchase of additional 3D glasses (Sony gives 4 pair). Skype camera is tossed in for free and a slim mount upgrade for 80 USD is possible. All taxes, delivery, and install included. I will try to reel in some other freebie(s) but want to make sure I'm not buying something terrible. I looked at Samsung here and they were pricing about 3,000 USD and otherwise I know little other than the electronics shops are flooded with tvs that all have the brightness cranked a little high. smile.gif

This is real money for me, and I doubt I will buy again until 4k is well established and being delivered by cable and satellite providers (maybe the latter will not happen). I know most people reading this thread will be Sony fans but hopefully a non-biased view will chime in.
post #1697 of 4333
Aragon, simply put, the W9 arguably has the best PQ out of any LCD for 2013. The Samsung F8000 comes close with the latter having better smart TV features. Read a few reviews, CNET, HDTV.UK and they all pretty mush say the same thing. Also the colors on the W9 are stunning. I watched Pacific Rim in 3D last night and was blown away. The W9 is also very easy to calibrate, it doesn't take a lot of adjustments to get things looking good.
post #1698 of 4333
Pacific Rim was utterly fantastic. Wow. So glad you called it to everyone's attention. Very special to be sure.
post #1699 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Terribleone View Post


I started with these settings from pg_ice, and tweaked a couple things here or there (that I dont remember off the top of my head at work lol).  I do not have a dedicated theater room so I need to run a brighter picture than most to compensate for ambient lighting.

great but those are old settings
i wasnt happy with the gamma curve with those so i started all over again to find that the Cinema Scene was the best.
Cinema Scene has the flatest gamma curve of them all and thats what i use for Blu Ray movies.
with Scene General the Gamma Cuve takes a dip around IRE 90 and makes the whites washed out.

the problem is that Cinema Scene hasnt the same wide gamut as the General mode. (only slight larger than SRGB with Live color is set to High)
so for Animated movies or xvcolor movies (mastered in 4k) i use the General Mode with Live Color set to High.

another Problem is that scene General has the best blacklevel.
nothing you will notice but its there.
i have compared the two with the same backlight and if you get lets say 0.019Y with scene General with backlight at 3 you get 0.025Y with scene Cinema.
so its a trade off using Scene Cinema but it still has the most accurate picture.

here is the new settings.
the Cinema mode is as close to reference as you get on this tv.
i use Live Color at LOW
with Live Color OFF Green and red are slight undersaturated.

Live Color at LOW and you are sure to get perfect saturation for all SRGB content.

2D Blu Ray:

Scene: Cinema
Picture Mode: CINEMA 1
BACKLIGHT: 0-10 (3=120cd/m2 with MotionFlow set to Clear) ( i prefer 6-8)
CONTRAST: MAX
BRIGHTNESS: 47
COLOUR: 50
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: WARM 2
SHARPNESS: 50
NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
MPEG NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
DOT NOISE REDUCTION: AUTO
REALITY CREATION: MANUAL
VIDEO AREA DETECTION: OFF
RESOLUTION: 30
NOISE FILTERING: MAX
SMOOTH GRADIATION: LOW
MOTIONFLOW: Clear/Standard (Blu Ray 24p/Standard Digital Broadcasts)
FILM MODE: AUTO

Advanced settings

BLACK CORRECTOR: LOW
ADV.CONTRAST ENHANCER: OFF!
GAMMA: 0
LED DYNAMIC CONTROL: STANDARD
AUTO LIGHT LIMITER: OFF
CLEAR WHITE: OFF
LIVE COLOR: LOW

WHITE BALLANCE:
R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: -4
B GAIN: -1
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0

DETAIL ENHANCER: OFF
EDGE ENHANCER: OFF
SKIN NEUTRALISER: OFF


2D settings for animated movies= (tested with Monsters University)

Scene: General
Picture Mode: Standard
BACKLIGHT: 8
CONTRAST: MAX
BRIGHTNESS: 49
COLOUR: 50
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: WARM 2
SHARPNESS: 50
NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
MPEG NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
DOT NOISE REDUCTION: AUTO
REALITY CREATION: MANUAL
VIDEO AREA DETECTION: OFF
RESOLUTION: 30
NOISE FILTERING: MAX
SMOOTH GRADIATION: LOW
MOTIONFLOW: STANDARD
FILM MODE: AUTO

Advanced settings

BLACK CORRECTOR: LOW
ADV.CONTRAST ENHANCER: OFF!
GAMMA: -1
LED DYNAMIC CONTROL: STANDARD
AUTO LIGHT LIMITER: OFF
CLEAR WHITE: OFF
LIVE COLOR: HIGH
WHITE BALLANCE:
R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: -4
B GAIN: -1
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0

DETAIL ENHANCER: OFF
EDGE ENHANCER: OFF
SKIN NEUTRALISER: OFF

3D settings: (tested with the movie EPIC in 3D)

Scene: General
Picture Mode: Standard
BACKLIGHT: MAX
CONTRAST: MAX
BRIGHTNESS: 50
COLOUR: 60
HUE: 0
COLOR TEMPERATURE: WARM 2
SHARPNESS: 50
NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
MPEG NOISE REDUCTION: OFF
DOT NOISE REDUCTION: AUTO
REALITY CREATION: MANUAL
VIDEO AREA DETECTION: OFF
RESOLUTION: 30
NOISE FILTERING: MAX
SMOOTH GRADIATION: LOW
MOTIONFLOW: Smooth
FILM MODE: AUTO

Advanced settings

BLACK CORRECTOR: LOW
ADV.CONTRAST ENHANCER: OFF!
GAMMA: -1
LED DYNAMIC CONTROL: STANDARD
AUTO LIGHT LIMITER: OFF
CLEAR WHITE: OFF
LIVE COLOR: HIGH
WHITE BALLANCE:
R GAIN: 0
G GAIN: -4
B GAIN: -1
R BIAS: 0
G BIAS: 0
B BIAS: 0

DETAIL ENHANCER: OFF
EDGE ENHANCER: OFF
SKIN NEUTRALISER: OFF

calibration report
http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb192876/w9_report111.jpg
Edited by pg_ice - 10/26/13 at 7:33pm
post #1700 of 4333
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Originally Posted by everyman2 View Post

Pacific Rim was utterly fantastic. Wow. So glad you called it to everyone's attention. Very special to be sure.

i have only watched half of that movie (in 2D) but i think the blacks are way to black.
just as it cuts out some details in the dark scenes.

otherwise the PQ with that movie is insane crisp with lots of pop in the colors. smile.gif
Edited by pg_ice - 10/26/13 at 7:34pm
post #1701 of 4333
Find it hard to judge whether the limited viewing angle should withold me from buying this set. How bad is it? Currently have a EX500/501, is the viewing angle on the W900 (905 in Europe) worse?
post #1702 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Ruud2007 View Post

Find it hard to judge whether the limited viewing angle should withold me from buying this set. How bad is it? Currently have a EX500/501, is the viewing angle on the W900 (905 in Europe) worse?

What is the viewing angle and is that left-right angle or up-down angle?

My up-down angle is about 11 degrees. Now to figure out my left-right angle for a couple of the seats on the sofa. Any tips for a good way to calculate this?
post #1703 of 4333
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Originally Posted by helvetica bold View Post

Aragon, simply put, the W9 arguably has the best PQ out of any LCD for 2013. The Samsung F8000 comes close with the latter having better smart TV features. Read a few reviews, CNET, HDTV.UK and they all pretty mush say the same thing. Also the colors on the W9 are stunning. I watched Pacific Rim in 3D last night and was blown away. The W9 is also very easy to calibrate, it doesn't take a lot of adjustments to get things looking good.

Thanks!

I pulled the trigger. Being delivered and mounted on Tuesday evening.
post #1704 of 4333
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Originally Posted by aragno View Post

What is the viewing angle and is that left-right angle or up-down angle?

My up-down angle is about 11 degrees. Now to figure out my left-right angle for a couple of the seats on the sofa. Any tips for a good way to calculate this?

My question was about the left-right viewing angle. Would this be less good than the EX500/501? The EX500 is justOK in our situation.
post #1705 of 4333
Can we expect any large price cuts to the w900 for Black Friday? Does Sony typically discount their more popular lines?
post #1706 of 4333
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Originally Posted by TheBruceleeroy View Post

Can we expect any large price cuts to the w900 for Black Friday? Does Sony typically discount their more popular lines?

I would be shocked if a high end set (especially the best LED on the market) received a price cut below 1999.  I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

post #1707 of 4333
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Originally Posted by cjpk248 View Post

I would be shocked if a high end set (especially the best LED on the market) received a price cut below 1999.  I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

Yeah thats the same feeling I am getting.
post #1708 of 4333
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Originally Posted by TheBruceleeroy View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjpk248 View Post

I would be shocked if a high end set (especially the best LED on the market) received a price cut below 1999.  I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening.

Yeah thats the same feeling I am getting.

 

Besides, with the whole UPP thing in effect, nothing moves much.  And last years BF was a dismal flop for me.  Absolutely nothing of worth was dropped in price any appreciable amount.  Nothing.  Unless you want to be one of those nutcases standing in line at BB at 3 the previous day.  Bring a tent.

post #1709 of 4333
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

i wasnt happy with the gamma curve with those so i started all over again to find that the Cinema Scene was the best.
Cinema Scene has the flatest gamma curve of them all and thats what i use for Blu Ray movies.

Oh, indeed? Optimal gamma curve in "Cinema"?

Remember what you threw at the know-nothing I am, some weeks ago?
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Originally Posted by pg_ice View Post

i have done measurements with the same settings in both GENERAL/STANDARD and CINEMA modes

the only thing that the Cinema mode changes is the gamma curve
and it changes it to the worse
[...]
Use STANDARD mode to get the best gamma curve from this tv

Six weeks ago, "best gamma" was in "Standard". Today, "best Gamma" is in "Cinema".

Let's wait another six weeks. smile.gif
post #1710 of 4333
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Originally Posted by Didee View Post

Oh, indeed? Optimal gamma curve in "Cinema"?

Remember what you threw at the know-nothing I am, some weeks ago?
Six weeks ago, "best gamma" was in "Standard". Today, "best Gamma" is in "Cinema".

Let's wait another six weeks. smile.gif

Haha everyone learns.
This tv changes its performance with APL patterns thats why
I didnt use them at that time just the windowed patterns from avshd709
So simple as that
You will have a complete different result calibrating with APL patterns than the usual
Windowed patterns.
This tv is smart(maybe to smart) and dims the backlight with windowed patterns.
With APL patterns i think you will have a result closer to what you will see with regular
Viewing.

The gamma curve from scene cinema is the most stable and
Doesnt change much depending on whats on the screen.

Buy a colormeter and you will see it for yourself.
How hard can it be ?

Solution 2 is to change LED Dynamic Control to OFF or LOW
When calibrating.
But i dont whant to change settings just to suite the calibration patterns.
Thats wrong.
I use LED dynamic Control set to Normal because it gives the best
Blacks.
So therefore the APL patterns is the way to go when calibrating.
Edited by pg_ice - 10/28/13 at 6:34am
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